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Hitler 'could have won WWII'

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posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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reply to post by xmotex
 


Yep, "white power" is far from dead.

Just another snake head on the same old body.

Hitler was a megalomaniac, but he still had masters who he served and answered to.

Personally, I don't give a damn about anyone's skin color, it's their intentions I am concerned about.

I created this thread, not for "white power", but for the philosophical discussion of the topic.

Would You Kill Adolph Hitler, Before He Was Born?

reply to post by zorgon
 


zorgon, have you read "I.B.M. and the Holocaust", "The Creature from Jekyll Island", or "Tragedy and Hope"?

If you have not, those are insightful into exactly what you referenced.

Standard Oil, I.B.M. (International Business Machine), and Wall Steeet were in on organizing, assisting, and funding Hitler from the start.

[edit on 30-7-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]




posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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Zorgon a typical brilliant and insightful post full of hard facts.

I do very much agree that Hitler was a New World Order/Holy Roman Empire puppet and stooge.

The American Oligarchs like the Rockefellers and many other prominent American Bankers and Industrialists publicly touted the virtues of facism as a model of effeciency, productivity and a model of a corporate/government state that would far outweigh the virtues of democracy throughout the early 1930's in public statements and statements to the U.S. Congress (once again a matter of record)

Esso/Standard Oil had a Gasoline Station operating in Auschwitz right up until Congress shut it down in 1942 under Trading with the Enemy charges and convicted the President of the Corporation of trading with the enemy and froze assetts of many of Harriman, Bush's, and Rockerfeller's German operations.

George H.W. Bush has money in a blind trust to this day from the proceeds of Silisean Coal and Steel both companies in occupied Poland that his Grand Father owned outright and knowingly used slave labor from Auschwitz for.

Perhaps one of the greatest ironies of the war is GMC Truck which was then the Grabowski Motor Coach Company owned by Max and Morris Grabowski too Polish Imigrants who later sold the operation to General Motor's got rich selling their general transport truck named the "Blitz" to Hitler's Wermacht which coined the term Blitzkrieg, amazingly more still from use in Max and Morris's native Poland!

World War II helped spur mass migrations including the populating of Israel, helped Stalin continue to change the interior makeup of the Soviet Union and unite his own people many who were struggling against the Gulag Slave Labor System and forced migrations, and redrew the maps throughout the Middle East and Europe and Asia to profit off of the increasing economic power of oil, set up a costly arms race throughout the cold war used as an excuse not to end Federal Income Tax at the end of the war per constitutional requirement and to expound and expand on Roosevelts concept of Big Corporate Government and to continually grow it as well as to entrench American and English NWO Oligarchs control over all these regions.

Like World War I it was a financial disaster for the citizens who would never again escape the burden of ever increasing taxation and the continued errosion of their individual rights and the individual states they lived in as Central Authority suplanted more and more traditinal regional and local authority.

There is strong and credible evidence both wars were orchestrated to have the exact effect and outcome that they had.

Perhaps the most sinister was the abrupt ending of the Trench War in Europe after the Zionists secured the Balfour Decleration and cut the German War Machine's funding suddenly forcing the Germans who held the dominant battlefield position and dominant financial position up to that point to capitulate and no sooner had the armistice taken effect than a deadly outbreak of Spanish Flu killed millions in the nations whose early termination of hostilities prevented reaching targeted numbers of battlefield deaths of civilian men pressed into military service through force drafts.

Which is why I personally always recomend to never drink the local water, or ever visit a doctor and to just stay home and die a dignified death in bed if you must!

Though in all honesty when you leave the merchants of death out of the equation you tend to recover from almost any ailment and lead a long and healthy life.

Our American/British and German Oligarchs combined with the Roman Catholic Church and the Zionists were/are the Nazis.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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This makes news because????

Hitler attacked Russia and lost many troops due to the intense weather at that time. He also ordered attacks over london uk which in turn was pretty pointless. Because if he had waited for the weather to get better he could have taken Russia.

What would life be like under german rule?



