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Records Of Pre-9/11 Nano-Energetic Materials Development, Nonexistent Or Destroyed

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posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 12:58 AM
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From Aidan Monaghan's blog.

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The Indian Head Division of the Naval Surface Warfare Center, (a branch of the Naval Sea Systems Command or NAVSEA), described in 1999 as the "national center for energetics"[1], "the only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the United States”[2] and in 2008 as "probably the most prominent US center for nano-thermite technology"[3], alleges via Freedom of Information Act replies that records "regarding research and development of nano-sized or Ultra Fine Grained (UFG) aluminum powders, nano-sized or Ultra Fine Grained (UFG) iron oxide powders or other metal oxide powders and Metastable Intermolecular Composites prior to 2002" do not exist. According to Indian Head, "research may have been conducted by Indian Head Division personnel but not submitted."


"...that only one company at the time of 2001 was capable
of making nano aluminum that would be used in
nanothermite.
And the records about any of that do not exist now,
having been destroyed..."


Another great link related to this story.
Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nano Thermites




posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 01:10 AM
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This does go to show the validity of that Danish Scientists report of nano thermite being in the WTC dust. No matter how you view the research done by the scientist you still must wonder how the heck did highly advanced nano thermite get into the samples at a time before nano thermite was developed.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by ExPostFacto
No matter how you view the research done by the scientist you still must wonder how the heck did highly advanced nano thermite get into the samples at a time before nano thermite was developed.



It was already developed at the the time of it's use - It was used on 9/11, therefore it had been developed before then.

These are non-commercially patented explosives, a tool to help win wars and could be described as 'advanced military technology'.

Many of the members of NIST actually helped develop this technology. They were investigating a crime scene that was created using their past work - so they covered it up.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 05:54 AM
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just to keep it interesting

Nanoscale Chemestry Yeilds Better Explosives

Energetic nanocomposites have a fuel component and an oxidizer component mixed together. One example is a gel made of an oxidizer with a fuel embedded in the pores of the gel. In one such material (termed a thermite pyrotechnic), iron oxide gel reacts with metallic aluminum particles to release an enormous amount of heat. "These reactions typically produce temperatures in excess of 3,500 degrees Celsius," says Simpson. Such thermites have traditionally been produced by mixing fine powders of metal oxides and metal fuels. "Conventionally, mixing these fine powders can result in an extreme fire hazard. Sol-gel methods can reduce that hazard while dispersing extremely small particles in a uniform way not possible through normal processing methods,"

[edit on 5-7-2009 by hgfbob]



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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So the people who were investigating the crime scene did not investigate the possibility of explosives being used were in fact involved in the creation of the high tech explosives suspected of bringing the buildings down. Which violates

first, the requirement of the national standard for
fire investigation (NFPA 921), which calls for testing related to thermite and other
pyrotechnics, and second, the extensive experience NIST investigators have with
explosive and thermite materials.


It's unbelievable, in your face deception...talk about a conflict of interest!!!!!


