Hitler 'could have won WWII', page 6

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reply posted on 25-8-2009 @ 09:52 PM by pavil

reply to post by fapython

Yeah, yeah, the Germans were such peace loving people at the time, why was everyone picking on them?? Truth is....Germany and the other Axis powers were the aggressors and they paid the price.

Sorry I don't feel too bad about anything that happened to the Axis powers during WWII. They made their bed and they got to sleep in it. Thats what happens if you let maniacs take control of your country.

reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 10:16 AM by TeslaandLyne

What gets me is how Germany and Japan made so many planes and weapons and armies.

I'm not sure but was this in response to the industry and greatness
of America.

Were we doing so well that those countries went to the extreme.

Military projects of jets and rockets were impressive.
And advanced from America.
Technology was king and those countries became tyrants in its persecute.

Some how, as the war Hitler ran it, he couldn't win.
Gave up on England.
Could not defend France.
Russia developed superior tanks far away in Siberia and had oil
and plenty of raw materials.
Tanks with designs the US Arny refused to make and instead used
their own design engineers.
Russia probably didn't pay for the design use anyway.
Big Russia will crush little Hitlers.

reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 06:25 PM by YourForever

reply to post by TeslaandLyne

The T-34 was not that good. Easily defeated by German Panther and Tiger tanks. It just came as a suprise, that's all, the Germans did not expect an armored resistance.

reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:17 PM by punkinworks

reply to post by YourForever

no it wasnt that good, but it was good enough and in large enough numbers.

Once when i was looking at old photos of soviet tank crews i noticed that each driver had a small hammer in his belt, i figured it was symbolic, you know the whole hammer and sickle thing.
No it wasnt, it was issued to tank drivers and used to bang on the transmission shift lever in order to get it to shift into gear.

reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 09:26 PM by dooper

reply to post by TeslaandLyne

The T-34 was based on the Christie design, which the Russians bought a couple of, and then copied.

Just like they held a few of our B-29's forced to land there due to emergencies and copied much of the design.

Just like the Chinese did with a lot of Russian equipment, most famous of which would be the AK-47.

The Christie design was so advanced for the period, but our generals realized that very capable tanks would require very capable generals, and that just wouldn't do.

The Russian modification was crude to say the least, as they were designed for numbers, not quality. The chassis was the thing that enabled them to run circles around the German tanks, and the wider track for the tonnage enabled them to "float" across ground the heavier German tanks couldn't traverse.

reply posted on 27-8-2009 @ 10:45 AM by TeslaandLyne

I take the radio invention as giving armies the idea they could
take over the world.
Just give out orders to any place in the world.
Germany and Japan had coded messages.

Command and control would be operation supreme.

reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 02:16 AM by YourForever

What would it have taken to stop the advancing Red Army in 1944? Surely there was a way? Hindsight is 20/20..

reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 02:31 AM by THELONIO

it was not his job to win the war just to start it so that israel would be formed, sounds nutty doesnt it?, research!!

reply posted on 28-8-2009 @ 04:12 AM by punkinworks

reply to post by YourForever

Remove the 400,000 trucks and 1,100 locomotives that the us supplied, and the soviet advance would have stopped in its tracks

reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 08:05 AM by YourForever

Good point. What about the allied invasion in France? Was there any way that could of been stopped?

reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 08:22 AM by loner007

IF Japan hadnt bombed pearl harbour and brought america into the war it is true hitller would have won the war in europe and he had his sights on america. I HAD SEEN A DISCOVERY PROGRAME where it shown Hitler had stealth bomber on the drawing board and it would have carried a nuclear bomb which he was going to use on america.
Looks like we have to thank those japs....

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reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 08:54 AM by TheCoffinman

Originally posted by john124
Also says Germany would have had to not declare war on the US as well. That one, and attacking the Russian's during the coldest months were the most idiotic decisions by hitler. Oh and taking on the RAF in 1940, but they didn't mention that.

news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

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they had the RAF beat... the only reason why they lost the "battle of Britain" was because they lost focus. instead of keeping up the pressure on destroying the RAF they shifted focus to bombing the cities...

reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 09:12 AM by loner007

they had the RAF beat... the only reason why they lost the "battle of Britain" was because they lost focus. instead of keeping up the pressure on destroying the RAF they shifted focus to bombing the cities...

