I have bad news for the UFO disclosure crowd.

Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by ocker

 

Very interesting, I will have to read up on this after my flight. (Just posting to get this on my thread box)

enjoy your flight.

the existance of live on other planet only opens 'what if scenario's'. For the avarage Joe, life on other planets is not important unless it influances their own lives in a noticable way that is so certain and obvious that it can not be denied.

Secret service exists and many people don't care much about them either, even if they know it exists. humans tend to 'not care' for things if it doesn't effect their life noticably and visably. It's as simple as that.

You can ask 'avarage Joe' about alien life and he will not respond seriously. Simple because existance of aliens does not matter regardless if it is present or not, simply because they don't notice it and thus don't care for it. The same goes for things like god, secret services and any ingrediances with an 'e' in front of it made out of stuff people find repulsive.

Discloslosure will not happen regardless what people here want or the real situation is. As long as avarge Joe isn't bothered with it noticably, there is no reason to disclosure anything. If and alien UFO crashes in New York and destroys half of the city, THEN they will disclosure and not earlier.

As far as disclosure goes, I truly do not believe that there is any source that can be believed in relation to the 'core story'. It's a matter of taking someone at their word. There is no document that cannot be forged, no image that cannot be manipulated, no one person that cannot be coerced or brainwashed.

Even if you sat down with an alien themselves, could you really believe what they told you? How does one know that they are telling the truth, or the truth so far as it serves them and their agenda? Or how about this one... complete fabrication?

How then can we trust the word of contactee's if they are actually being contacted? How do we know that they simply haven't been 'gotten to'?

When they spin stories of our 'space brothers' (such a warm and fuzzy term) that are just here to help us, to heal the planet, to elevate our consciousness, to stop us from using nukes on each other... how do we know it's not just a shell game so we drop our guard... the proverbial wolf in sheeps clothing? How do we know that they aren't just exploiting our fundamental weaknesses? Our core belief in a benevolent higher entity or power than only has our best interests in mind?

I say, be weary of any one person that proclaims to have the answers... and there are many of them present in the UFO's & Aliens forum. Take them with a grain of salt. By all means consider the many options and opinions - but do not bank on one of them.

Disclosure and the truth... the 'core story' is a highly amorphous and subjective animal.

IRM

[edit on 24/6/09 by InfaRedMan]

reply to post by mystiq

No not are own government, killing its own population dont be ridiculous! But I guess I do need to clarify; as im sure alot already know the govt has had contingency plans in place since the first atomic bomb, have you ever heard of Green Brier? What it is is a nuclear blast shelter built right under every ones nose into a resort. It is not for "us" it is for the highest members of the govt. This is one that was built in I believe the 50s (Im sure someone on here knows for sure) This is the year 2009 and Im sure most know are capabilities in that regard have grown immensely! There is reason to believe we have a vast underground network of tunnels, living space, and so one. NORAD is built right into the side of a mountain, as Im sure everyone knows. And that has been what has been disclosed! Now I am some one who actually defends our govt from time to time and believe they have plans to save as much of the population as they can. But on the surface as we have known for years is going to be a wasteland for some time. I have no Idea how this is going to start, but all armies use the concept of divide and conquer. During the cold war both America and the USSR thought they received readings that the other had launched a nuke, but this turned out to be false (thank god) due to "something mysterious" look it up if you want, and this is just one of many instances of UFO and Nuke bases, ever heard of Rendlesham Forest? What I am saying is that first they will turn Nation against Nation or at least attempt to, and then they will actually have to use there own hardware against us. We have advanced much quicker than they ever expected, and know if they dont act soon they may loose this very critical location. On top of all that as on Earth the intergalactic situation is very complex, think about it during the cold war, WW2 ect. the exact same species of human had completely different views and where tyring to defeat the other, and such is the galactic-political situation, but times 1000 at least. I have know idea what is going to go down. I only have a good Idea as to what the contingency plan is! I see how what I said could be interpreted the way you said, but understand "starting from scratch" is the end result and a very possible worse case scenario that is WW3 with one party not even from this W! Im not saying that the govt is going to purposely wipe out its own people! I know where you are coming from with the hybrid leaders and other NWO type things. I can tell you understand the true complexity of all this. You are right all one can do is to pray or meditate, and cleanse ones soul. alot of the future may be out of control, but if we could pinpoint and bring to justice the infiltrators our odds will be much better. We need those who have genuine abilities to help bring them to light.


[edit on 24-6-2009 by Dredulous]

Is there intelligent (aware) life beyond us?
Mathematical odds (Drake equation) says billions.

