'I wed Iranian girls before execution'

reply to post by Dnevnoi

Of course I object to the alleged law system of Iran. Sharia Law, which you may not understand, is used in many Muslim nations. It is a penal code and somewhat 'moral' code derived from the Islamic faith. It is not fair like the Justinian derived law system, and uses outdated methods to enforce the Sharia Law.

That comment is a matter of opinion. I don't know you so I am not obliged to take it seriously. I suspect victims and families of rape and murder don't think common law is fair.

The Justinian Code - Corupus Iurus Civilis - was the codification of imperial post Romana laws. Romans executed people for the merest infractions. You only think it is superior because it is European.

Israel is not producing propaganda. True, they want to fight Iran but when you've heard Ahmadinejad declare the desire to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth and turn an anti-racism conference into a platform for anti-semitic and racist remarks, it is obvious as to why they would have aggressions towards Iran.

That comment regarding Ahmadinejad has been debunked. I think Israel was after Iran as soon as Iraq was taken care of.

Gaza are not prisoners by force, by allowing Hamas to take over as authority in the Palestinian state they are only causing problems. The West Bank is peaceful since the elected Fatah movement has chosen to lay down its arms and work for the betterment of everyone.

They voted for Hamas. What do want to happen? The punishment of voters? The fact is that both the US and Israel pushed for an election which was monitored by the world and the people voted for Hamas. The West Bank is not peaceful and the land is being stolen as we speak.

Gaza is surrounded by walls which is ringed by an army of occupation.

1.5 million Gazans rely on Israel for essential services and goods, and yet they launch rockets and attack those providing them with what they need. If the Palestinian people wish to make progress and grow, then they must refuse to use force as a means of getting what they want.

The Palestinians rely on the prison guard, Israel, to feed them because they are locked in behind a wall and the sea is blocked by an Israeli armada.

The fire rockets in resistance to oppression, assassination and of course the killing of 1400 civilians by Israel over the Christmas holidays only a few months ago. Did you already forget the phosphorous clouds?

This should not be happening weither it is in Western country Societies or in Middle Eastern Counries. It is absolutely disgusting, to use marriage or anything else, as a right to rape anyone. Especially children.

Two words for the men who do this, no mater what religion or culture they come from. Absolute Scum. They should be castrated so they cannot do this again.

Also I have to say something, I came across a comment and I will quote it:

Originally posted by getreadyalready
He may even enjoy it, and hate himself that much more for enjoying it. Woman who are raped have this problem as well. The physical aspect can be enjoyable while the emotional aspect is heart-wrenching and guilt-filled!

So you think Every woman or child that is raped enjoys this? OMG you have got to be joken right. That is one of the most idiotic comments I have ever read on ATS. I am absolutely shocked that a member even in ATS posted such comments.

If I had my way there would be no religion. Ban it all.

The humans will find something else to fight about.

Never ending cycle.....



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reply to post by Dnevnoi

Regarding the controversy over whether this is propaganda or actual fact, here are some examples of how the Iranian regime's penal code is inhumane and illegal in the eyes of the world.

No controversy, it is a fake. Check my links out.

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman


well the story is about islamic law in Iran. Islamic law is directly related with Islam the religion. I been to Pakistan and have met many imams. I even took a religious class in college. We had field trip to buddist temples and talked to the holy people.

From what I learned in that college class. Every religion is peasful. They have their own negative propaganda towards each. I was even told about the jedisim that they go around grabbing the hair of christian childering and slitting their throats and drinking their blood. I was told this in class and the professor told us that it's not true but these rumors are thown out their to hate that religion.

Since the article here is about islamic law in Iran. You posts is like towards Islam religion. Islamic laws comes from the religion and I never heard anything about forceing women to marry you and then have sex and after sex they kill them.

I learned about hindusim that people started to hate it because they saw when a womens husband dies the husbands family has to take care of his wife. So since they are in poverty what they do is they burn the huband and then toss his wife into the fire to burn with him since she would be a finical burden.

