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Originally posted by Rams59lb
Obama Signs Executive Order Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate
Generally speaking, executive privilege is the President's right to withhold certain information from Congress, the courts and most anyone else, even in the face of a subpoena. It's a conditional privilege, meaning it can be overridden in some circumstances, such as when the President is the target of a criminal investigation.
That's why President Nixon famously lost his 1974 struggle in the U.S. Supreme Court to keep the Watergate tapes private. The Executive Privilege Showdown
Originally posted by tyranny22
By revoking that 2001 executive order, and replacing it with essentially the same wording as Reagan's 1989 order, Obama actually made it easier to gain access to some former Presidential records after the 12 year period.
One might interpret that as a jab at Bush, but it wasn't an attempt to give himself more power to hide records. If you read Chapter 22 of Title 44, Reagan's executive order 12667, Bush's executive order 13233, and section 1270 of the NARA regulations, that becomes clear.
Originally posted by fraterormus
I guess I'm not a fanatic because I'm not seeing what the linked article's author is claiming or what others are claiming this Executive Order means.
In 1974 Congress passed the Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act of 1974 placing the presidential records of Richard Nixon in federal custody to prevent their destruction. The legislative action was intended to reduce secrecy, while allowing historians to perform their responsibilities.
The Presidential Records Act of 1978 expanded such protection of historical records, by mandating that the records of former presidents would automatically become the property of the federal government upon his leaving the Oval Office, and then transferred to the Archivist of the United States, thereafter to be made available to the public after no more than 12 years.
President Ronald Reagan issued Executive Order 12667 on 18 January, 1989 to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of Executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978.
President George W. Bush revoked this Executive Order by issuing Executive Order 13233 on 1 November 2001.
President Barack Obama restored Reagan's Executive Order 12667 with Executive Order 13489 on 21 January 2009. The wording is verbatim with the original Order.
This has nothing to do with a Birth Certificate. This has to do with a President issuing an Order to comply with the will of the Senate, the next President nullifying that Order to claim that doing so would be a threat to National Security, and the then next President after that saying that it is not a matter of National Security and that the Office of the President will comply with the Presidential Records Act of 1978, as former President Reagan had done.
I've read the Executive Order. It has nothing about Birth Certificates or Records of Live Birth. It has nothing to do with such a subject, but is purely a reinstatement of a former Executive Order by a former President to undo a wrong that the former President in between had made in claiming Executive Privilege and the Office of the President need not comply with the Presidential Records Act of 1978.
Methinks that some people are so genuinely obsessed with smearing a person and spreading hysteria that they are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
If you have issue with a genuine Policy then have at it. Heaven knows there are plenty of other genuine qualms a person could legitimately make against Obama Policy. However, fabricating lies, stating falsehoods, and spreading disinformation is not only pathetically immoral, but it is against the T.O.S. of ATS.
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[edit on 19-7-2009 by GAOTU789]
No, he has not. A document simulating a birth certificate was made public, but was not authentic and was not posted by President Elect Obama. Noone has checked to verify his eligibility to be president. My ten year old daughter wonders why we have to prove their eligibility to play little league by providing birth certificates, but noone authenticates the eligibility of presidential candidates. Apparently, she is going to be a Republican since she can realize such an atrocity going on. There is a man that has filed a law suit to bar his taking office until his eligibility is proven, it is currently in the hands of the Supreme Court. He has filed a concurrent suit to have his win not be formally announced (that does not take place until January, when congress officially opens the electoral collage votes and certifies them). We shall see what happens... I will say that I did not vote for Obama. He IS our President Elect, though. I would just have much more respect if I knew that win was fair and not fraudulent, and that he was even eligible. His own grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. His travel history gives clue to the fact that he is not a US citizen (as he travelled to an area that was off limits to Americans years ago-so either he commited fraud then or now).
It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."
Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are: * The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal. * It isn't signed. * No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version. * In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters. * The certificate number is blacked out. * The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008. * The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.