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Originally posted by trace_the_truth
It's not illegal to hang a flag upside down.
....Just not very good ideas.
"Freedom of speech" these days is really being debased. It is NOT an excuse for lack of common sense, reason, intelligence, or the understand that your "expression" has a real, sometimes VIOLENT affect on other people.
"Freedom of speech" DOES NOT protect you from being attacked by someone who doesn't agree with you! As a matter of fact, the repercussion to your freedom of speech HAVE NOTHING to do with your freedom of speech. There does not exist 1 JUDGE for every 3 people in America to monitor our alleged "freedom."
It might be nice to have an intelligent JUDGE, JURY, and EXECUTIONER to clean up the streets, but until then you have to PROVE your FREEDOM in a COURT of LAW, AFTER THE FACT!!! AFTER YOU'VE BEEN MISTREATED BY SOME SCHMUCK LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. AFTER YOU'VE BEEN BEATEN BY A PSYCHO, and AFTER YOU'VE HAD YOUR HOUSE BURNED DOWN.
Sure, what the cop did was ILLEGAL, but that doesn't tie in to "Freedom of speech" AT ALL. If the cop respected freedom of speech, he would have acted LEGALLY. He was OUT OF BOUNDS OF THE LAW.. just like everyone else who attacks you when you say something stupid.
"Freedom of speech" doesn't protect you from people acting illegally after you say what you feel you have to say, haha. It seems many of you don't understand this.
You know the only place "Freedom of speech" is going to be on your side?
In the court room, after you pay the money for the lawyer, after you've been arrested, after you've been physically beaten, after you've wasted your time... because any speech that doesn't result in such a journey, obviously society and/or government doesn't really care about it anyway! The only time freedom of speech ever comes into question is something like this happens, and it always wins - but it certainly doesn't win by default, does it?
These people got exactly what they were asking for if you ask me. What goes around comes around; you reap what you sow.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Reading the 1st amendment, It's absurd that ANYONE is even attempting to tie what this couple did with the 1st amendment.
Congress didn't attack this couple! lol. Congress didn't come in their house and make a law on the spot, lol. Congress didn't DO ANYTHING AT ALL. It was just a crazy person.
It's like people here read the first amendment and change it to something like this in a delusion:
"You can say and express whatever you want, wherever you want with no repercussions. Under the magical spell of this amendment, which now directly controls the consciousness of everyone in America... nobody will ever be able to physically attack you, and no police officers can falsely arrest you for saying or expression whatever you want."
... but, in this case, the 1st amendment did EXACTLY what it was created to do: give you retroactive freedom of speech.
Anyways, everyone worth their salt knows that the first amendment was created so that speech and expression can be monitored if it begins to manifest other illegal activity. If altercations like this flag thing keep happening, then the form of expression will become ILLEGAL for the protection of the ignorant monkeys.
Who made you the 'idea' police? What don't you understand about the freedom and the ability to be allowed to protest? Not to mention the NECESSITY.
What you suggest is that we all lay low and follow 'the man' so that we don't stir the pot and be good little robots as to not attract attention. HELLO, that is what they want us to do too.
Yes lets worry about it becoming illegal (which it has already been debated and lost) and cower in our homes because God forbid trace the truther doesn't want us getting silly 'ideas'. Ideas are stupid and no one should even consider them, we aren't capable nor good enough to even try. Lets all bow to the flag and the 'smart people' that own us and let them do all the cool idea-thinkin. They are like Gods that create everything good.
Originally posted by Pappa_Bear
reply to post by badmedia
You sir should read all my post, yo would find then that you do not know what you are talking about and therfore have shown great bias in something you know nothing about.
I have served in battle with thse troops I support, and I have never stated I am patriotic, in fact I stated just the opposite. Supporting our troops, and supporting our constitution and the symbology of our flag and what it represents is of greater importance than being patriotic. So sir before opening mouth and insering foot, please read all my post in this topic.
especialy after one of them tries to get them to take it down as it deeply disturbed him.
There are much better ways to get the message across that our nation is in trouble than to blatantly show disrespect to our soldiers as they did
After several attempts from police and military members asking that they take it down and flat refusing and laughing about it now is completely unforgiveable.....don't confuse patriotism with blatant disrespect to fellow citizens who have faught hard and felt hurt by their disrespect not so much to the flag but to the soldiers themselves.....Or better yet aks the soldiers how they could fly the flag without showing disrespect to the soldier but still get their message across
They're lucky I wasn't their neighbor.
I think they got off to easy and deserve to be on a real terrorist list.
So, why are they lucky you weren't their neighbor? What you are saying when you say that is you would have done things much worse to them.
Originally posted by Pappa_Bear
In answer to your question:
First I would have wnet to them and tried to find a different way , as I agree with the idea of what they were trying to get across, I just personaly don't agree with the method. After that I would have went to them everyday to ask them to stop flying the flag in that manner, I'm sure that would have tried to say that was harrassment, they seem to feel it was harrassment when by their admission they were asked 4 time by 4 different people to stop.
As far as my feeling that they deserve to be on a real terrorist list is the what i feel is inappropriate behavior they exhibited when approached peacefully about the situation.