there is an archealogical coverup going on throughout the whole world.

frankly i'm sick and tired of it. i am ready for the veil to be removed from our faces.

one can only hope that on december 21st, 2012 is when the veil will be lifted.

I know there is, but this stuff about New Zealand is interesting i think, cuz you can see the govt has a process it uses 'for sensitive sites' called an 'embargo'... how often are they using these things?

How much of our true history has been obliterated and destroyed?

How ironic that they're called the "department of conservation" when they're DESTROYING ancient skeletons and irreplaceable parts of the archaeological record, of importance to all humans.

However confronting the truth is, we have to face it and not hide it. For example, if 7 ft plus skeletons have been found all over the world -like in north america, where the indigenous americans have legends of them defeating tribes of red haired giants (tons of skeletons and mummies have been found over the years, then given to the smithsonian, who has since, 'lost' them/or they have conveniently 'disappeared'). If giants existed, big deal. I want to know. i think its cool. i dont want archaeologists dumping bones in the ocean cuz they can't face up to the truth. (story this allegedly occurred: Childress's book: Lost cities of north and central america: from amazon.com. ) There is a story in his book about a girl who worked at smithsonian and was fired becuz she wouldn't participate in the 'cover up'. Of course, im sure MOST archaeologists are totally ignorant of any of this, even if they do work for the smithsonian. its probably select groups or teams who do this sort of work, like the above quote says.

I don't think any of us would appreciate someone digging up our deceased ancestors in the name of "science", no matter how interesting those ancestors might be. Why should the Maori be any different? It's just a desecration to dig up their ancestors.

I'm not seeing any serious conspiracy here, other than a belated sensitivity to the customs and sensibilities of the Maori. If they revere their dead, who are we to dig them up?

As for the unusual sizes of these alleged bones - easy to say, when there's nothing to prove it wrong. You can say they had three heads and tentacles, or anything else you want. But, is it true? Or is it just an embellishment to a story of not allowing people to dig up other people's ancestors?

It's very difficult to say what really existed before the Maori people arrived in NZ around 1,000 years ago. While living in that beautiful country some time back I heard and read that the Maori ATE the previous inhabitants. So there you go, anything prior to then would be an interesting find to be sure. I too find annoyance at the covering up of important finds relating to the genesis and nature of humanity.

Originally posted by chiron613
I don't think any of us would appreciate someone digging up our deceased ancestors in the name of "science", no matter how interesting those ancestors might be. Why should the Maori be any different? It's just a desecration to dig up their ancestors.

I'm not seeing any serious conspiracy here, other than a belated sensitivity to the customs and sensibilities of the Maori. If they revere their dead, who are we to dig them up?

As for the unusual sizes of these alleged bones - easy to say, when there's nothing to prove it wrong. You can say they had three heads and tentacles, or anything else you want. But, is it true? Or is it just an embellishment to a story of not allowing people to dig up other people's ancestors?

If you had read the quote to the end, you would have seen that the Maoris do NOT consider this race to be their ancestors at all. This race was in NZ before the maoris arrived. You would also have noticed that the Maori's were apparantly at one point consulted about the digging up of the caucasian skeletons, and said they didn't CARE what happened to them, since they WERENT THEIR ANCESTORS AT ALL. If you follow the link theres photos of the skeletons and coffins as well. theres also pictures of red haired caucasian mummies in nz in anothe rlink i posted.



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Originally posted by Tayesin
It's very difficult to say what really existed before the Maori people arrived in NZ around 1,000 years ago. While living in that beautiful country some time back I heard and read that the Maori ATE the previous inhabitants. So there you go, anything prior to then would be an interesting find to be sure. I too find annoyance at the covering up of important finds relating to the genesis and nature of humanity.

Well if there's skeletons and dwellings and oral history, then its not difficult to say who was there early on, its very easy to say. If people care enough to stop their governments from destroying the evidence and covering it up. The above article i linked to also says that the maoris did kill off and eat/ enslave the previous inhabitants, or many of them.

Originally posted by rapunzel222
In 1988, archaeologist, Michael Taylor slapped an embargo on any release of information concerning the ancient, stacked stone structures in the Waipoua Forest, but that embargo was partially broken by a private citizen’s legal challenge after 8-years.


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I requested and recieved the initial Archaeological survey of the area from the Northland DOC constituency. They also gave me the contact details of Michael Taylor for further information but I have yet to hear back from him.
The report mention 'stone structures,' 'stone walls' etc but is remarkably devoid of any in depth information about them.


I hope to hear from him soon.

Yes, the Aboriginals of NZ and Australia have oral tradition that states that there was another race there, and that they supplanted them. They also say that these people were lighter skinned.

That may not mean Caucasian. Lighter skinned than an Aboriginal without any mixed Ancestry would be just about anybody but Africans and Negritos - and some of them are still lighter in complexion.