This then got a negative image of hindusim cause many thought oh now hindusim allows people to burn their wife.. Which is not true. In hindusim they say that the husbands family must take care of his wife. If he dies for some reason. Since the times were tough people started to toss their wifes into the fire where their husband is burned.

well I right now printed the article. I asked my dad to ask the Imam this coming friday. Since my dad goes to the mausk on friday. I am sure he will say the same thing I said.

It would be best to ask a Imam in IRAN or ask many people from Iran.

If you really want the true answer go and ask Iranians in some chatroom . I think yahoo has a international place in yahoo anwsers where you ask questions.

I personally think this is propaganda. Like I said I never been to Iran. I flew over Iran in 1997 we had to make a detour since we were getting close to fly over a military base and our pilot got a message on the radio to detour we are headed for restrictive airspace.

The cool thing back then was that I was in the cockpit and listen to the radio. They allowed me to sit in the cockpit and watch them fly for 15 minutes. They even drew me the flight path. I was 6 or 7 at the time. Thats when I went to Pakistan.

What I am saying don't Blame the Country Iran. They are just ignorant. I am serious about this. No matter what you do they won't understand it. They may follow old traditions. Not the Islamic religion but follow what they did in the past. They are slowly getting educated.

I am not saying flat out that this is not true. I personally think it's not and if it is then it's based of ignorance of Iran. I know they are stupid. You just have to understand they are just following old traditions and will not listen to outsiders.

The U.S is more educated that is why we have better moral laws. If you have a college class talk about ethics you must of at least done a excersise that will show you that everyone has different ethics. So if laws of a country is based off ethic views or moral views. Well everyone has different views based on education.

If your not educated your not a leader your a follower. You will follow old stuff and never progress. This is what Iran is currently however they are getting educated but not good enough compared to the U.S . They are making slow progress.

They voted for Hamas. What do want to happen? The punishment of voters? The fact is that both the US and Israel pushed for an election which was monitored by the world and the people voted for Hamas. The West Bank is not peaceful and the land is being stolen as we speak.

Gaza is surrounded by walls which is ringed by an army of occupation.

This is the only time I will agree with you, Those in the Gaza strip have no one to speak out for them, they are held hostage by Israel while the International community turns a blind eye. Which I also find disgusting.

Originally posted by Laurauk they are held hostage by Israel while the International community turns a blind eye. Which I also find disgusting.

And what do you propose the International community should do? Send in more troops? Sanctions?

reply to post by Laurauk

Two words for the men who do this, no mater what religion or culture they come from. Absolute Scum. They should be castrated so they cannot do this again.

Actually the story is a fake. Israel and it agents are well known for these types of psychosexual crimes.

The Israeli Mossad agent Zev Barkan has been running Asian criminal gangs used to obtain Australian Identity documents and other passports stolen from Australians Killed in Asia, a New Zealand security official has said.

I was contacted by a New Zealand official, who has intelligence connections in Asia while I was shopping in Toul Tom Pong Market in Phnom Penh and provided documents to support this information on the condition that it remain anonymous and I not publish the documents considering the risk to officials if the source of this leak was identified, this New Zealand official said Barkan was connected to an Israeli terrorist cell operating out of Thailand.

melbourne.indymedia.org...

Do you know how Zev Barkan killed those kids? He killed them by having them raped and slaughtered for snuff movies he subsequently sold. That is how the case was busted wide open. Someone recognised one of the girls being killed in the video.

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reply to post by zorgon


Tell Israel to back off, or else face sanctions on thier own country. How can those citizens off gazza live while under hostage. You tell me. Besides this is not the topic. If you want to debate this issue. Open another thread.

I do not want the topic changed tyvm.



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reply to post by Laurauk


Laurauk, you are right that it is disgusting for somebody to enter a rape with the thought that, "well, she is going to like it whether she wants it or not." That is selfish, obscure, heartless rationalization for sadistic rape of an innocent being with thoughts, emotions, connections, and investments in life.

