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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:23 PM by HunkaHunka

In the end, it's a matter of freedom.

Who cares if its "natural" or not.... What the heck is NATURAL anyway? We are all natural... and everything a human DOES is NATURAL....

It's not like we are synthetic....

Who cares about homosexuality... really? What does it matter to you if someone is straight or homosexual?

My mother kept me away from one of my older half brothers while I was young because he was gay. She had this irrational fear that he was a pedophile because he was gay. Yet she left me with teenage girls to babysit me who weren't even members of my family!

So because I had no time with him as a youth, I never got to know him. Saw him at my fathers funeral (Father shunned him because he was gay), and that was it.

Well he died last year. He was HIV positive for about 20 years, and lived with his partner for about the same amount of time. He was known as the hardest worker, and the person who would help you start a business. He owned three businesses of his own. He and his partner had no desire to have children, and so never raised any.

We lived on opposite coasts for most of our lives, and because I never forged a bond with him in my youth like I did the other brothers and sister, I missed out on any real relationship with him.

Don't let ignorance and prejudice stop your family from creating strong bonds with the homosexual members in your close circle.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:24 PM by Kevin_X1

reply to post by grapesofraft

excuse me, but are you equating murder with homosexuality? if you are, and your not making a hilariouse joke, then why dont you take a leave from these boards right now? Like, can we get a grip people?

Humans once killed each other without much consideration too. We, according to the research, evolved advanced concisenesses after homosexuality. so, we have a large number of humans who are homosexuals that have the brain power to regulate their behavior, and thus decide to stay in the closet. This, if anything, causes people serious internal conflict.

To say we are exactly like animals is missing... life entirely. stop being dumb. Homosexuality is not anywhere near close to as dangerous, and is much more socially accepted then murder, and for good reason.

if people were allowed to express themselves without people like you (who are faaaaar from perfect, more so then any homosexual) objectifying them, then the world would be a better place.

BETTER TO LOVE A MAN ON THE GROUND THEN A IMAGINARY MAN IN THE SKY WHO MAKES YOU HATE ALL THE MEN ON THE GROUND

nuff said

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:25 PM by grapesofraft

Originally posted by OKCBtard
My whole point is that our sexual orientation is mostly driven by our own perversions.Say I am a pedophile, am I no different than a homosexual or heterosexual? The correct answer is no, but my preference is not near as acceptable as the other two. If you accept homosexuality then explain to me why I can not have what I want.

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Great point. Now I do not promote pedophillia in any way, shape, or form, but you could make a case that it is natural in some respects. That does not make it right or acceptable, but you could make a case for it.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:27 PM by grapesofraft

reply to post by Nutter

Like I said homosexuality is the persons choice and I am fine with it. What is detremental to society is to make gay marriage equal to regular marriage or to restrict peoples right to their opinion on the matter simply because you find it to be ok.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:30 PM by jackieps1975

"I love my dead gay fish!"

Sorry, couldn't resist. Sometimes we do need levity around here!

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:30 PM by Nutter

Originally posted by grapesofraft
What is detremental to society is to make gay marriage equal to regular marriage

What does gay marriage really do detrimentally to society? Because you don't think these people deserve the same rights to life, liberty, and happiness that you get?

or to restrict peoples right to their opinion on the matter simply because you find it to be ok.

I don't care about your opinion on the matter. Just leave that opinion in the closet when it comes to OTHER people. K?

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:31 PM by grapesofraft

reply to post by Kevin_X1

Once again another person taking a giant leap in logic for no good reason. I did not say being homosexual is the same as being a murderer. I said that if you say homosexuality should be protected or given equal legal status to marriage based simply on the idea that it is natural it is the same as saying murder should be legal because it is also natural.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:32 PM by Nutter

Originally posted by grapesofraft
I said that if you say homosexuality should be protected or given equal legal status to marriage based simply on the idea that it is natural it is the same as saying murder should be legal because it is also natural.

And this is not equating the two? I'm confuzzled here. Or maybe it's you?

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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:36 PM by mblahnikluver

This post makes me smile

S&F

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:36 PM by UltraAgentGirl

Originally posted by bobbylove321
Being homosexual is a choice and nothing else.

For everyone that argues that there's a gay gene, then show some solid proof. As of today, there's no ACTUAL proof that says there's a gay gene.

