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Iran Ultimatum to Mousavi: Toe the Line or Else

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posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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The whole news item is suspect. Both Ahmedinejad and Mousavi were nominated by the mullas to run for office. Further still, while Ahmedinejad cut his teeth in public as a war hero and commando, Mousavi was one of the original people that overthrew the Shah. They are both creatures f the Iranian revolution.

The former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani is rallying the Qom clergy to put pressure on the Guardians Council to support the election results. It seems to me that this whole issue is not about voter fraud, it is about an ego wanting his turn to rule having sensed weakness somewhere.

The subsequent Twitter enabled 'Colour Revolution' has the finger prints of CIA style social agitation. The nuclei of the demonstrators may well be using flash mob techniques.


Is This the Culmination of Two Years of Destabilization

Are the Iranian Protests Another US Orchestrated "Color Revolution?"

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

A number of commentators have expressed their idealistic belief in the purity of Mousavi, Montazeri, and the westernized youth of Terhan. The CIA destabilization plan, announced two years ago (see below) has somehow not contaminated unfolding events.

The claim is made that Ahmadinejad stole the election, because the outcome was declared too soon after the polls closed for all the votes to have been counted. However, Mousavi declared his victory several hours before the polls closed. This is classic CIA destabilization designed to discredit a contrary outcome. It forces an early declaration of the vote. The longer the time interval between the preemptive declaration of victory and the release of the vote tally, the longer Mousavi has to create the impression that the authorities are using the time to fix the vote. It is amazing that people don’t see through this trick.

As for the grand ayatollah Montazeri’s charge that the election was stolen, he was the initial choice to succeed Khomeini, but lost out to the current Supreme Leader. He sees in the protests an opportunity to settle the score with Khamenei. Montazeri has the incentive to challenge the election whether or not he is being manipulated by the CIA, which has a successful history of manipulating disgruntled politicians.

www.counterpunch.org...


Flash mobs and twitter;


A flash mob (or flashmob[1]) is a large group of people who assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual action for a brief time, then quickly disperse. The term flash mob is generally applied only to gatherings organized via social media or viral emails, rather than those organized by public relations firms or for a publicity stunt.

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Now we have the wanted war criminal, arch zionist and general freak show commenting on the matter. You will note that this creature uses and bizarre reasoning processes to justify regime change on the back of an internal Iranian matter.



While Fox News and various American pro-Israeli media are churning out preposterous allegations and demonising the Iranian people both China and Russia are lending support and defending Iran from an Israeli, Anglo-American war.



Asian Times

Jun 20, 2009

Beijing cautions US over Iran By M K Bhadrakumar

China has broken silence on the developing situation in Iran. This comes against the backdrop of a discernible shift in Washington's posturing toward political developments in Iran.

The government-owned China Daily featured its main editorial comment on Thursday titled "For Peace in Iran". It comes amid reports in the Western media that the former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani is rallying the Qom clergy to put pressure on the Guardians Council - and, in turn, on Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei - to annul last Friday's presidential election that gave Mahmud Ahmadinejad another four-year term.


www.atimes.com...



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posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 11:07 AM
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An excellent post MasonWatcher and I do agree that the not so fine hand of the CIA and the Zionists are highly visible in this charade.

I think it's important to consider that irna.com has been down with a broken link to it since the 15th.

Since Irna is the official news agency of Iran it would make no sense for the Iranians themselves to cut their official news channel to the outside world, but would make great sense for the CIA or the Zionists to cut it to keep contrary news accounts they can't manipulate from getting out there.

It's clear that the Zionists are desperate to widen the Middle East wars and anything coming out of Iran which is clearly their next target in their goal to dominate all off the Middle East and beyond (Iran is in Asia).

I do think an intelligent person would take anything coming out of Iran with a grain of salt and be cautious in the conclusions they reach.

The CIA and MI6 have a long and very sorted history in Iran and there is little chance that any serious political opposition to the regime of the Ayattolahs is desirous of American, Brittish or Zionist help or intervention to further that cause.

What is going on in Iran pales in comparisson to the seriousness of the economic crisis gripping the world and it's highly suspect that the governments and the media choose this to focus all their attention on at a time when so many more serious issues that benefit the well being of people everywhere are being overlooked and even deliberately made worse in the vacum this type of hype and hysteria creates.

Great information, thanks for posting it!



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
As an American we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
It never fails.


Which is why I highly recomend not just listening to but adopting Aerosmith's song "Permanent Vacation" as our new National Anthem!

If we are to be damned lets at least concentrate on our tans for pity's sake!

Maybe if we start out liberating our national park's concession stands from foreign companies we can move up to liberating other nation's from theirs in time...churros anyone? Gyros, baklava? ...No really I would like a hot dog with extra red dye no. 5 please and a coke...sorry, what about some sushi and some green tea? A perrogi and a cup of turkish coffee?

Yep lets thank our lucky stars we don't want to see this fate befall Iran!



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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History does repeat itself.
Police force Iran protest off streets

"This is like [the revolution in] 1979," said one older man on the streets yesterday. "But it's more dangerous. People had money in 1979 to escape and to get by for months. Now they don't."



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
This is just going to turn what was once peaceful protest, for the most part, into a violent revolution. This thing has already been going on for a week and the kids aren't slowing down at all.