On the flip side, molested individuals do, as a matter of fact, get contradictory pleasure/pain signals during the act. These contradictions actually make the experience far more traumatic, leaving the victim sometimes with a very confused and fearful outlook, not even willing to trust his or her emotions after the horrific act. This works for non sexual abuse as well, in the sense that there is the conflicting view of whether one "deserved" it all. The feelings of physical pleasure from touching coupled with the horrific feelings of being totally violated, totally disregarded as a human being, these opposite feelings can synthesize into something horrible, something like what I have mentioned, only with such an infinite sense of destructive and worthless and powerless awe that words alone cannot describe the experience.

reply to post by orwellianunenlightenment


Do you have proof of this?

I want to see sources, links. And back up what you are posting here.

Victims of molestation do not enjoy the experience at all. Nor do victims of rape.

reply to post by masonwatcher


No fake, what I'm saying is real and documented.

"zion's behaviour rarely gets mentioned" ~ tv on the radio

reply to post by Laurauk


No, I don't have it handy, but I have read therapists' writings that the victim discusses feeling this way. I also realize, from personal experience, as do we all, that I have physically enjoyed, but emotional hated sex with a person. I think we are arguing semantics anyway, which is why I responded to you. I am not saying the act is enjoyable in anyway, shape or form. I am only saying that there are feelings of fear, powerlessness, violation, despair, and panic, and that alongside these feelings can exist physical pleasure. As I said, this makes the memory of the event more traumatic anyway, making it a more powerful form of evil. It in no way lessens the trauma of the event. Like I said, it makes it worse, leading to confusion and states of extreme withdrawl, a veritable post-traumatic stress disorder.

All that being said, I am sure if you did a search, you would find scholarly and anecdotal evidence for what I said. I just don't believe it is necessary either way, because I am agreeing with you about the horror of the act. I am just trying to shine some light of some of it's ugly complexities.

reply to post by Laurauk


I personally think he was using sarcasm. Or atlest I hope he was.

I would say this.. If you want America to have a lower rate of rape all you need to do is ban porn and have women to cover up.

I mean it's not rocket science. Alot of young women they wear clothing that exposes too much skin. This is similar to just walking naked. I know it's not really nudeity but its close.
Over here we accept alot of stuff. Women can expose alot of skin. We then have sex ed in 5th grade, then middle school health class. Then in high school and then in college.

In middle school and highschool we were ecourage to have safe sex. They told use to wear a condom.

So let me get this stright the U.S government allows porn, allows women to show alot of skin. They then push schools to incorporated sex ed in school and encourage to have sex but wear a condom.

I mean their you go. A recipe for raping crimes and any sexual crimes. Many young females try and dress sexy and usally they attract men that is looking for sex. Their you go a crime. If you took those elements down you will lower the raping rate and other sexual crimes.

I am a male and I personally don't want to get married. I personally think females don't treat men with respect. This is based off my experience. I am not a sexist or anything but my personal experience with just talking to females a majority in my area they have different views. Most that I talked to think that men should cater to women. The reason I say this is that. I talked to females in my area. and no not in any flerting manny just general talk. Most of them tell me why would women need a man. They can have a job that pays more then men. They can do the same as men and is treated better then men. I told them I agree.

I notice in america that women are treated better. Well in my area. I seen a tv show that wanted to see about sexist views.

They had actors in a park. They had a male and a female They first had the male act abusive to the female. they wanted to see who will come and help her out.

They done this and about 10 people that passed by the all stopped and called 911 and protected her. Their was a guy that chased the actor and was close to beating the guy up.

So they showed the public will help if they see a man being abusive or arguing with a female.

Now they done the switch. They made the female abusing the male. He would be slapped and kicked in between the legs and get hit with a purse. They had 30 people pass by and no one stopped. about 15 people were lol.

At the end of the show they took those people who passed by and they were in a group. They asked them why they did what they did. Most of them said that msotly females get abused and rapped. When they saw the male betting absued they said they think he cheated on her or something and he deserved it. They thought it was funny seeing a guy getting beaten up by a girl.