Are any of them here now?
1,000 hoaxes can't disprove it. It only takes one real evidence to make it true. Well, I think the answer is yes.

Do we need Obama to disclose UFO files?
I don't think. But it would be nice
What we need is for them to show up, so we can talk to them face to face.

Are they good or bad?
Depends on how we define goodness. Ultimately is a philosophical answer, but any action that preserves the race is good, and if they've been here for sometime and we're not extinct I guess they're good

reply to post by Truthunter

Yes I like your open mindedness, you will be prepared. The fact is there are millions that have met them face to face and pray you are not one of them! I like getting philosophical and I have to come at you from another angle. Are we good for cattle? We take care of them, but we also slaughter them for our own needs. You did say anything that preserves a race must be good. First as with anyone who is starting to believe one must understand there is more than just one alien group or species, when Columbus discovered the new world, he discovered only a fraction. Thus we may very well have received "help" from certain ETs throughout our history and there is much evidence of this, however that does not mean it is the same ones that abduct and ruin the lives of others. We are but one of many nations of many races on this planet, and as the scale goes up so does the variables.


[edit on 24-6-2009 by Dredulous]

Point taken with cattle, I know is over simplified. But I meant race more than just a specie, some “body” that can argue on good vs. evil.
Although I can’t prove or disprove it, after connecting dots and using common sense I find it hard to believe that we’re enslaved by a superior civilization. I have no doubts that there are groups of people in control of masses for their own benefit yes.
A race technologically more advanced than us should be spiritually higher also, or they would just kill each other as we probably would now with their technology.
Besides, what is their return on investment for slavering us? What’s in it for them?

Originally posted by mystiq
reply to post by Dredulous

 

Which is going to be so complicated we wont even know who are enemies are at the end! thats why the govt is basically planing on "starting from scratch" meaning Alien and humans alike will be wiped out and only a fraction of the populace will remain!

The government plans on wiping out all humans, killing the humans and ets, to prevent something, far less worse than that...
...
They're coming all right. And soon. What we need to understand in all of this is that, this world is shared, its not even our own so to speak... They are renegade hybrids themselves!

Believe me, the answers to these questions would fill a book.

Just to clarify, when you talk about "Because its not something they are able to do, murder even one person (I know they have don't get me wrong, but its not ALLOWED, underscored to infinity and beyond, not allowed. And the crime is beyond imagination!)" you are talking about the non-human factions on Earth.

Modern religion has led its followers to believe that there is only one life to live. What better way to make slaves of people then to get them to think that "this is it" and "don't die young" or if you didn't accomplish something "great" your life had no meaning.

It's interesting (to me) that only those entities living in Duality have Spirit Guides, Guardian Angels, etc. I.e., all humans. The non-Duality entities (whether Dark, Neutral or Light -- which basically means they don't, might or do believe in a "Prime Creator") don't. In fact, some may actually be your Spirit Guides, etc. These entities know the "Universal Laws" and that no one ceases to exist, they just change energetic form and may or may not advance to a higher dimension (closer to "God").

Humans have Duality, so engaging in both Light and Dark experiences has been part of the "process", so to speak, and that includes murder. You can not know what it is really like to live the life of a Saint, unless you have also lived the life of a sinner. That's what reincarnation, over-and-over, into Duality has brought to the process. A chance to experience Light and Dark in all forms, so as to enhance the Soul's "resume", so to speak, for the jobs ahead.

The "thing" coming down the pike has less to do with humans and more to do with the entity we call "Mother Earth". The last time this opportunity came about was ~56 million years ago. The opportunity was missed then, and the time before. This opportunity will NOT be missed.

Humans, on the other hand, have been given many opportunities to live lives based on the Golden Rules, so to speak. Like Lemuria and the first two stages of Atlantis, we have always ultimately ended up destroying our selves.

Ultimately, in this latest cycle there were plans that NO humans would receive any benefit from the "thing": they would simply cease to exist ever again on this 3D homeworld. Duality would come to end and there would be no more "mother" to "birth" humans.

Whatever happens, one thing we can be certain of is that we "humans" will eventually, by one means or another, leave this fleshy body and move on. The base core, your "Soul" energy so to speak, does not cease to exist if you "die" on Earth.

However, just like the 100 Monkeys Effect, a reasonably small number of humans can "Awaken" and shine enough light that "others" can see they still exist and may be worthy of help. This in not a "punishment" for humans, it's a "reward" for Mother Earth.