Looks like Iran will be in full blown revolution by Saturday.


Well it's Saturday and it is still going strong.
I fear the worst.
I honestly don't think this was a bad thing either way it will end up being good for Iran. If they overthrow the Government that is a step in the right Direction. If TPTB stay in power they will for sure change some of their policies for the better now that they realize just how fragile their hold on power really is.

Either way it's good for Iran, Like Kissnger said in the video above they will become a government of the people and a real contry and not just a "Cause"


[edit on 20-6-2009 by SLAYER69]



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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History does repeat itself.
Police force Iran protest off streets

"This is like [the revolution in] 1979," said one older man on the streets yesterday. "But it's more dangerous. People had money in 1979 to escape and to get by for months. Now they don't."


No, it is more like the Mossaddeq oust in 1953. People were as poor then as they are now. Also existing crime networks were purchased then to organise street demonstration. Today we have Twitter and SMS.


Mosaddeq was removed from power in a 19 August 1953 coup supported and funded by the British and U.S. governments and led by General Fazlollah Zahedi. [4] The American operation came to be known as Operation Ajax in America, [5] after its CIA cryptonym, and as the 28 Mordad 1332 coup in Iran, after its date on the Iranian calendar. [6] Mosaddeq was imprisoned for three years and subsequently put under house arrest until his death.
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posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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STAR.

Good point but the question becomes is the US and West taking advantage of the situation or have they caused it? Because I see a lot of passion in those protesters from very real issue with TPTB in Iran. That kind of passion only stems from deep rooted conflict from within. Never from outside influences.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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Iran is governed by a revolutionary government. Unlike a dictatorship, the cause evolves and moderates. Because US policy towards it and the imposed war with Iraq, this evolution did not happen.

With the focus of the US and Israel on Iraq in the 1990s and 2000s, Iran began to relax elements of its fundamentalist revolutionary spirit including passing extraordinarily liberal social laws. An example is short term marriages that lasts only days to circumvent high levels of divorce and illicit sex. The logic behind it was to allow the inevitable to happen but within a socially acceptable conditions. Accidental pregnancies would a ensure parental commitment and the name for the child. Dress code enforcement was reduced and other social restrictions removed.

Now that Israel is provoking confrontation and 'the lobby' propelling US policy, the Iranian state has become paranoid and entrenched. The population, who are overwhelming patriotic, are startled by the prospect of a continuation of rule by the old guard. This feeling is being stoked from abroad, probably by Israeli organised agent provocateurs.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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Agreed however....

It was not the "united force" as the present Iranian Government would have everybody believe. When the Shaw fell there were many groups vying for power not just the present powers that be. It's a very real possibility that after the new government took root that many of the previous organizations are still around and are fermenting this new round or subversion.

Iranian Revolution 1979

Opposition groups and organizations
Main article: Organizations of the Iranian Revolution

Other opposition groups[55] included constitutionalist liberals — the democratic, reformist Islamic Freedom Movement of Iran, headed by Mehdi Bazargan, and the more secular National Front. They were based in the urban middle class, and wanted the Shah to adhere to the Iranian Constitution of 1906 rather than to replace him with a theocracy,[56] but lacked the cohesion and organization of Khomeini's forces.[57]

Marxists groups — primarily the communist Tudeh Party of Iran and the Fedaian guerillas[58] — had been weakened considerably by government repression. Despite this the guerillas did help play an important part in the final February 1979 overthrow[59] delivering "the regime its coup de grace."[60] The most powerful guerilla group — the People's Mujahedin — was leftist Islamist and opposed the influence of the clergy as reactionary.

Many clergy did not follow Khomeini's lead. Popular ayatollah Mahmoud Taleghani supported the left, while perhaps the most senior and influential ayatollah in Iran — Mohammad Kazem Shariatmadari — first remained aloof from politics and then came out in support of a democratic revolution.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by masonwatcher
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With the focus of the US and Israel on Iraq in the 1990s and 2000s, Iran began to relax elements of its fundamentalist revolutionary spirit including passing extraordinarily liberal social laws. An example is short term marriages that lasts only days to circumvent high levels of divorce and illicit sex. The logic behind it was to allow the inevitable to happen but within a socially acceptable conditions. Accidental pregnancies would a ensure parental commitment and the name for the child. Dress code enforcement was reduced and other social restrictions removed.


Gosh Masonwatch, you sound just like a Mullah yourself.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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Yes but the conditions for these fringe groups were improving. What we see in Iran is a classic 'Colour Revolution' and has nothing to do with internal strive. Further more, none of these groups have any association with Mousavi.

Colour revolutions are about artificially inducing a momentum of discontent. They often start before the ballots are counted with rumour mongering and sham claims to get people on the streets.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 06:10 PM
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I'm saying they could be fermenting the situation. The people could just be as you have stated be pawns.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 08:00 PM
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Yeah sure people are being used as pawns. Most folks are easily manipulated, you just need to appeal to the worst aspects of their character. This is why street mobs are ugly and entirely different to altruistic demonstrations. You see it on our televisions when journalists interview them. In just demonstrations, like with the civil rights movement, it was about other's welfare or the future. With mobs, its about self interest. The tell tale is always in the words of interviewee.



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