Arnie to Abbadon

Is Arnold the Angel of the Bottomless pit from revelations?
What if Arnold is the next president?

I know what your saying, he can't be because was not born in America, but niether was Obama (Go to gcnlive.com... and scroll down to mp3 File: 0618093 Friday, 19 June 2009 9:58 a.m.). Allready people are making justifications for Obama being Both Foreign and The President. Which leaves the door open for Arnie to swoop in, in the 2012 election.


Revelation 9: 11

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Arnolds original claim to fame was placing first in the "Mt Olympia" (body Building) competition. Mt Olmpia relates to the home of the greek Gods, including apollo, or as he has also been known, Apollyon.

APOLLO From Greek Απολλων (Apollon), which is of unknown meaning, though perhaps related to Indo-European *apelo meaning "strength"

Arnold in his first movie "Hercules Goes Bananas" (again harking back to the greek gods) he is credited as "arnold Strong".

Arnold has talked about his dream of being a Dictator like Hitler, or a really famous person like Jesus. To Arnold credit he does seem to get what ever he dreams of and Apollo fits both descriptions.


Revelation 9: 10

And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

I beleive this verse could relate to vaccines. Obamas health care is already being called eugenics, what happens if the reigns get handed to a guy who espouses eugenics in his films? (twins for example)

I also found out that Arnold means "Eagle Power" which seems appropriate when you realize the ties he has to both american and NAZI political power, both of whom use the Eagle as their symbol.

And by the way whether or not arnold is foretold of in the Bible or not he is a brain-permantently-altered-through-steroid-usage, racist, sexual preditor, gay porno star, eugenics motivated, NAZI.

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ok for 1, Obama's birth certificate isnt a forgery, otherwise it wouldve been proven by now seeing how much people hate him. Or at the very least he had a convincing enough one to last this long. if its irrefutably proven hes not from the USA he will get the boot.

second arnold schwar- im not even going to bother trying to spell, cant even argue that hes from america in any way, so he cant produce one convincing enough to make it to presidency. Plus im not sure he would want it, not even with the pristine condition things are in now. (sarcasm)

Breaking down your theory
1)youre claiming an austrian (or wherever hes from) guy is a pit angel or something from the bible
2)you make tenuous connections to the bible, an inaccurate book that makes wild claims
3)in said book, Abbaddon is a pit angel who is also called Appollyon. Also known as Appollo (not sure if thats factually correct but im giving you the benefit of the doubt). Appollo lived at Mt. Olympia with 11 of other gods (from what i remember) but you picked appollo because your theory relies heavily on this.
4) all of this ties to arnold because he won a strongest man contest called Mt. Olympia

wouldnt he be better described as Hercules?

and your connection with the bible (as thin as they are), wouldnt that make him Appollo: "God of music, medicine, health, prophecies, poetry, and archery. Also said to be the god of light and truth. Is associated with the sun. Also referred to as the most handsome of the gods." that last part actually made me laugh
(the appollo description is from wikipedia en.wikipedia.org...)

sorry if i came across harsh, i didnt mean to be too mean or anything, its just being as straightforward as possible to cut down on the size of the response. sorry for it being so long.



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I starred you zombietest, not only because I agree with you but because of the Kerowac (spelling is terrible) reference.

But, Apollo would be appropriate simply because he was the strongest man alive and was considered the model of athleticism. He even had a training program for boys. I think it was a 7 year program?
I do love mythology =)

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thanks for the star! i give you one for correcting my hercules remark. im a bit rusty on greek mythology.

even if arnold did link to appollo, how does Strongest Being in Existence (appollo) turn into Abbaddon! Guy who uh...watches a hole in the ground? i really need to research that demotion. mustve gotten the bosses daughter pregnant or something...

It would be like living in a movie .... The year 2012(!) and Arnie is in charge! Too much too much!!

Oh, ya know. Apollo and Minerva, those two always at it =)

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The Bible says that the Fallen angles where "the Mighty Men of old, Men of reknown".

It is these same beings that mingled themselves with men which lead to the whole gene pool being corrupted except for Noah and his family. Which of coarse lead to the flood.

Remember the Devil and his angles can appear as beings of light.

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There is a difference between strength and muscle Hypotrophy.

Hypotrophy is about size and shape and the ascethitics of the muscle.
Strength is simply Strength.

Apollo/Apollyon was all about the Phsyche if my understanding is correct.
Hercules was the strongest.

Your statement that Arnold was the worlds strongest man is far from correct. Arnolds athleticism was purely visual, he actually lifted relatively light wieghts even within bodybuilding.

So far no one has given any credible refutation of my original premice.
But I'm waiting.

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest

wouldnt that make him Appollo: "God of music, medicine, health, prophecies, poetry, and archery. Also said to be the god of light and truth. Is associated with the sun. Also referred to as the most handsome of the gods."


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The gods of Mt olypia are actually Fallen angles, Arians, Bene Elohim, whatever you want to call them. They where revered in the ancient days and over time there factual existance has snow balled into mythology. But perhaps the original incarnation of Apollo dedicated his efforts to music and archery and peotry. Rather than Acting ,politics, real estate, and body building etc.

