Apollo Hardware Spotted!

Originally posted by weedwhacker
THAT one?

You know sometimes you remind me of a Hyena. not sure where your head is at... but be that as it may the Buran stuff is off topic anyway so lets leave that for another thread shall we? I personally have a lot of respect for Russian achievement. Had they not had the bout with communism I imagine they would be on top. And give them another 10-20 years to recover and I wouldn't be so smug if I were you




[edit on 18-7-2009 by zorgon]

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Well, then....to placate you, I'll repeat this from an earlier post:

Originally posted by weedwhacker

The Soviet-era Buran space programme, mothballed 20 years ago, may be revived. With NASA about to retire its ageing fleet of space shuttles, there is a pressing need for viable space transport.

Two decades ago the Soviet space shuttle Buran blasted off on its first and only orbital flight. Just a few years later, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, the programme was shelved.

After nearly a decade in a hangar, the only Buran that went into space was destroyed when a roof collapsed at Baikonur launch facility in 2002.

Although the Buran project ended prematurely, not all the ideas from it were left buried. Some of the technologies developed at the time are now used in everyday life. Fore example, several heat-resistant materials used to make deep-fryers are a direct result of the research done during Buran's development.

Buran technologies may make an unexpected return to the space industry as well.

Because NASA will soon retire its ageing space shuttle fleet, some American and Russian scientists are beginning to think of ways to revive the Buran programme.

It may be more economical than developing an entirely new spacecraft from scratch.

www.russiatoday.com...


[edit on 18 July 2009 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
It may be more economical than developing an entirely new spacecraft from scratch.

About a year ago or so when I posted that Russia was 'picking up the pieces' several of the lovable debunkers here told me I was full of it and demand prove. That article was one I used... but I have others.

All this makes the words in my signature so right...

Two Buran's in Storage
Baikonur Cosmodrome
Building 80, Area 112A

"Ptichka" and another unidentified one in 'Mothballs'



Maybe NASA can make a contract

Originally posted by contemplator
LOL we have spy satellites that can read newsprint from orbit and this is the best they can do? I was hoping this would lay the hoax to rest but they have only thrown fuel on the fire with this rubbish!

Here's a bit of info that should make any reasonable person realize there was no hoax and we did indeed land on the moon

The ongoing Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment measures the distance between the Earth and the Moon using laser ranging. Lasers on Earth are aimed at retroreflectors previously planted on the Moon and the time delay for the reflected light to return is determined. Since the speed of light is known with very high accuracy, the distance to the moon can be calculated. This distance has been measured with increasing accuracy for more than 35 years.

The distance continually changes for a number of reasons, but averages about 384,467 kilometers (238,897 miles).

The experiment was first made possible by a retroreflector array installed on July 21, 1969, by the crew of the Apollo 11. Two more retroreflector arrays left by the Apollo 14 and Apollo 15 missions have contributed to the experiment.

The unmanned Soviet Lunokhod 1 and Lunokhod 2 rovers carried smaller arrays. Reflected signals were initially received from Lunokhod 1, but no return signals have been detected since 1971, at least in part due to some uncertainty in its location on the Moon. Lunokhod 2's array continues to return signals to Earth.[1]

Improvements in technology since then have resulted in greater use of the smaller arrays, by sites such as the McDonald Observatory and the OCA Laser-Lune telemetry station affiliated with the Côte d'Azur Observatory.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by conar


Those cant be left there by an unmanned mission?

They can be placed using unmanned missions.

That is how the Russians got their reflectors on the moon.

[edit on 18-7-2009 by Exuberant1]

Sure they could HOWEVER, if you can get an unmanned craft up there, you can get a manned craft up there.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

* One of the reasons the Russians didn't blow the whistle on Apollo was because we have dual systems - a dual relationship. There is a secret space program and this is part of it.

Oh you mean even during the COLD WAR ????

Originally posted by zorgon
I imagine they would be on top. And give them another 10-20 years to recover and I wouldn't be so smug if I were you

The US military budget is greater then all other countries budgets combined so I wouldn't worry about russia too much And yes the US military has a shuttle/rocket program

Originally posted by jfj123
The US military budget is greater then all other countries budgets combined so I wouldn't worry about Russia too much

And yes the US military has a shuttle/rocket program

Well the military budget may be greater but where NASA spends a billion to make a pen for use in space, Russia sends a pencil The recent repair on the ISS that almost made them abandon ship was fixed when a Russian uses a piece of wire as a jumper cable and fixed it...

So money is not always the main factor And surely we all know how much of that 'budget' gets wasted...

In 1983 as a foreward in a book "High Frontier"by General Daniel O.Graham
Former Deputy Director of the CIA, Congressman Newt Gingrich says this...

" . . . He who Controls Space may well control the future of Mankind. We have a chance, through High Frontier, using existing technology to develop a space program that is absolutely necessary to our survival and that will give us a chance to move past the Russians to assure our own nation and freedom a future on this planet"

I am not worried about the Russians. My great grandfather sang as tenor on the Don Kossak choir and I firmly believe that they have been our partners all along... more like 'rivals' than cold war 'enemies'. I think it was convenient to have a partnership where one side wasn't under public scrutiny

As to the other shuttles, I welcome any more 'hints' you can send me via U2U that don't compromise any oaths that you may or may not have taken

Go Navy

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NASA did not make the pens, they bought them. And so did the Russians.

