NZ govt has a hard time covering up the PM speeding to a meeting much less archaeological scandals. The country is just too small.. you get what 20-30 people involved in this 'cover up' and it would last a week and the whole country would know about it. Kiwis are extremely open and love to chatter. IMO something this big simply couldn't maintain a cover up here.

well i thought that the hidden graves were because of the mutilation and canibalism carried out by the white settlers and explorers when they arrived. That's what it always is in australia anyway.

Adding a little bit more...

Just throwing in some more korero in regards to why things may be 'covered up'.

That word *cover up* immediately sets off alarms bells doesn't it...certainly we as humans are inquisitive by nature, and as soon as someone has a secret we just wanna know! Indeed thats pretty much the core reason of this very site...

...however, while the saying 'Knowledge is Power' is indeed true in many ways, sometimes 'Knowledge is Dangerous'.

Give you an example:
I was raised being taught numerous things about my culture, descend from a long line of Rangatira, Ariki, Tohunga, Matakite. People will what could be termed Esoteric Knowledges of my culture.

I say that not to be, as we say *whakahihi* or *boastful - rather to highlight that in some cultures some knowledges are kept within certain groups.

Now - on some levels that may seem wrong - why would any group restrict knowledge? Does that not create a power imbalance? Would that therefore not in some ways previllage those within that 'knowledge circle' above those outside of it?

Sure - I can see how keeping a set of knowledges restricted to a selected few can seem like something underhanded - but sometimes there is reason for that.

Sometimes knowledges come with their own knowledges. Sometimes knowledge isn't just about learning something - but about LIVING it. Sometimes knowledge isn't about knowing something on paper, but also KNOWING it right at the very core of your being.
Sometimes knowledge can be dangerous if the person only has a small part of the wider knowledge.

For instance - I was taught from a young age about Rongoa/Natural Medicenes of our culture.
Where to find specific Rongoa, how to harvest, prepare, store, administer it etc.
While indeed the usage of Rongoa can promote healing...and does when utilised correctly...it does - despite being 'all natural' - have its risks also.
The last thing you really need is someone with half a clue about Rongoa going out and *administering* it to all and sundry.
You HAVE to know how Rongoa interacts with many other things, you HAVE to know the EXACT processes of preparation or combinations of different Rongoa...you HAVE to have full training and knowledge (and I'm gonna throw it out there, both learned and INNATE) of it...

...effective usage of Rongoa isn't something you learn from a book.
It isn't something you learn from a few night classes.
Its something you learn throughout your life - and, I believe, it is something that has an element you are BORN with.
That element is the Wairua/Spiritual side of Rongoa...and that element comes via Whakapapa/Ancestry rather than something that can be taught.

All elements work in unison. Without an element there is risk. And so, with certain Rongoa they are not *taught* to everybody and anybody...only those who 'fit the requirements'.



So too are our Wahi Tapu/Sacred Sites.
People can poo-poo this all they want...good on 'em...but its something I do believe and have experienced, as has been my upbringing and whakapapa.
I do believe there are areas that are essentially Restricted Areas...and restricted NOT for any sense of 'Haha, I'm better than you coz I know where they are' kinda thing...but restricted for safety.
Some Wahi Tapu are like that.
Some Wahi Tapu are restricted due to the importance of that place for the particular Iwi/Tribe or Hapu/Subtribe that may be the Kaitiaki/Gaurdian of that area.
As such its their (that Iwi/Hapu) role to KEEP it secret...to keep it restricted and protected...lest everyone knows and starts wandering all around it and breaching the Tapu/sacredness of that place.

And example of that you may want to check out is in the Central North Island, around Atiamuri.
There were indeed some very old Wahi Tapu there which the local Hapu were kaitaiki of for centuries...kept secret, kept hidden. Within those Wahi Tapu were many taonga/treasures...which weren't removed from those areas, they were left there as they were deemed either 1)too tapu/sacred to remove, and 1) contributed to the Mauri/Life-force of that area.

What happened some years ago was that the secret got out...after all those centuries.
Someone shot their mouth off, people started going into those places and desecrating those sites, removing taonga from those sites, damaging the rock structures there as many people were going in there for a look around at this special place and what was there...

...end result...the Mauri/lifeforce of that Wahi Tapu was smashed, the Mana/prestige of that Hapu charged with being Kaitiaki/gaurdian of it was also smashed...basically it was a time of great shame for them, and a time of basically people with no real concept of how special some of those taonga were coming in and theiving off with them to sell as trinkets or put around their house like some ornament.


Again - people may poo-poo this...but places, object, they have Mauri/lifeforce. They have Wairua/Spirit...and sometimes a *cover up* isn't about any suppression of the people, its about ensuring the protection of that Mauri and Wairua of that place or thing...




Peace.

Never really considered white nationalists planting evidence before, i'd think if they were going to do that they might get hold of a slightly older skull? 'cause 300 years is pretty borderline, but then maybe thats how they want people to think
Any way no one can be too sure if it is even european without a proper examination of the skull, but i'd be inclined to go with Dr Leach. It's unlikely, but not impossible that there were a handful of Europeans here before we thought.

Interesting read...........

I have no info one way or the other about this. It is interesting to hear about cover up's, worldwide, and the fact people are taking notice.

Other than this is in-part steps on the stairway to full disclosure. When we learn about our past, we will find the path way into the future.

Interesting times.........

Originally posted by win 52
Interesting read...........

I have no info one way or the other about this. It is interesting to hear about cover up's, worldwide, and the fact people are taking notice.

Other than this is in-part steps on the stairway to full disclosure. When we learn about our past, we will find the path way into the future.

Interesting times.........

Friend, have you read the thread? There is enough info to come to an informed opinion. If you encourage the spread of a story that claims three species of white native on NZ (pygmy, giant and 'normal'), you're acting as a cat's paw for people that don't want 'disclosure.'

In fact, they want the opposite...they want to seed the ideas that whites are superior in intelligence, technology and society to any other people. The 'red-haired' legends are usually sourced to people that can't or won't accept that S.Americans could build their own monuments or that Giza wasn't built by black guys. Those websites in this thread are coming from a very dark place and your 'path into the future' would be repatriation of non-whites...violence and bigotry. And one thing people always seem to ignore? The shoe could be on the other foot. I ******* hate racists of any color.

Tibet, Stonehenge, Giza, Macchu Pichu...four great places built by four different colored peoples. Four flavors of the Human Race.