Originally posted by rapunzel222
It isnt unheard of for qualified scientists to lie either. I know one who works at a uni in medical research and has told me she would consider faking her results to advance her career, and that she knows many others who feel the same way. I also just read about the head of department of a hospital overseas who faked the results of about 20 studies re drugs like vioxx which later killed people (and there was a huge lawsuit about). No doubt he did it at a drug companies bequest for money and his career advancement.
Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by rapunzel222
You misunderstood me. I don't jump to conclusions about the intelligence of people I don't know. I didn't imply anything about your brains. The point about you distrusting science is because it's a theme that runs through your posts like steel railway tracks.
I was jokingly imagining you sitting in a lecture with one eye squinting at the lecturer and thinking, "Oh yeah? That's what YOU say!" Sullen malcontent wasn't really the picture I was trying to paint
I hope you carry on doing well in your studies. Believe it or not, I've probably read most of the stuff you read and had very similar ideas. I do disagree with some of your views, but understand them. If I have a go at these NZ 'pale-skinned' people...it's not you...it's the evidence. Don't take offense and don't scowl...if the wind changes you'll stay like that
Originally posted by Essan
We seem to have gone ff track.
Does anyone have any valid reason why evidence for the presence of humans in New Zealand before the Maoris would be supressed by archaeologists?
Of course, embarassing for the maoris if humans were co-existing with the mega fauna on New Zealand for thousands of years, and only when they arrived did they suddenly became all extinct .... Oops ....
A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE
The Turehu, who were a people of fair colour and superhuman qualities, were also referred to as Patupaiarehe and locally as 'Urukehu' or the 'light haired ones'. Their occupation of the area is remembered in the traditional name 'Ngaurukehu' which was applied to an ancient settlement near Mangatangi. Hinemairangi, a Turehu ancestress of Ngaitai, was said to have occupied the Hunua area with her people. Her elopement with Tamareia, a Turehu chieftain of Waitakere, caused the first
major outbreak of fighting in the Tamaki area and was linked in tradition with the origin of much of Auckland's volcanic landscape. (Taua in La Roche 1991:41).
These creatures are mischievous, mythical, human-like beings, with fair skin and hair who lived deep in the forest, coming out only at night (Biggs, 1988). This theory is supported firstly by the idea that white people, like the paakehakeha, came from the sea, and secondly because the word ‘paakehakeha’ contains a reduplication of the Maori word ‘keha’ meaning ‘pale’ (Biggs, 1988)
The ‘pakepakeha’ are also linked to ‘patupaiarehe’ by their fair skin and hair. The ‘patupaiarehe’ had fair skin and beautiful voices, and gave people the secret of fishing with nets. These creatures possess canoes made of reeds, which can change magically into sailing vessels. The ‘patupaiarehe’ can also be linked to Nahe’s version of Pakeha as an abbreviation of ‘paakehakeha’, gods of the ocean who had the forms of fish and man (Biggs, 1988).
The Patu-paiarehe were only seen early in the morning, and are represented as being white, and clothed in white garments of the same form and texture of their own; in fact, they may be called the children of the mist. They are supposed to be of large size, and may be regarded as giants, although in some respects they resemble our fairies.
Dating initial Maori environmental impact in New Zealand
We conclude the first evidence of Maori environmental impact dates to 1200–1400 AD (750–550 calendar years BP). Finer age resolution is limited by the uncertainty associated with identifying the first signs of human impact and variability of the 14C calibration curve.
NEW ZEALAND'S PRE-HUMAN AVIFAUNA AND ITS VULNERABILITY
Summary: In the past 1000 years New Zealand has experienced a major 'extinction event', losing 40-50% of the avifauna, at least 50% of the frog fauna, and unknown proportions of the lizard and invertebrate faunas. During this period, bird species became extinct at different times and rates depending on the particular aspects of their ecology and life history which made them vulnerable to habitat loss, hunting, predation, and competition for food resources. Three groups of species with different levels of vulnerability are recognised within this event: Group I, 1000-1200 AD - species susceptible to initial impact of hunting by Polynesians and dogs, and predation and competition for food after an explosive irruption of kiore (Rattus exulans); Group II, 1200-1780 AD - species more resilient but gradually reduced by Polynesian hunting and continuous clearance and fragmentation of habitat; Group III, 1780-present - species susceptible to hunting with European weapons and predation by Rattus norvegicus, R. rattus, mustelids, cats, and to competition by mammalian herbivores, and destruction of wet forest and wetland habitat.
Tephras and New Zealand Archaeology
1300–1390, is the critical “settlement layer” datum for dating prehistory in the North Island: no human artefacts are recorded beneath it and the earliest inferred environmental impacts by humans are dated to c. Image 1280, just prior to its deposition. This maximum date matches the earliest radiocarbon dates derived for both settlement and human impacts from archaeological and natural sites (c. Image 1250), and implies that the onset of deforestation was essentially contemporaneous with initial settlement.
Doutre also maintains a friendship with Kerry Bolton, who is perhaps New Zealand’s best-known neo-Nazi. Bolton joined the fascist Nationalist Workers Party in 1977, and has been active in extreme right-wing politics ever since. In 1980 he founded the Church of Odin, a group which blended far right politics with bastardised versions of the pre-Christian Norse and Celtic religions. Jews were forbidden to join the church. More recently Bolton has been involved with the Nationalist Alliance, a coalition of neo-Nazis created to contest this year’s elections. Members of the Nationalist Alliance have convictions for assaulting Somali New Zealanders and firebombing a marae.
Originally posted by Aeons
You don't need metal to make really good boats and ships.
Originally posted by Kandinsky
The essence of the claims are hinged on how much we can rely on the evidence of the OP links. We already know that the author has a lot invested in having his claims accepted. In fact, the obvious and demonstrable conspiracy at play here is Doutre's attempt to place a white indigenous population on NZ before 1000AD.
Originally posted by daggyz
I found an old adze, older than any maori habitation in Otago. being 'of the land' enables me to find things others couldn't.
Originally posted by zealman
Do you live in New Zealand?