In 1965, Mr. Fisher sent his space pen to Houston Space Center and NASA began testing it. Since 1967, Mr. Fisher's space pens have been on American and Russian space flights.

archive.southcoasttoday.com...

Originally posted by zorgon

As to the other shuttles, I welcome any more 'hints' you can send me via U2U that don't compromise any oaths that you may or may not have taken

Go Navy

What I know is that for quite a few years, there has been a military shuttle/plane program called Project Blackstar OLS which is/was a parallel program to the soviets Project Spiral. The main difference is that the Blackstar program really took off in the 90's while Spiral was started in the 60's and evolved into Buran.
The shuttle/plane carried black payloads only and was also designed as a last chance rescue vehicle.
This is of course all.....hypothetical

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Not entirely hypothetical. There was a lot of work done. But...

Whether the Blackstar system was ever declared operational or not is unknown, but several orbiters may have flown over the years. A former program manager at a major aerospace company once declared, "There's no question; Lockheed is flying a two-stage space vehicle."

Source

Certainly has nothing to do with Apollo though.

[edit on 7/18/2009 by Phage]

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Oh lighten up Phage and your 20 star following...

EVERYone knows that the pen story is an urban myth... but the POINT was that the Russians favor practicality while we tend to throw money at a problem...

Has it become so bad here at ATS that you cannot see beyond mere words and feel the need to nit pick rather than stay focused on issues?

Sad very sad indeed...

Maybe now the Moon Landing Conspiracy people will devote their time and energy to real things like how Goldman Sach's and other banks just posted multi Billion dollar profits for the 2nd Quarter when 6 months ago they were on the verge of insolvency.

Originally posted by hawkeye1717
Maybe now the Moon Landing Conspiracy people will devote their time and energy to real things like how Goldman Sach's and other banks just posted multi Billion dollar profits for the 2nd Quarter when 6 months ago they were on the verge of insolvency.

One of the main reasons we want this hoax to go public is because it will trigger discovery of other hoaxes, such as 911. Then all hell will beak loose - yes, the banks, the Fed, the corporates, the military will all be accountable.

I dont know which expose will come first, but it will be a happy day when it does.

If that is a photo of the landing site and there are supposeably ancient artifacts on the moon according to Richard Hoagland ,Then why did they land in the most bring place on the moon?

Pulse detonation from a probe to leave foot prints, A giant secret studio to film a fake moon landing, fooling millions / the whole world, several unmanned missions to place reflectors to cover the lie not counting the one for the foot prints ....... The list goes on...

Believing that it was a hoax is more unbelievable than we actually landed men on the moon.

The hoax theory is so bloated with outlandish explanations that its ridiculous to consider.

With everything that would have to happen to make the hoax the simple explanation is that we went to the moon and the simple explanation is usually the truth.

[edit on 19-7-2009 by RageO]

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I agree. So I feel that we should be exploring space, but we aren't spending the cash we need in order to get anything done. Personally, it seems to me that money shouldn't always be the bottom line for projects that benefit all humanity. Too bad greedy bastards at the top keep us all so in debt that we can't all have a decent living and education and still have plenty of time and energy to devote our individual and collective efforts and resources to the pursuit of offworld solutions.

It has been said that we could support what we've got if only everyone got an equal amount of everything. But that's socialism and I don't believe in it. We are too greedy and corrupt of a species to be trusted to take care of everyone and provide equally for each other. Too many of us (me included) would have to work harder for less in order for that kind of Utopian society to exist here on earth. And I honestly don't think I would want to give up what I have worked to earn. If that makes me a bad person, I'm am sorry, but so be it. No excuses, just the way it is. But I digress...

At the end of the day, offworld solutions are more appropriate for supporting our type of society. But how is that ever going to happen when we won't or can't spend resources to just get decent pictures, to say nothing of colonization, mining, etc??

[edit on 19-7-2009 by obilesk]

I don't think NASA is out to prove anything. The cost of a 500 million dollar surveying satellite was not put there to prove anything, but to do a job for future flights, so if the picture don’t meet your need to convience you that we went to the moon then I guess you can wait unit 2020. My one big observation is once you all finally get the proof needed to change your mind that we really did go there it seems so similar to me with the 911 crowed. When we go back it will be exciting times if anything to disprove endless mathematical calculations, theories and observations that for many is proof that we didn’t go. I see the same thing with the 911 group in after all their process the simplest answer is still the best and the right one.



[edit on 19-7-2009 by Xtrozero]

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The images we're seeing of the Apollo landing sites may be a bit deceptive because it's hard to tell exactly what we're looking at. The image of the Apollo 14 landing site has a resolution of a bit over 1 meter. The lander is about 3 meters across. We are actually seeing some pretty small items in this image.


In comparison, here is an image from the Ikonos satellite, with the same resolution.


www.space.com...

Does that help bring things into perspective? It looks like we're not seeing much in the lunar image because there isn't much to see. Color? well, the LROC does use various wavelengths so when it's in full operation we will probably be seeing some color too.

[edit on 7/19/2009 by Phage]

hehe, your photo is censored phage

apperently the name of a country in Africa beginning with N, capital is Lagos is censored

[edit on 19-7-2009 by conar]