Here are the top ten reasons why nano-thermites, and nano-thermite coatings, should
have come to mind quickly for the NIST WTC investigators.
1. NIST was working with LLNL to test and characterize these sol-gel nanothermites,
at least as early as 1999 (Tillitson et al 1999).
2. Forman Williams, the lead engineer on NIST’s advisory committee, and the most
prominent engineering expert for Popular Mechanics, is an expert on the
deflagration of energetic materials and the “ignition of porous energetic
materials”(Margolis and Williams 1996, Telengator et al 1998, Margolis and
Williams 1999). Nano-thermites are porous energetic materials. Additionally,
Williams’ research partner, Stephen Margolis, has presented at conferences where
nano-energetics are the focus (Gordon 1999). Some of Williams’ other
colleagues at the University of California San Diego, like David J. Benson, are
also experts on nano-thermite materials (Choi et al 2005, Jordan et al 2007).
3. Science Applications International (SAIC) is the DOD and Homeland Security
contractor that supplied the largest contingent of non-governmental investigators
to the NIST WTC investigation. SAIC has extensive links to nano-thermites,
developing and judging nano-thermite research proposals for the military and
other military contractors, and developing and formulating nano-thermites
directly (Army 2008, DOD 2007). SAIC’s subsidiary Applied Ordnance
Technology has done research on the ignition of nanothermites with lasers
(Howard et al 2005).
In an interesting coincidence, SAIC was the firm that investigated the 1993 WTC
bombing, boasting that -- “After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, our blast
analyses produced tangible results that helped identify those responsible (SAIC
2004).” And the coincidences with this company don’t stop there, as SAIC was
responsible for evaluating the WTC for terrorism risks in 1986 as well (CRHC
2008). SAIC is also linked to the late 1990s security upgrades at the WTC, the
Rudy Giuliani administration, and the anthrax incidents after 9/11, through former
employees Jerome Hauer and Steven Hatfill.
4. Arden Bement, the metallurgist and expert on fuels and materials who was
nominated as director of NIST by President George W. Bush in October 2001,
was former deputy secretary of defense, former director of DARPA’s office of
materials science, and former executive at TRW.
Of course, DOD and DARPA are both leaders in the production and use of nanothermites
(Amptiac 2002, DOD 2005). And military and aerospace contractor
TRW has had a long collaboration with NASA laboratories in the development of
energetic materials that are components of advanced propellants, like nano-gelled
explosive materials (NASA 2001). TRW Aeronautics also made fireproof
composites and high performance elastomer formulations, and worked with
NASA to make energetic aerogels.
Additionally, Bement was a professor at Purdue and MIT. Purdue has a thriving
program for nano-thermites (Son 2008). And interestingly, at MIT’s Institute for
Soldier Nanotechnology, we find Martin Z. Bazant, son of notable “conspiracy
debunker” Zdenek P. Bazant (MIT 2008), who does research on granular flows,
and the electrochemical interactions of silicon. Zdenek P. Bazant is interested in
nanocomposites as well (Northwestern 2008), and how they relate to naval
warfare (ONR 2008). MIT was represented at nano-energetics conferences as
early as 1998 (Gordon 1998).
Bement was also a director at both Battelle and the Lord Corporation. Battelle
(where the anthrax was made) is an organization of “experts in fundamental
technologies from the five National Laboratories we manage or co-manage for the
US DOE.” Battelle advertises their specialization in nanocomposite coatings
(Battelle 2008). The Lord Corporation also makes high-tech coatings for military
applications (Lord 2008). In 1999, Lord Corp was working with the Army and
NASA on “advanced polymer composites, advanced metals, and multifunctional
materials” (Army 1999).
5. Hratch Semerjian, long-time director of NIST’s chemical division, was promoted
to acting director of NIST in November 2004, and took over the WTC
investigation until the completion of the report on the towers. Semerjian is
closely linked to former NIST employee Michael Zachariah, perhaps the world’s
most prominent expert on nano-thermites (Zachariah 2008). In fact, Semerjian
and Zachariah co-authored ten papers that focus on nano-particles made of silica,
ceramics and refractory particles. Zachariah was a major player in the Defense
University Research Initiative on Nanotechnology (DURINT), a groundbreaking
research effort for nano-thermites.
6. NIST has a long-standing partnership with NASA for the development of new
nano-thermites and other nano-technological materials. In fact, Michael
Zachariah coordinates this partnership (CNMM 2008).
7. In 2003, two years before the NIST WTC report was issued, the University of
Maryland College Park (UMCP) and NIST signed a memorandum of
understanding to develop nano-technologies like nano-thermites (NIST 2003).
Together, NIST and UMCP have done much work on nano-thermites (NM2
2008).
8. NIST has their own Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology (CNST 2008).
Additionally, NIST’s Reactive Flows Group did research on nanostructured
materials and high temperature reactions in the mid-nineties (NRFG 1996).
9. Richard Gann, who did the final editing of the NIST WTC report, managed a
project called “Next-Generation Fire Suppression Technology Program”, both
before and after 9/11. Andrzej Miziolek, another of the world’s leading experts
on nano-thermites (Amptiac 2002), is the author of “Defense Applications of
Nanomaterials”, and also worked on Richard Gann’s fire suppression project
(Gann 2002). Gann’s project was sponsored by DOD’s Strategic Environmental
Research and Development Program (SERDP), an organization that sponsored a
number of LLNL’s nano-thermite projects (Simpson 2002, Gash et al 2003).
10. As part of the Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer, NIST
partners with the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Indian Head (NSWC-IH) on
Chemical Science and Technology (FLCTT 2008). NSWC-IH is probably the
most prominent US center for nano-thermite technology (NSWC 2008). In 1999,
Jan Puszynski, a scientist working for the DURINT program, helped NSWC-IH
design a pilot plant to produce nano-size aluminum powder. It was reported that
“At that time, this was [the] only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the
United States” (SDSMT 2001), however, private companies like Argonide and
Technanogy were also known to have such capabilities.
Among an interesting group of contractors that NSWC-IH hired in 1999 were
SAIC, Applied Ordnance, Battelle, Booz Allen Hamilton, Mantech, Titan, Pacific
Scientific Energetic (see below), and R Stresau Laboratories for “demolition
materials” (NSWC 2000).
A tragic coincidence left William Caswell, an employee of NSWC-IH, dead on
the plane said to have hit the Pentagon (Flight 77). He had for many years
worked on “deep-black” projects at NSWC-IH (Leaf 2007).
The presence of Pacific Scientific Energetics (PSE) in this list of 1999 NSWC-IH
contractors is interesting because PSE was the parent company of Special Devices, Inc
(SDI). SDI specializes in explosives for defense, aerospace and mining applications, and
was acquired in 1998 by John Lehman, 9/11 Commissioner, member of the Project for a
New American Century, and former Secretary of the Navy (SDI 2008). Lehman divested
in 2001.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:52 AM
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reply to post by Leo Strauss
 