Think of 2012 like a college. You have 3.5 years to study, research and practice the "curriculum" you need to follow to be able to graduate. If you fail, then just like college, you will not graduate with the "Class of 2012". However, in this case, the college you will attend by failing will be on another planet and you will have to work harder and longer to graduate there.

On a sightseeing trip through NM I stopped into Dulce just to see what the stories were all about.

Here's what I saw:

A lot of Jicarilla Apache buying gas and groceries.
A small Best Western Hotel with a casino full of inebriated locals and truck drivers.
Some roads in serious need of repair.
A Mesa with tv, radio and cell towers.
A really nice, brand new High School.
A park dedicated to the history of native american and mexican founders.
Beautiful landscapes and scenery.

That's about it.

Even though I've heard the stories from other posters on this forum, I don't haven any reason to believe there's more than meets the eye here. Dulce is on a route across the top of NM (hwy 64) and some of the most beautiful scenery this country has to offer. I'm glad I didn't miss it!

FWIW, I was much more creeped out by Pagosa Springs!

"I have bad news for the UFO disclosure crowd"



The UFO disclosure crowd Are the bad news!

It is one thing to put solid effort try getting to the bottom of something with diligent research, and it is another to rally support for a hopeless cause that makes things harder and ten times worse than the current state of affairs by acting like a laughing stock.

Thats what guys like Stevie Greer and Bassett are doing. They are bad seeds, bad apples who need to be resisted, not joined in a personal quest with no fact-ammo and buying into their new age cult.

I think that recent NYTimes article showing one of the letters about UFO disclosure sent the to Obama camp online and how ridiculous it was illustrates my point amicably that people like Bassett are doing much more harm than people think, and are encouraging others to act just as foolish as them.

In my opinion there is no doubt at all that we are being and have been visited by extraterrestrials or some form of non-human intelligence, for the lack of a better term. But the sooner we dump the many charlatans down the toilet the better.

Take a good look at InfaRedMan's signature, I think it says a lot! - Might wanna add Bassett to your roster of charlatans there IRM, its well worth it

Best regards,

[edit on 24/6/09 by Majorion]

Originally posted by I Am Spartacus
On a sightseeing trip through NM I stopped into Dulce just to see what the stories were all about.

A base named after the closest town is not usually in or near the town its named after, nor would it be beneath that town, It could be several miles away in the mountains

A lot of Jicarilla Apache buying gas and groceries.

Did you stop to ask one of them for any 'stories'? Maybe slip him a twenty? That got us into the big scope at Lick once

A small Best Western Hotel with a casino full of inebriated locals and truck drivers.

Did you buy one of them a drink and chat about local rumors? Alcohol tends to loosen tongues

Some roads in serious need of repair.

Yes and one road goes somewhere else...

A Mesa with tv, radio and cell towers.
A really nice, brand new High School.
A park dedicated to the history of native american and mexican founders.
Beautiful landscapes and scenery.

That's about it.

Hmmm so either you are not very observant or you are a dis info agent

Did you not see these just outside town?



Dulce Base - New Google Images?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Even though I've heard the stories from other posters on this forum, I don't haven any reason to believe there's more than meets the eye here.

Hmmmm I would have to say dis info agent

[edit on 24-6-2009 by zorgon]

Could be at all possible that the gov't really doesnt understand UFO's as much as we give them credit for? Maybe they have gotten a crashed UFO craft and reversed engineered it (where we might have gotten some of their technology), maybe there were bodies on it from another species, but just maybe the really dont know as much about them as the we are giving them credit for. And they are searching for the answers, and that is why there is no disclosure because the gov't really doesnt know as much as we think they do.
And honestly if they (space travelers) are that advanced and know how to use the worm holes and travel from one dimension to another if they wanted to manipulate mankind it wouldnt be very hard. Mind control over mass popluation wouldnt be very hard for them. They also supposely have the capabilities to turn off every countries nuclear warheads, and weapons.
I'm sure there are evil space travelers just like in our own mankind, but not everyone of us are murders, rapist, and so forth. No we mostly would like planet Earth to be at peace. A normal person doesnt like war, hunger, and poverty for our fellow man. So just like there are probably bad apples also in some of the Alien species, I dont think they actually want to harm us here on Earth. If they did they would have already.
Or maybe our Gov't does know all about them and does talk to them, I really just cant think its to harm our planet or humankind, maybe they associates themselves with our gov't s to help them in space, and teach them what is right and wrong in Universal Laws, to help us along in our future for space travel. (They helped our past generations understand the concept of God. like some people believe) In all the books I have read from Zachria S. to others the space travelers actually tried to help us teach us about astrology, agriculture, God, what morally is right and wrong. The book of Enoch is proof of that if you believe it.They saved people of earth from the deluge that swept over earth. why would they have done that if later on it was to destroy us.
We as a civilization need to take care of one another, and once we stop thinking in terms Me, me me, More prayers and meditation on the happiness of earth and its popluation.
This is just my view, not to upset anyone!!

reply to post by zorgon


I didn't check the time stamps but I guess you posted this photo of the school and health center before you got responses on the other thread.