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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I see no one mentioning that he attacked Stalingrad purely based on psychological grounds, whereas he should have secured the oil fields of Baku with full force, rather than with a part of it.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Darth_Prime
Hitler was just another NWO puppet, they needed to create mass chaos,


Although I agree he was a puppet I don't believe it was the NWO as we know it. I believe he was played, by the thing he liked the most the occult and Extraterrestrials.

I believe that he met with ebes who promised him riches and control and power e.t.c in order to create a supreme race. This is why he ordered his scientists to build replica flying discs from a little technology 'they' decided to give him and experiment with electro magnetic energy in Poland.

Of course its all specualtion but the pieces keep on fitting together.






[edit on 30-7-2009 by franspeakfree]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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Hitler was a fantastic speaker he could rally a crowd with abstract rhetoric which no one really understood but immersed the crowd as one.

However this is where the party and the military go separate ways, a strategist he was not,

Let this be a lesson, everyone suspects the next dictator to be a madman, the evidence is far more subtle. Hitler was not a mad man, he was a bigoted racist that had more compassion for a german shepherd than millions of human beings.

So, beware of soft shoe shufflers telling you where you cannot go.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by dan steely
Hitler was a fantastic speaker he could rally a crowd with abstract rhetoric which no one really understood but immersed the crowd as one.


Hitler was on drugs. They gave him a magic drug at the time known now as speed/amphetamine sulphate and this is so obvious when you watch the films. You can almost see him raving on down with the Shamen..........Eees are good eeees are good is ebeneezer good?



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by dan steely had more compassion for a german shepherd than millions of human beings.


A good dog is worth more than a 1000 worthless hu-mans
That is why they are mans best friend.


Never the less the drugs did make him mad

Besides he was an Austrian not a German


It was his oratory skills however that was the reason the Thule Society built him up. Without that power of persuasion at the beginning it would never have gotten so far. That and the fact that German was broke and starving, no work... a good speaker need only make promises of a better time and more important, find someone to blame for the peoples problems

The rest as they say is history... and while the Thules and VRIL's continued to hang on to the promise of the new Golden Age, the other societies quickly saw where this was going and pulled out, but the die was cast and there was no stopping it

Perhaps in a macabre way the world owes thanks to that Doctor who pumped him full of drugs

[edit on 30-7-2009 by zorgon]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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I pity the fool who goes out tryin' a' take over da world, then runs home cryin' to his momma!

B.A. Baracus





posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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Nope but I will thanks



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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I made this thread a few days ago ..

WW2 wall street

Should interest you some !



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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This is a standard 'what if' counterfactual piece of History, thats been studied many times.

For me Hitlers most crucial mistake was at the height of his power after the taking of France and the Low Countries, his lack of will in launching Operation Sea Lion', the invasion of the U.K.

The air war was going well with the RAF at breaking point( anyone who disputes this and claims the RAF were some unbeatable force are wrong). But tactics were switched, instead of focusing on bombing the airfields so British planes could not get off the ground they started to blitz the industrial centres of the major towns and cities, giving the RAF sufficient time to regroup and hold the Luftwaffe.

If they had secured air supremecy, i believe this would have made up for the supremecy of the British Navy and an invasion would have been possible. And make no mistake it would have been a succsesful invasion, Britain had no heavy weapons and a completly de moralized shell of a fighting force. Things were so desperate Churchill would have ordered the spraying of mustard gas on the invading troops, (William Shier, 'The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich').

With Britain in German hands, the U.S could never have entered the European conflict, making the invasion of Russia much more viable as there would have been no risk of a second front opening up. Add to that Germany would no doubt have been able to secure Egypt, Iran& Iraq and had accsess to limitless supplies of Petroleum.

Unfortunatly for Hiter and his Reich he was so blinded by his racial hatred towards the Russians and their Slavic and Jewish populations that he choose to take on a much more powerful adversery. He did not seem to understand the British mentality and automatically assumed that we would sue for peace after the fall or France. He also seemed to have a grudging respect for Britain and her empire and felt it could be a stabilizing force in the world under German proxy.....



