Originally posted by RobertPaulsim
If we are just creatures, it will be an awful waste of dreams and creation.
Peace,
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RP
I am not religious. I am only partially spiritual, of late. But even I don't really buy into this philosophy.
As far as we've been able to scientifically prove, life is rare..
Everything in the universe that has occurred to allow us to be here with open minds and self-awareness (consciousness) to have a discussion just as this..has occurred almost too perfectly. What are really the chances of such a planet as earth creating and/or nurturing primitive forms of life from outer space during such a chaotic time in our planet's history, through mass extinction events, through all the asteroid and meteorite impacts, through all the megavolcanoes and pole shifts only for life to continue to evolve and become more complex over time?
I am not a creationist. Therefore, I believe that nature probably really does have the power to create a universe like ours.. Especially when you consider the possibility of trillions and/or infinite other similar universes all floating around out there with intelligent life of their own. There are likely going to be forces at work in such an immense multidimensional realtiy that could potentially create events like our big-bang.. The idea that "god" is a prerequisite for such a creation event is a pretty big assumption. Call me a scientist.. I just give nature alot more credit than to assume it couldn't create an event such as the big-bang.
Much more powerful forces are at work in nature than we know of or can directly/indirectly quantify or qualify at this point. The paranormal is a great example..
Or how about Quantum entanglement/ non-locality.. The Zero Point field. We are really on the cusp of some amazing discoveries here!
But still.. Everything has occurred perfectly for us to be here. Had the universe expanded too quickly after the big-bang it would have expanded forever and galaxies wouldnt' ever have been able to form. If it hadn't expanded quickly enough, it would have simply collapsed back onto itself and our universe would've ended just about as quickly as it began. But, yet.. we are here.. In the early universe, elementary particles came into existence from, seemingly, nothing. Where did they originally come from if the early universe was devoid of them to begin with?
It just goes to show that even in mainstream science there are aspects of astronomy and cosmology that defy all logic. But that still doesn't mean there aren't very rational explanations for the things we don't understand. And these explanations don't necessarily have anything to do with god. Maybe all black holes have white holes in which black holes of today vacuumed up all these elementary particles, sent them back in time through a wormhole only to "spit them out" of a white hole in the early universe. There are lots of possibilities people just don't think to comprehend when it comes to explaining the unknown.
I find a belief in "God" as a symptom of the human condition. And it usually involves fear as a means of a self-fulfilling prophecy of faith and human spiritual ideaologies. For example, Fear of being alone in the universe, Fear of there NOT being a god or creator, Fear of letting your family down by not converting, Fear of not understanding how we really came to be here on this planet under such unlikely of circumstances. People usually find "God" at a time in their lives when they are looking for him the most. Not necessarily because he exists.. But because people need to believe in such things because they feel a deep need to understand the universe, have a fulfilling sense of purpose, and understand why we are here. Personally, I don't think we should be writing off nature as having the power to create life. That wouldn't really make sense.
When people believe they are "talking to god" or "feeling at one with god", they might just be sensing a connectedness of the universe itself through such means as the zero point field, quantum entanglement, or "novelty theory" (by this I mean time itself as being projected by the collective human subconscious).
People had faith in god hundreds of years ago because they used religion and spirituality as the means which they explained purpose, life, the unknown, and the universe in general. People back then really didn't put alot of faith in science. Go on Wikipedia and look up "Heliocentric theory" and see what happened to Nicholas Copernicus during the Spanish Inquisition to see what I'm talking about.
I'm not saying we should consider science a religion. I'm just saying that pointing at God to explain everything we don't understand doesn't make sense when we don't fully understand our universe yet.
-ChriS
Our immunities are lower than ever, our governments, communities, and economies are breaking down. New cancers and diseases are
popping up faster than we are curing them. We don't know how to raise our own kids. We look for outside help in everything we do, or we find a
scapegoat for every mistake we make. Humans won't be at the top of the food chain much longer (if we ever truly were). We are so dependent on
technology that one day it will fail and the apes will be more prepared for the new world than we are!!
There you go, another view of nature opens to you. 
has been known to help themself to a piece of apple or carrot also if you
leave it out on the picnic table to go in and get something. 