Not true Hitler didnt have fighter planes that could travel as far as bombers, so for most of the time german bombers was on their own. That is why the spitfire was born. it was made to combat the german bombers and being more agile it could easily take out the bombers at wil as they didnt have any fighter escorts. That is why Hitler made the v2 rocket so bomb britain because he couldnt break Britains air superority and radar defences.
that is why germany was trying to build a stealth bomber to avoid British radar dectection.

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reply posted on 29-8-2009 @ 05:35 PM by punkinworks

reply to post by TheCoffinman

the lufwaffe didnt have any focus, the two main commanders had widley differeing views on how to proceed.
One wanted to bomb cities to force a political capitulation, the other sought to destroy the RAF's ability to fight.
these two opposed philosophies were allowed to forment in the high command by goering's incompetance as a commander.
agian the nazi's command philosophy and structure hampered their ability to operate effectively.

the real turning point was when the germans gave up on bombing the radar stations in favor of bombing the cities.
had they finished the operation against the radar stations the RAF's ability to coordinate a defense would have been practicaly nil.
Once agin terrible tactical descisions hampered the nazis ability to fight a strategic war, THANK GOD.

reply posted on 19-10-2009 @ 11:35 PM by Caveat Lector

Originally posted by Badgered1
You say that 2million elderly women and children were raped by the allies for weeks, but don't give any source of this information. I think this might be more well known if it were true.

It occurred and was committed wholly by the Russians. I consider this so well known that i'll let you do the research for this one

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reply posted on 18-4-2010 @ 05:03 PM by InvisibleAlbatross

reply to post by fapython

I would like to see some sources for Hitler offering to resign. I looked and the only site I found was called "Adolf the Great." Not exactly unbiased.

reply posted on 18-4-2010 @ 06:31 PM by Yellow Teapot

Originally posted by king9072
Shoulda, coulda, woulda, but didn't. Bottom line.

Wakey wakey,

the Japanese and Germans lost the battle but clearly won the war.

Without mentioning Japanese ownership of US real estate,

Who controls NASA and much of America? The Nazis and their stooges the Bush's.
Who controls most of Latin America? The Nazis.
Who created and controls the EU (therefore ALL of Europe)? The Nazis.

Prince Philip (Elizabeth II's Hubby was educated by the Hitler Youth.

Etc. Etc.

Need I go on?

VW, Mercedes Benz, Audi, Porsche. The best vehicles in the world.

The Nazi's traded some scientists to allow the escape of the leadership along with their best technology in order escape to South America.

Listen to Joseph Farrell
projectcamelot.org...

Look it up.
Research 'the Bell' (die Glocke) and Martin Bormann.

en.wikipedia.org... (and that is the doctored source).

In his book, Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science and Technology, Stevens wrote about a conversation in the early sixties between a friend's father and his boss at NASA, Otto Cerny, a German scientist from Operation Paperclip. At first Cerny was only vague about his previous work, dismissing it as "weird experiments on the nature of time". However, he later drew a structure made of a circle of stones with a ring around the top along with a second ring from which something hung. At some point during the conversation Cerny described similar to a concave mirror on top of the device allowing "images from the past" to be seen during its operation. He claimed that it was possible to "go back and witness things", but not to go forward.[22]

To millions -in fact Billions- of people, the 2nd WW and much of the the Holohoax was merely a Zionist charade and Hitler was the true founder of Israel. There are still persistent stories that he and Eva Braun arrived in Argentina via U-Boat in July 1945.

www.amazon.com...

Listen to George Green...
projectcamelot.org...

I grew up a blind supporter of all things Israeli only to discover the truth.

Viva Palestine. Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

reply posted on 18-4-2010 @ 06:40 PM by Yellow Teapot

Further reading,

aangirfan.blogspot.com...

Dig deeper , I'm off to bed.

There is shedloads of info that contradicts the OS.

Peas, 9/11 Thermite, White Phosphorous and Uzi's. x x x

reply posted on 18-4-2010 @ 07:55 PM by whatwasthat

reply to post by fapython

fapython,

WWII bombing of Dresden by the US and the RAF did indeed inflict a very high number of casualties. Where do you find the data on the number 600,000? Most of the numbers I locate in the stories of this event speak of a number less that 40,000. A big number to be sure but your number is at least fifteen times higher than the reports i am able to locate.