They done research and found out that Females would be help most of the time in any situation compared to males.

So what I am saying that the US is favoring womens rights. I mean men have to sign up for the military. well I forgot the name but it's that list where if we go to war and they declare this word draft. It's a draft list all men at the age of 18 or older have to register it by law. I am on it.

This is just my personal views on this subject. Since we are talking about women and children rights. In general and ya I know we are talking about Iran.

On one hand I would totally believe this is propaganda...but then things like Text Whiteafghanistan legalizing rape makes me believe that this could be happening (yes, I understand this article is about iran, I am just using it as a broader reference).
Just because a country looks fine on the outside doesn't mean it doesn't have dirty secrets (US torturing overseas, anyone??!!). Also, propaganda doesn't have to be fake...it could be taking advantage of a real situation.

reply to post by Laurauk


Are you a Female??? Just wondering?

reply to post by masonwatcher

The Justinian Code - Corupus Iurus Civilis - was the codification of imperial post Romana laws. Romans executed people for the merest infractions. You only think it is superior because it is European.

Modern law system is based off the Justinian code, it is not a carbon copy, it has changed and improved unlike Sharia Law. People may not be satisfied by common law but at least in common law the victim is not executed because relatives of the offender feel slighted.

That comment regarding Ahmadinejad has been debunked. I think Israel was after Iran as soon as Iraq was taken care of.

Have you seen the news conferences? In Durham II, diplomats and representatives walking out left and right as Ahmadinejad attacked Israel through his speech. Shia militias such as Hamas and Hezbollah are funded by the Revolutionary Guard, best way to kill weeds is to go after the roots.

They voted for Hamas. What do want to happen? The punishment of voters? The fact is that both the US and Israel pushed for an election which was monitored by the world and the people voted for Hamas. The West Bank is not peaceful and the land is being stolen as we speak.

They only voted for Hamas after the Fatah were ousted by the more radical group. The Fatah movement is the true Palestinian Authority, not a cowardly network of militants hiding among throngs of people.

The Palestinians rely on the prison guard, Israel, to feed them because they are locked in behind a wall and the sea is blocked by an Israeli armada.

They do have border crossings to Egypt you know. West Bank has a border with Jordan.

The fire rockets in resistance to oppression, assassination and of course the killing of 1400 civilians by Israel over the Christmas holidays only a few months ago. Did you already forget the phosphorous clouds?

Its already been proven that they used white phosphorous shells, unfortunately for your platform, they used marker shells to let artillery and aerial strike teams know where to fire. As to the 1400 civilians, how can you be so sure when Hamas doesn't have uniforms or any identification of combat personnel. At least the Israelis took the time to make it known who they are.

Just remember they are increasing the beating of war drums with Iran, both on the nuclear and human rights front. the propaganda will increase, so beware of sources.

On one hand I would totally believe this is propaganda...but then things like Text Whiteafghanistan legalizing rape makes me believe that this could be happening (yes, I understand this article is about iran, I am just using it as a broader reference).
Just because a country looks fine on the outside doesn't mean it doesn't have dirty secrets. Our own government tortures people and bombs civilians. Does that make our society as a whole disgusting or dishonest?

I also want to show WHY is put forth the information that I did. The answer lies in the question.

Why do people commit acts? Why do people commit horrific acts? Why do people respond to acts the way they do? Why do people respond to horrific acts the way they do?

Regarding rape, physical abuse, psychological abuse, the reason has a common thread. It desires power and control over another. It is sadistic. It not only thrives on the control during the actual event, it thrives on the perceived future response of the victim. It desires the victim to be perpetually traumatized by repeat memories of the event.

I was trying to shine o light on some valid aspects, and I apologize for not having sources handy. But, if you like you will find them. It is since these conflicting emotions are almost universally the response of the victimized, that these conflicting emotions must be dealt with and reconciled. If someone receives a physical pleasure from a rape, it is in no way, shape, or form their fault. Once they realize this, it is easier to move on to a state of wholeness. The rapist then ceases to rape the rapee everyday in his or her memories.