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....do you think it is possible that some Wahi Tapu are there because of earlier inhabitants and that some Kaitiaki are in possession of knowledge that will never surface beyond the appropriate levels? ....much like the mysteries of Catholicism perhaps?
(Taine Rory Mhor ) Taine Ruaridh Mhor (the big cattle farmer) was delivered by three seagoing longships (birlinns?) to NZ in the 12th Century, with 95 of his family and kinfolk and followers. And sons Rory and Ruaridh. It was deliberate but not by choice. Banishment was not an uncommon feature of the times and in this case the term was for seven generations after he had been incacerated in a dungeon for three years already by his friend King Alexander I of Scotland (reigned 1107-1124AD).
It's not just a piece of fanciful pseudo history, but part of white-supremacist propaganda effort; some NZ nazi group spent some effort a few months ago trying to get their drivel into wikipedia, and turned nasty when they failed. I expect this is a piece of their material that slipped under our radar.
This site is now difficult to reach by sea and little known. The original boat access is much changed and boat access is best achieved from an adjacent bay. It is also in the vicinity of a town, possibly of underground Scara-brae style dwellings, ancient Scottish/Celtic graves and sites of genocide and other atrocities.
The people removed by murder, rapine and desolation of the worst kind? Dubious land claims recognised by the Waitangi Tribunal have not addressed the situation that will arise when descendants of the early Scottish settlers make their legitimate claims as the original indigenous population. Their documented history of possession starting in the 11th Century when the land had NO other inhabitants will be revealed! Similar claims could no doubt be made against Maori by descendants of Waitaha, Moriori, by Portuguese settlers, even by the Patu-paiarehe or Turehu if any still remain alive. (And strangely enough it seems there may have been reasonably recent sightings of these folk.). How far back do we go do we go to make restitutions? Is the Waitangi tribunal acting out of fairness or has it become rampant revenge on the part of some Maori? Or a means to entrench a Maori aristocracy to overlord it's graft and corruption into a society already labouring under other inequities?
Originally posted by Logarock
reply to post by Kandinsky
Well whatever the origin it may simply be a case of bing driven out of wherever they were from. It would be shameful not to give this fair consideration becouse of current racial politics.
Originally posted by win 52
I have no info one way or the other about this. It is interesting to hear about cover up's, worldwide, and the fact people are taking notice.
Other than this is in-part steps on the stairway to full disclosure. When we learn about our past, we will find the path way into the future.