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reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 01:55 AM by yiersan
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Is selective responding one of your style?
or is my English not good enough for you to understand my point?

and in a few posts back u were complaining and accusing me i was portraying you for calling china "evil"? guess i don't need to say more.



reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 01:58 AM by SLAYER69
Originally posted by yiersan
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post by SLAYER69


Is selective responding one of your style?
or is my English not good enough for you to understand my point?

and in a few posts back u were complaining and accusing me i was portraying you for calling china "evil"? guess i don't need to say more.




How am I calling them "Evil"


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 02:02 AM by yiersan
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your whole post was implying that man, don't play dumb, my English aint that bad yet ;-) it's fine you have your opinion though, it is also fine for selective responding (for example not responding to the article I provided to you about minorities rights in China etc). It is your rights to do so.


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 02:06 AM by nenothtu
Originally posted by yiersan
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post by SLAYER69


Is selective responding one of your style?
or is my English not good enough for you to understand my point?

and in a few posts back u were complaining and accusing me i was portraying you for calling china "evil"? guess i don't need to say more.




China isn't evil, China is great. COMMUNISM is evil!


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 02:14 AM by SLAYER69
Originally posted by yiersan
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post by SLAYER69



your whole post was implying that man, don't play dumb, my English aint that bad yet ;-) it's fine you have your opinion though, it is also fine for selective responding (for example not responding to the article I provided to you about minorities rights in China etc). It is your rights to do so.



That's another one of your problems this has very little to do with minority rights or employment. It has everything to do with lack of individuality. Building shiny new cities and buying fancy new cars are just material objects. They are no replacements for freedom for the masses. Was Tianamin square caused because of lack of minority rights? These are signs of a much deeper issue. One from within China. Your people are not stupid they see what the rest of the world not only has but what they are able to do. They want to join the rest of the world.

You know this isn't the only hot spot nor is it the first. There have been and will continue to be major unrest. It wont stop until the peoples wants are met not just their needs. So please the reason why you are seeing so much turmoil is because all the peoples of China have issues with being controlled in one way or another.

I should not have to remind you of the danger of a gilded cage.


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reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 05:19 AM by yiersan
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depends on what kind of communism, in the era of Mao it was devastating for the whole country and anyone living here, but today's communism has been long a cocktail of socialism, nationalism and capitalism. Even the national song lyrics are all about Chinese patriotism. The only bit communism I still really feel on the daily life is the favorism towards minorities, as if they are so worse off than Hans..... so is communism evil?




[edit on 9-7-2009 by yiersan]


reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 05:51 AM by yiersan
Originally posted by SLAYER69
That's another one of your problems this has very little to do with minority rights or employment. It has everything to do with lack of individuality. Building shiny new cities and buying fancy new cars are just material objects. They are no replacements for freedom for the masses. Was Tianamin square caused because of lack of minority rights? These are signs of a much deeper issue. One from within China. Your people are not stupid they see what the rest of the world not only has but what they are able to do. They want to join the rest of the world.

You know this isn't the only hot spot nor is it the first. There have been and will continue to be major unrest. It wont stop until the peoples wants are met not just their needs. So please the reason why you are seeing so much turmoil is because all the peoples of China have issues with being controlled in one way or another.

I should not have to remind you of the danger of a gilded cage.


[edit on 9-7-2009 by SLAYER69]


This is again something that a Westerner "THINKS" what a Chinese should think.

For sure, the over majority wants a better life, and more fairness, this is why corruption one of the bigger pest in this country should be wiped out, this is only one of the among hundreds if not thousands of other social issues which would need to be addressed for. This does not mean we need a Westerner to dictate what and how we should live and/or you can remotely come close to what the general consensus of the Chinese really thinks.

When I was flying from Shanghai to Frankfurt I had an interesting conversation with a German guy. He said the following in relation to the AIG bonus several months ago: "The big difference between China and the West, is that in the West when you cheat and steal from everyone, and it is publicly known, you will get even more rewards. At least in China when you cheat and steal from everyone, and it is publicly known, you will simply get the bullet literally". It happens during that time one of the Chinese Tycoon was caught for Fraud. And just last month the corrupted Shenzhen Mayor was also caught.

You know, one thing you are right, we do see what happens in the outside world, but if we want to join the mess what we all can see in USA/Europe? Nah, we better pass it by. Don't forget one thing, you like statistics so much anyhow, There are like over 1.3-1.4 billion Chinese, where as only 7 or 8%% or so is NON-Han, and we have only trouble with Tibetans and Uygurs who combined are like 14 million people only? Which is like plus minus 1% of the pop? Not to mention the inter-racial marriages going on a daily base? So, nah, we have a lesser problem with minorities than in the West I bet. As long as the the Hans are united, there is not much you can say or do to really disrupt our stability and development. And it was a extremely good sign that the Hans in Urumqi united and went on the street openly to show these terrorists our teeth and that we will not be overrun like what is going in the West.



reply posted on 9-7-2009 @ 10:31 AM by nenothtu
Originally posted by yiersan
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post by nenothtu



depends on what kind of communism, in the era of Mao it was devastating for the whole country and anyone living here, but today's communism has been long a cocktail of socialism, nationalism and capitalism. Even the national song lyrics are all about Chinese patriotism. The only bit communism I still really feel on the daily life is the favorism towards minorities, as if they are so worse off than Hans..... so is communism evil?




[edit on 9-7-2009 by yiersan]


There's only one kind of communism. The evil kind. So, to answer your question, YES.
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