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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Interesting post. I would counter your assertion that once Britain has been captured there is no chance of a western front opening up. The Americans would of found a way. Oweing to the fact that U-boats were becoming ineffectual over time, I think that the U.S. Navy would of launched a large operation to dominate the North Atlantic and British waters, as they did in the Pacific. America, with production rates several times that of the Axis, would have been able to successfully open a front in Ireland and use the Naval superiority to keep German reinforcements from reaching the British Isles. They then would be in a position to recapture Britain. A mighty operation, but not impossible by any means.

Again, this would of pulled German military resources and attention from Barbarossa, giving the Soviets a good chance to fight back and receive lend lease shipments.

[edit on 30/7/09 by YourForever]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Joseph Farrell in several of his books about Nazi secret R&D makes a convincing case that the Nazis had working atom bombs as early as 1944. Two credible eyewitness accounts describe explosions so huge that they must have been either atom bombs or fuel/air explosives (they had those too!) But here was the clincher for me. Farrell found a memo from the Manhatten project to the Congressional oversight committee that was overseeing the project, dated March 1945. This is only three months prior to the bombing of Hiroshima. In this memo, it says that production of weapons grade uranium was so far behind schedule that it would be November 1945 before there was enough enriched uranium for even a single bomb. It also goes on to say that the plutonium bomb was stymied for lack of the right kind of explosive triggers. Now here's where this gets interesting. Just days before Germany surrendered(May 1945), the navy sent the u-boat U-238 to Japan carrying the following.
1) 2 Japanese army technical specialists
2) blueprints for the German jet fighter
3) gold-lined caskets containing uranium
4) a German specialist in precision triggers
5) a box full of precision triggers.

During the voyage, the sub was ordered to change course and head for a US port where it surrendered. A few weeks later, the US tests a plutonium bomb in the Nevada desert and a few weeks after than they drop a uranium bomb on Hiroshima. The speculation is that the uranium from the Uboat was enriched uranium. Why? Two reasons. Before the sub left Germany, some of the crew laughed at the Japanese for writing U-235 on the gold-lined caskets thinking that they had made a mistake about the number of the sub(U-238) but U-235 is the atomic number for enriched uranium and it seems far more likely that the Japanese were labeling the caskets based on its contents and not the name of the sub carrying it. Also, you don't need shielding of the kind that gold or lead gives you if you're only carrying U-238 but you would need it if you were carrying the enriched form of uranium. (u-235). Now as to the question of why the Nazis didn't use their atom bombs if they had them, Farrell makes a convincing case for that too. If they only had a few of them, then they needed to use them to maximum advantage and blowing up a few thousand troops wouldn't have changed the outcome of the war but dropping an atomic bomb on New York might have convinced the US to drop out of the war. The Nazis had just started building a long range bomber force by this time and one of those bombers made a non-stop test flight to within a few miles of New York and back to prove it could be done. Fortunately for the allies, the technical and industrial centers were overrun by allied troops before the Nazis were ready but Farrell gives convincing evidence that if the war had lasted even just a few weeks longer, things might have turned out very different.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 05:56 PM
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I agree with your sentiment about the RAF lucking out. Had the initial air campaign proceeded, attrition would have worn it down. The switch of targets was a lucky break, but the RAF capitalised on this straight away and won the Battle.

However, I doubt Germany could have ever got past the Royal Navy. The aim of the air war was to destroy the RAF swiftly so that the Luftwaffe could bomb the navy, but even before the target switching took place, the Luftwaffe was taking horrible losses and would have been in a bad way come the invasion.

The presence of even just a couple of battleships and cruisers in the channel would have been enough to deter any invasion attempt, let alone the entire Home Fleet, which consisted of hundreds of warships.

For any invasion to be successful, the Germans had to completely destroy the RAF and the Royal Navy, anything less would have meant failure of any invasion.

The Kriegsmarine surface fleet was tiny and would not have been able to protect the massive force of troop ships needed for the invasion from the Home Fleet. Even if the invasion force managed to get troops ashore, the vast bulk of what would have been the Germans finest fighting formations would have ended up on the bottom of the channel.