But, but, but....just ask any of the CT sites, they swear that the explosives were built in as the buildings were beng constructed in the 1970s!!! It was 'painted' on to the steel girders. Or, was it planted in the walls behind the dryboard? Maybe in the A/C ducting, that's it! Under the concrete in the floor pans...everywhere!!! It's a conspiracy!!!

They KNOW this, because it was on a "Get Smart" episode!!!

KAOS, I tells ya! KAOS!



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 10:11 AM
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Weed,
You can do better than that! I bet you didn't even read the thread let alone the links! Thanks for the bump though...this is important and I hope others will take the time to read the article.

You did not address a single point raised in the original post.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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reply to post by Leo Strauss
 


Actually (you're welcome, BTW
) I was peeking in and following this thread from time to time:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think it pretty well discounts 'thermite' fairly conclusively, but I'm no expert.

Did see the 'MythBusters' video --- they put bags of thermite, 1,000 pounds of it, on the roof of an SUV, and ignited it, hoping to cleave the car in half. Didn't work.....it got real hot, melted some of the roof....

So...after glancing at your OP's links, I thought my time is better served elsewhere. Have fun!!



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Leo Strauss
 


Actually (you're welcome, BTW
) I was peeking in and following this thread from time to time:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think it pretty well discounts 'thermite' fairly conclusively, but I'm no expert.

Did see the 'MythBusters' video --- they put bags of thermite, 1,000 pounds of it, on the roof of an SUV, and ignited it, hoping to cleave the car in half. Didn't work.....it got real hot, melted some of the roof....

So...after glancing at your OP's links, I thought my time is better served elsewhere. Have fun!!


On the other hand, Jesse Ventura is one of the most character assassinated members of "the truth movement" and he did military cd for a living. Im positive he could chop an suv into 6 degrees of seperation using less than the 'mythbusters'.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Leo Strauss
 

Did see the 'MythBusters' video --- they put bags of thermite, 1,000 pounds of it, on the roof of an SUV, and ignited it, hoping to cleave the car in half. Didn't work.....it got real hot, melted some of the roof....

So...after glancing at your OP's links, I thought my time is better served elsewhere. Have fun!!


The mythbusters thing doesn't sound very scientific. You've given it your approval which really doesn't give me any confidence in your judgement about thermite being "debunked". The evidence is getting stronger and stronger and Leo, I have to say, thanks very much for this. (nice handle btw.) The links between NIST and nanothermites are particularly interesting... and it's again a strange coincidence that Steven Hatfill (who is my personal pick for the Anthrax Terrorist) worked for SAIC.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
I think it pretty well discounts 'thermite' fairly conclusively, but I'm no expert.

Please tell me how words on a screen in that thread can discount thermite "fairly conclusively"? And you're correct, you're not an expert and neither are most of us here. But the scientists with "doctor" in their name are experts and the experiments were done in labs and more than once, which = repeatable.

Now, until several scientists with "doctor" in their name can take the same samples and prove in a lab that the chips are not thermite, then that would be "fairly conclusive". I have yet to question your skills and experience as a pilot, so why don't you stop questioning other professional scientists' skills and experience because you don't want to believe in a conspiracy, fair enough?



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