To answer your queries:

1. I'm not a disinfo agent, just somebody with first-hand experiences.
2. I didn't interview anyone because that wasn't my reason for being there. From other posts I've read on ATS and elsewhere, I've heard people say that it "wasn't hard" to get information there and that they overheard discussions of mutes and abductions. My post was just to say that I didn't hear or see anything unusual. Another poster, who's name I forget, was telling people to Avoid the area because they might go crazy, disappear for months and assault people. I was sort of responding to that by saying that I had a lovely day passing through the area. People should not go poking around on Jicarilla land without permission, but I don't think there's any danger in just passing through to see the scenery.
3. I notice you didn't respond to my posts on the other thread where I pointed out that the "pyramids" were really a school.
4. You also didn't respond to my other suggestion, which is to explore that area a bit more.
5. Your lack of response might lead some to come to the conclusion that it's you who is the disinfo agent.

Well, considering any and all mention of UFOs by the people towards the government get immediately binned, I am thinking the only disclosure that will be coming will be from person to person, and if per chance Malf from the planet Nogula lands in time square and starts ray gunning people down...
even then I imagine our wonderful Gov will be acting very much like the iraqi information minister during the iraq invasion
or the cop from southpark...

reply to post by isa75


thanks for your post we are getting a lot of interesting theory's here .

maybe you are right the government might not know as much as we think.
with so many people coming forward to tell their experiences it is hard to believe that they don t.

We as a civilization need to take care of one another, and once we stop thinking in terms Me, me me, More prayers and meditation on the happiness of earth and its popluation.
This is just my view, not to upset anyone!!

I could not agree more.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Well, considering any and all mention of UFOs by the people towards the government get immediately binned, I am thinking the only disclosure that will be coming will be from person to person, and if per chance Malf from the planet Nogula lands in time square and starts ray gunning people down...
even then I imagine our wonderful Gov will be acting very much like the iraqi information minister during the iraq invasion
or the cop from southpark...

The way the Government have held the cards in their hands and not told any one what they are holding has gone on too long. Maybe we will call their bluff!!.

Originally posted by ocker
The way the Government have held the cards in their hands and not told any one what they are holding has gone on too long. Maybe we will call their bluff!!.

Right On!!

Thats the Spirit


errrmm only one thing...

YOU

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0505b8985992.jpg[/atsimg]

THEM

Originally posted by blupblup
reply to post by symmetricAvenger

 

I'm gonna leave you to it mate.
You obviously can't hold a conversation and you actually make no sense, nor can you read a post properly.


Have fun

Just to clarify, not that you'll understand it but hey.

I don't believe in God or Gods..

But i do believe in the existence of extra-terrestrial life.

I just don't think the government is gonna tell us about it....which is what this thread was actually about....before you started rambling.


Peace anyway

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erm no i think you are the one who does not see the importance here

For one .. you state I do not think there is a god.. and by that i take it you mean the biblical guy correct?

then you say the gov wont tell us .. well i am sure they wont..

i did not say the would correct?

But let me go back to one important factor

YOU WAS CREATED

or did you come from a nothingness?

get real pal...

[edit on 23/6/09 by blupblup]

reply to post by Nohup


we have some evidence...

oh like the sun the moon the planets?

and more importantly YOU

you see one thing people fail to understand is that by being here makes aliens real

do you not understand that logic??

lets put it in a real way shall we..

GOD
ALIENS

for now they are 2 basic rules of the game and the out come?

lets seee... mmm god?

well if we are all sinners who will be forgiven then lets sin?

if we was made by aliens to server our masters then we are still screwed.. and maybe we have aliens running planet earth

WHO CARES?

i mean cmon ... take a look out your window ffs its not rocket science to work it out is it?

We are shafted.... unless our race gets some balls and admits we are alone but not alone...

if you get my point?

aliens are real and so is god

GOD made aliens and humans but god is not some bloke in a toga...



jeez people.... everyone wants to know WHY WHY WHY

cant you be happy you even have the ability to ASK WHY in the first place?

is that not the biggest clue to your very being? the ability to ask WHY?


/me rolls eyes

reply to post by zorgon


thanks ZORGON but the red tee come on