Originally posted by StopComplaining
reply to post by Mr Headshot

 

There is a difference between strength and muscle Hypotrophy.

Hypotrophy is about size and shape and the ascethitics of the muscle.
Strength is simply Strength.

Apollo/Apollyon was all about the Phsyche if my understanding is correct.
Hercules was the strongest.

Your statement that Arnold was the worlds strongest man is far from correct. Arnolds athleticism was purely visual, he actually lifted relatively light wieghts even within bodybuilding.

Well, see there's a pretty big difference between Apollo and Herc. Apollo was 100% god, Herc wasn't. Herc DID preform many amazing demonstrations of physical strength, like holding the earth on his shoulders for a short time, but the problem with the roman/greek mythos is the gargantuan number of contridictions and discrepencies. It's generally accepted, though, that Apollo was the most physically fit. Besides, why are you arguing against your point?
I never said Arnold was the strongest, I do understand what you're saying about strength and muscle mind you, I said Apollo was and most people associate Arnold with strongman competitions.

Apollo was supposed to be the ideal man. Mind and body physically fit. The dude pulled the sun around for fun...

This whole debate is dumb though, you can't refute something that is
1. Not logically sound or sourced
2. Pure conjecture and assumption.

This whole debate is dumb though, you can't refute something that is
1. Not logically sound or sourced
2. Pure conjecture and assumption.

I would think that would make it easier to refute.

Are you saying that my argument is simultaneously wrong and irrefutable?
Thats a bit of a situation.

I think I can be forgiven for speculating given that I put this in the skunk works section. Its not like I am speculating with other peoples money or anything.

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If I said something like
"The air you breathe is simply the fart of god"
could you disprove that even though it's not logically sound and obviously wrong?
You could say what the air is made of, but that wouldn't disprove me.

See what I'm saying?

And I'm not attacking you for speculating, I'm just saying that you're simply wrong.
Give me a source about Apollo being Abadon or whatever. (I saw you removed that bit from your OP)
So basically your entire argument is based around the notion that all the Olympian gods were fallen angels and, by default, evil; and that Arnold, since he "said he wants to be a dictator" (which you don't provide sources for, along with the gay porno, sexist, racist, Nazi thing; none of which you provide sources for) is Apollo, who some how is now the angel of a bottomless pit, and this fallen angel is somehow related to Satan/the Antichrist?
Please correct me if I'm wrong ok?

I'll debate this while assuming (falsely assuming) your thesis is logically sound.
1. How are the fallen angels now connected to Satan? They weren't in the bible, nor in the book of Enoch.
2. Why would Apollo be the pit angel instead of Pluto or something.
3. How did you come to the conclusion that the gods of Greek/Roman myth were all evil and not simply the imaginative wanderings of pre-christian minds. Surely you can't blame them for not being christian, it wasn't around for the bulk of the reign of the Olympian gods. You'd also have to account for the thousands of other brands of paganism, not the least of which (Egyptian) Christianity has a humongous base in.

Well if all the earth was destroyed by a flood and Noah and his family were the only ones to survive then the religous teachings of Noah would be the original teachings that all people would have had access to in one form or another.

"the mighty men of old" are said to have existed before the flood and after. They are said to be locked up in some sort of hedes, prison realm, but they can can reincarnate. That is how they existed pre and post flood. They can enter into humanity via genetic tinckering. They can also impregnate women.

Originally posted by Mr Headshot
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1. How are the fallen angels now connected to Satan? They weren't in the bible, nor in the book of Enoch.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Bible 101, I can only conclude that you have read very little of the Bible and probably none of the Book of Enoch. Yet you are willing to state what is abscent from both, as though you have a omnipotent understanding of every jot and tittle of scripture.

3. How did you come to the conclusion that the gods of Greek/Roman myth were all evil and not simply the imaginative wanderings of pre-christian minds.

Because the Bible talks about these characters as being the of spring of fallen angles.

All over the world people in Occult systems have been obsessed with creating Ubermans, in order to recreate the Gods/Arians/Supermen. Either that or they aim to impregnate a women with a powerful spirit in order to create some sort of false messiah.

For example the NAZI's sent an experdition to Tibet looking for the Ubermans that Blavatsky (luciferian theosophist) talked about. Hitler built his bunker on a Mystical mountain (Mt. Utensburg?) in order to use the spiritual forces said to be harnessed there (Myths of goblins, Nordics, Aliens etc.).

These things never end well, they all lead to destruction. It is the broad path, not the straight and narrow.

Anyway you might want to try the book Nephilim Stargate by tom horn, in order to get some reference for what I am saying.

Tom Horn does not endorse the Idea that arnold is a fallen angle from the pit of hell, but he talks a lot about fallen angles.

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I have not bothered to read the entire thread but I just wanted to tell you,
I agree and it's merely a hunch. He is evil and powerful. IMO he is the anti christ if there is such a thing as I am not into the bible.