And it wasn't a thousand years ago. The last dating of that I saw of evidence shows that they have been in the area for about 40,000 years. Which would also seem to be supported by oral tradition.

Further, some of their haplogroups split about 60,000 years ago.

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Originally posted by Aeons


And it wasn't a thousand years ago. The last dating of that I saw of evidence shows that they have been in the area for about 40,000 years. Which would also seem to be supported by oral tradition.

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Do you have a link for this,or some supporting evidence as this is the first I've heard of this, as well as there being no record of it in the geological record (vegetation changes/specific plants etc).

There does seem to be an ongoing issue with DNA testing for ancient remains in places that are "out of place" and Caucasoid (not caucasian note) or merely "out of place" in general but political inconvenient.

There is political pressure to not test or publish. That's pretty apparent. No one can see what is happening in Eygpt and deny that.

How long did China try to cover up the remains of obvious Europeans with settlements in the heart of China? Only until it became apparent that in doing so they would be making it seem as if China was a "backwater" of history and not some thriving trade empire.....only when covering it up started to impact the new dynasty's ego.

I wish I understood what the problem is. Because I want to believe that there are no cover ups and no political wrangling about human history that is causing places to be bulldozed or ignored. But I can't deny it, because I've seen this process in action myself and been utterly astounded by it.

Something so incomprehensible is either abject stupidity or some conspiracy. I'm torn as to which it might be, so I'm open to the idea of it being conspiratorial in nature.

Originally posted by Aeons


There is political pressure to not test or publish.

I have neither experienced this nor know of people who have experienced this, regarding New Zealand/Aotearoa prehistory.

I'm not denying that there could well be something going on and that there appear to be curious occurences, but to be honest, the majority of it seems to be hearsay dressed up as fact....often by people who seem tohave another agenda, usually regarding the Treaty of Waitangi and some sort of 'Pakeha greivance'.

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Hard to have facts when no one is allowed to go look or things are bulldozed, now isn't it?

It is simple to insist that those without fact are wearing the tinfoil, when in fact that side simply wants facts and can't get at them.

im afraid i dont think its stupidity. I also don't think its really a white people/racism problem. (theres plenty of evidence the chinese traded with mexico (olmecs) in ancient times and were plenty advanced, so they shud have enough self esteem from that, and from inventing just about everything too)... the indigenous nth americans were also advanced as anyone else, with canal infrastructure, irrigation, agriculture, pueblo buildings, pyramids etc. It cant be that. I think, there's another component to all this, that governments believe HAS to be covered up. And im afraid i think it has something to do wiht eric von daniken's theories; and also wiht the worldwide practice of skull binding, and the skeletons with extremely elongated skulls that have been found all over the world (malta, egypt (nefertit, akhenaton - a living god), nazca, paracas, lapita people (batuku the skull) in the pacific islands, in russia as well etc). and also with the giant sized skeletons appearing on youtube, that are said to be hoaxes.. perhaps...

Originally posted by Aeons
Hard to have facts when no one is allowed to go look or things are bulldozed, now isn't it?

It is simple to insist that those without fact are wearing the tinfoil, when in fact that side simply wants facts and can't get at them.

I know, and work with, some pretty major researchers (arguably THE major researchers) in New Zealand prehistory (mostly geology - including Quaternary studies) but also Biological investigations, Archaeology and Radiocarbon dating (as well as being involved in the collection and processing of samples) and have never ever heard or seen anything about having their research obstructed/denied access and we have very in-depth discussions about all manner of things including much of what has been mentioned here.

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Originally posted by Aeons
There does seem to be an ongoing issue with DNA testing for ancient remains in places that are "out of place" and Caucasoid (not caucasian note) or merely "out of place" in general but political inconvenient.

There is political pressure to not test or publish. That's pretty apparent. No one can see what is happening in Eygpt and deny that.

How long did China try to cover up the remains of obvious Europeans with settlements in the heart of China? Only until it became apparent that in doing so they would be making it seem as if China was a "backwater" of history and not some thriving trade empire.....only when covering it up started to impact the new dynasty's ego.

I wish I understood what the problem is. Because I want to believe that there are no cover ups and no political wrangling about human history that is causing places to be bulldozed or ignored. But I can't deny it, because I've seen this process in action myself and been utterly astounded by it.

Something so incomprehensible is either abject stupidity or some conspiracy. I'm torn as to which it might be, so I'm open to the idea of it being conspiratorial in nature.

can you elaborate on what you saw when you saw the process in action yourself? Id be really interested to know. Particularly as im studying to be an archaeologist at the moment.. altho i already have a different profession (thinking of changing careers, altho when i read stuff like this, i think, whats the point. if no one is actually interested in the truth, and the truth is impossible to get at.). From all the stuff ive read, i SENSE theres something going on, ,,, perhaps its just they dont think people could 'handle the truth'? or is it more sinister than that?