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posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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Hmm, i don't doubt that the U.S could out produce and marshall the Germans out of the Atlantic. But would they have had the will to? Many in America were anti-war involvment in Europe and i blieve the invasion of Britain would have seetled the argument.

I also counter they would have been far too busy with the inevitable conflict with the Japanese in the Pacific to have been able to even consider getting involved in the war in Europe. Also remeber Germany and the U.S were not in a state of war at the time of the Battle of Britain, i don't know if an invasion of Britain would have enlisted an automatic declaration of war by the U.S.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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You're right that the Americans had their hands full at the beginning. I think though give them 3-4 years and they could pull the liberation of Britain off. Public opinion would be the only thing stopping it, but being our blood brothers so to speak and this being a great opportunity to prove themselves as the saviors of the free world, I wouldn't totally write off American public support for such a thing.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 07:07 PM
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Holy Roman Empire - British Empire - Third Reich - America.
What do they have in common hmmmm?

Regardless if Hitler was or wasnt a puppet, the German people allowed this to happen. So why didnt the German army take control and either win the war or minimise losses? Basically I think the soldiers by the time they invaded Russia were pretty much too indoctrinated. If they had given the Russian populace an easier time there was every chance they would have turned on Stalin and the war would have been very differant. But no, they did the stupid thing, the greedy thing and thought that the Russian land meant some kind of paradise where Germans could flourish in an endless space.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by king9072
Shoulda, coulda, woulda, but didn't. Bottom line.


And very good!!!!
There is vast group fascinated by the Third Reich. Off course their army for the moment given was probably the best in the world, some of their inventions bloomed ever afterwards into the technologies we use now. Anyway nobodys perfect... The Germans get themeselves hipnotised and thats all does not matter was it the Zionists, Bankers or the Satan himself- the world they dreamed about was EVIL probably even more that NWO world...

Now a bit of nationalism from myself: coming from Poland the nation that suffered probably the worst of that war in theory being in the winning coalition in truth we were sold by our western friends to the Stalin so actually that war was over for us about the end of soviet block...
In 1939 Hitler try to lure the Poles to his coalition we say "no" . When first of September of that year when the Nazis attacked on enormous front starting from Baltic sea north till slovakian frontier, after a few days England and France , as they promised declared war to the Germans. Some say that Hitler hoped till the last moment that it will never happen. The problem is that immediately after that declaration, when it was really good moment to attack they did almost nothing...
Anyway it seems that after that the fate of Third Reich was already sealed...why??? It seems that not everybody here knows it but: Stalin, alleged friend of Hitler was planning his own invasion-on Germany so like in the Far West styled gunfight it was crucial who attacks first because Germans knew from their inteligence whats going on on the soviet territories. That s, in part the reason of the big success of german attack- mayority of the Red Army forces was concentrated in near to frontier zone. The same for approvisations, fuel, and ammunition, so germans artillery nearly smashed them in the first cannonade.
So much about the timing of the german attack- it was impossible to make 100% perfect plan- winter coming or not they had no choice. The rest was simply the matter of time- one country, even with the best soldiers in the world, with very limited help of several reluctant allies, cannot win against the world.
They paid dearly for they credulity thats all.
As in nearly all other battlefields of that war, also in the Battle of England the Poles had their say, actually shooting down more than 200 german planes from the total of about 1700 shoot by RAF, and losing only 31 of ours (it seems that till now there is no decent monument in England for that pilots...)
Again...why till now there is so many people, seemingly not only the teenegrs who feel morbid fascination with all that nazi stuff???
My theory:
its because of that well tailored SS uniforms??? even the clumsiest sissi boy look in them like the real, tough Man... )



[edit on 30-7-2009 by ZenOnKwalsky]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 08:37 PM
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You might want to read the book "Hitler was a British Agent" by Greg Hallett. There is evidence that both Hitler and Stalin where trained in England in the early 1900s. Hitler was programmed and monitored. The butchering of Germany was, in part, retribution for Germany's encouraging the Vatican for banning the Jesuit order after the Spanish imprisoned the Black Pope of the time General Rici.



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