well we all know that apes are omniphore... they like a steak!

It's happened before and it will happen again, hope they do a better job this time around..

Ok ok ok..

We are primates!

Why is it so hard to believe that other primates would use spears?

I mean really. What makes you think that a fellow primate couldn't invent a spear or a method of spear fishing / hunting?

UMMM HELLOOO! We did that many years ago. Why couldn't a chimp? ANOTHER PRIMATE!

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Frankly, i do not trust the idea that chimps never sat in the pond. And it is known that great apes can use tools. It is different thing to hunt with a spear then to crash a nut between two rocks, but i did not see a spear hunt, just chimp with a stick.
So far i saw nothing extraordinary, but i have to admit that i watched only beginning of the video. If there are phalanxes of marching chimps with spears, consider me wrong.

Exactly what I wanted to say!

Originally posted by wiredamerican
I believe we give our primate relatives less credit than is due. Or any other living being for this matter. The only reason humans are so advanced is we figured out how to educate the young with knowledge passed down from generation to generation.

If the monkeys started passing down more and more info, I believe they would be perfectly capable of feats such as us humans have experienced.

And the big question is, what if they have been passing this memory language system of knowledge from generations down, but we are not advanced enough to notice it.

I agree, we have never gave any creature its due credit. All the test we do on animals to find out if there smart, like us or anything we will never know; just because what they do seems stupid to us does not mean that there is not a purpose for it.

Some primates besides Humans have been known to pass down traits such as how to use sticks in a certain way to get what you want and things of that nature.

Sometimes I think we are the stupid creatures because we make stuff complicated when there is no need for it to be.

I wonder what animals really think of us because its probably nowhere near what we guess it to be.

Nonhuman animals probably think the same of us as we do them stupid creatures who know nothing of whats going on around them.

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Monkeys are not connected to us, we are not native to this planet, monkeys are..

This is my belief anyway, I hate this planet. Im never comin back here again, cant wait to die..

I call this planet, the land of pure ignorance..

The more we learn of the true nature of non-human animals, especially those with complex brains and corresponding complex social behavior, the more ethical concerns are raised regarding their use in the service of man -- whether this be in entertainment, as "pets," for food, in research laboratories, or any of the other uses to which we subject them. -- Jane Goodall

Great vid, man.

As far as evolution goes - im inclined of alien intervention.

Maybe inteligent life has its own ways (exacly like the 'scientist' who
posted on page 4) and yes takes time, takes IMHO several leaps with
climate changes, food changes and the whole theory.

This must happen, because aliens evolved that way, and the
reason im buying the whole alien thing is because of the moon and
every report on the moon concludes its NOT possible to have that in orbit
(and its elementals are not from 'natural' earth)... if you dont buy that,
read Jim Mars on the book above top secret from some serious thesis
confrontation.

(Some say the history of the world is corrupted, as atlantis was an alien
base here and got mix with the natives... this does not sound soo far
fetch to me, with all the science we have today, it wouldnt be impossible,
just not ethical..)

And i hope some scientists start to really open their minds as the
body is just a vessel for the conscience.

If we are just creatures, it will be an awful waste of dreams and creation.

Peace,

[]´s
RP

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Wow, thanks for that....What an incredibly fascinating series, revealing some amazing things about apes... S&F!

Sometimes I wonder if there is a secondary evolution of apes to man that is happening right before our very eyes. And if that is the case, and apes are evolving into man for the second time (or maybe even the 100th time?), then I have to wonder what are humans evolving into?

Maybe we will be their guides from above after apes will take our place, then we can make the same mistakes our former aides, guides or helpers did while trying to help us, then probably history will repeat itself.. and we will all risk having one hell of a ride again.

Life is never boring!

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I watched it, and regardless of whether it's happened before or not, it's still an amazing find. I've always been of the mind that we evolved from primates, so it's not surprising. And even animals are known to learn, use tools, and conquer fears. My dogs do it, why not chimps?

Hey OP, you need to put your opening post message in quotes. I thought what was in it was your original comments, but it's actually direct dialogue from the video itself. Without quotes, I think it's plagiarism.