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Originally posted by aorAki
Originally posted by Aeons
And it wasn't a thousand years ago. The last dating of that I saw of evidence shows that they have been in the area for about 40,000 years. Which would also seem to be supported by oral tradition.
[edit on 2009/8/8 by Aeons]
Do you have a link for this,or some supporting evidence as this is the first I've heard of this, as well as there being no record of it in the geological record (vegetation changes/specific plants etc).
A Geologist's Opinion
Because the issue was unlikely to settle down or be resolved to most people's satisfaction without further research, Dr Peter Wood, a geologist with a specialist knowledge of local ignimbrites employed by the Institute of Geological and Nuclear Sciences at Wairakei, was commissioned by the Department of Conservation's Tongariro Conservancy to give an independent professional opinion on the "wall". By the time Dr Wood visited the site on Monday 13 May, a much larger area of the outcrop had been exposed through an illicit excavation in front of the formation by persons unknown during the weekend. I quote from his report (Wood 1996):
In my opinion the so-called "Kaimanawa Wall" in the Kaimanawa Forest Park is a natural rock formation. It is an outcrop of jointed Rangitaiki ignimbrite, a 330,000 year old volcanic rock that is common in the Taupo Volcanic Zone.
The regular block shapes are produced by natural fractures in the rock. These fractures (joints) were initially produced when the hot ignimbrite cooled and contracted after it had flowed into place during the eruption. Near vertical and horizontal joints are common in welded ignimbrites of this type. The forces of erosion, gravity, earthquakes and tree growth (roots) probably have all contributed to the movement and displacement of the blocks over time.
The apparent regularity and "artificial" aspect of the jointing is spurious. Most of the joints are not cuboidal. The eye is deceived mainly by one prominent horizontal joint which can be traced almost continuously along the outcrop into an area (recently excavated) where it is but one of an interlocking series of irregular joints. Even where the joints are most "block-like", detailed inspection of the joint surfaces showed they were natural, with small matching irregularities in opposing surfaces which would not be produced by artificial block laying.
Well said, and I understand how complex this issue is. It goes far above and beyond what anyone is really willing to look at. To which I would like as much help as possible from other researchers to help me on my quest.
Not only is this topic very much an issue, it is ideal on this website too. What most would consider "pseudo-archaeology" currently, is also the way I got involved in realising what is going on in the world. I say "currently" because I have put together, or rather am putting together in writing too many pieces of evidence to look past and be ignored. So thank you to all the pioneers, which everyone has contributed so much. Its a troublesome process and then getting the information out is going to be equally troublesome. My theory is nothing new, I really have no new theories, All I can see differently however is how the transition from being blind to being able to see, can all be shaped together. I am also aware of many sites (archaeological and not internet) around the world, especially some which are close to home for me, which should be excavated! Yes I am claiming I know where to look to find solid proof of this ancient enigma found in our past.
I know exactly where they are and exactly how the excavation needs to be achieved. However due to other political issues (loosely used term here as it is more a capitalistic issue) such as the obvious "divide and conquer" tactics being used, and using indigenous peoples rights and with "hate speech" acts in place, it is a very difficult and controversial topic to expose.
This however is easily addressed once you look beyond the issues of racial division, which will also need to be exposed. Just as this article here is trying to suggest.
The second problem is that people will say it is going to be expensive and slow for no financial gain or profit so leave it alone. This however is using a problem (money/capitalism) to try to avoid another problem, which is a joke but never less will have to be challenged also.
The third issue is going to be censorship either, on the sites themselves which I am proposing in my book(s) or before the information becomes public.This again is going to be a problem that needs to be addressed and sorted out too before the publication can be made.
If my digs do make it to this point where the public is going to allow them.
Can we keep this archaeological site in the publics attention so any (artefacts) of a controversial matter cannot then be removed or hidden? Another problem, but not without solutions also.
Finally if my proposed sites do turn over huge amounts of transparent findings of a controversial nature how do we move on from there? I imagine everyone would become outraged at the fact that they have been so clearly manipulated for so long that chaos could ensue. However this is another issue that is not without the possibility of a solution.
I believe, simply put that all these issues can be addressed in or before the publication of my findings “supposed findings” and all changes can be made within the next few years despite the huge amounts of conflict we are going to face trying to do so.
I feel further more and past these issues, that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and it is the very real possibility of a world free from debt and war, money and corruption and also many new areas of science to come to us. If I am one of those who is going to be shot down, ridiculed and or just suddenly disappear on this quest.. Then so be it. Its not that I am courageous, it is more so just the acceptance that whatever we do in our lives, we will one day die. Also, that if time is infinite which is hard not to imagine, that no matter what you do whether it great or very little, really won't matter at the end of the day. If you are remembered for 3000 years, 3000 years is such a tiny piece of infinity (in the scale of time), it is no more small of a fraction of infinite than if you are not remembered at all or by only a few for only a minute. Some would say this argument is bleak and pessimistic, but on the contrary, this argument equally means that if you chose to look outside the box and find some solutions and have a dream there is no reason for you not to chase it.
Death and poverty, ridicule it doesn't matter. So while we have this life that is very real, we may as well endeavour to create the changes suitable for a better world. Even if those changes are but a small piece of the puzzle.
originally posted by: Judgie
It might be a natural feature, however no excavation ever happened on the site and thus no one ever ruled out it wasn't man made.
There doesn't need to be an excavation on site. Geologists have looked at the outcrop and determined it to be just that, which is why you don't hear about it in the public, because it isn't that interesting....unless you're a volcanologist and ignimbrite is your thing....
originally posted by: micpsi
So forgive me if I remain unimpressed in the opinions of archaeologists and geologists about ambiguous artifacts. It is not because I lack their qualifications - I possess two postgraduate research degrees. I simply don't trust them to speak the truth when it appears to fly in the face of what all their textbooks have taught them.
originally posted by: korath
I have no idea why "They" hide the history of the world from us. I've heard it's because we couldn't handle knowing the truth, when, in fact, they don't seem to have a problem with it. I think their scared of us finding out the reality of things and knowing we don't need them.