Animals can do whatever they want because it's not important.

Humans being gay on the other hand is simply a choice, and it's their lifestyle, so it's NOT natural.

yep it is no less a choice for humans as it is lower animals but like the coat tails of the civil rights movement where being black was something they simply couldn't help being genetically, Gays will use this to suggest IT too is natural when it most certainly IS in nature as we have seen but it aint no more natural then justifying rape is when monkeys or snakes have also been seen in nature raping a female or male.

You watch, that is what this is all about and it is as lousy an excuse to gain acceptance as their shoving that old woman with the cross in her hands was, while asking us for tolerance.

Gee, THAT made a LOT of us sympathizers!

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:37 PM by grapesofraft

reply to post by Nutter

Gay marriage is detrimental to society in various ways.
1. By changing the definition of marriage based on the whims or society or a sub populations wishes, allows it to be changed again and agian. For instance people who are born loving animals or children.

2. Marriage was partially meant to form a family unit for a child. It is better for a child to have a father and a mother not a father and a father or a mother and a mother. Different sexes have different strengths and weaknesses in parenting skills. I am a single parent and even I see the need to have a woman around to help out where I am weak. Making gay marriage equal allows for adoption and or unnatural ways of coneception to provide a gay family with children.

3. There is a cost associated with giving equal rights, in insurance, etc.

4. It makes it an equal choice for people when in fact it is not how humans were designed to function. So for the same reason we make laws to make certain choices undesirable as the first choice for the sake of society, so should it be for homosexuality

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:39 PM by grapesofraft

reply to post by Nutter

Actually it is you. You have a hard time understanding how a sentence is constructed. I will leave it to you to figure out why you are wrong. I think part of the problem is that oversensitivity clouds your ability to reason.

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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:42 PM by qonone

reply to post by OKCBtard

Just cause i was saying this so called "new study" is truly old news as i have seen a remarkable documentary of two female dolphins raising a young? All those dolphins did was to swim together and care for a little one and that was a good story for me. You should go read up on previous posts before calling me "it"

I am not against peoples choice or how they think they were born. So i am straight but do not judge anyone because anything can happen tomorrow, or i speak crap about people and judge everyone so i can make my life miserable. I choose not to judge.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:47 PM by UltraAgentGirl

Originally posted by Nutter

What does gay marriage really do detrimentally to society? Because you don't think these people deserve the same rights to life, liberty, and happiness that you get??

Yeah so I can guess then using this latest finding in nature is all about gays gaining the so called rights they ain't got ?

Ya think they would have noticed that many many years ago back when they didn't want to legitimize sodomy laws so they can teach safer anal sex in public schools to help curb the ramant killer type mrsa staph infections and HIV/AIDS that is out there. You know, one of the great many "contributions that were such a detriment to society" .

Marriage is a privelege not a right and is something you have to qualify for. The all gay supreme court in Boston and the mayor that pushed the legislation to make gay marriage legal is now having to figure out how to answer questions by a myriad of other "types" of unions who have become very creative thanks to this law. Oh and the divorce issues are even MORE frustrating if you can imagine. What is so ironc but doesn't surprise me is the mayor, getting busted for molesting a child. mmmm

isn't THAT unusual

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:48 PM by OKCBtard

Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by OKCBtard

I believe that in a free nation citizens should be allowed to do whatever they want AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HARM ANYONE ELSE.

Show me a child that hasn't been harmed by molestation and I'll change my opinion.

I could probably get a 12 year old to believe almost anything I want in a matter of hours, that does not constitute someone able to make independent and informed decisions about sex.

However, I see absolutely no reason to consider homosexual relations between two consenting adults as unnatural.

Homosexuality and pedophilia are VASTLY different topics and to associate the two is like linking smokers with Hitler.

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WOW! Saying that all pedophiles are child molesters (in which case the child IS harmed) is like saying all gays are men in prison raping each other! Also as far as showing you Child pornograpgy that does not harm the individual, I would like to take you up on that offer if it weren't illegal. I recommend you go to www.12chan.org or a child "modeling" website. Do some research before you condemn an entire people like that. Sheesh!

Just for the record, pedophilia has a more factual basis behind it than homosexuality! Considering that our life span was shorter in previous times, it only made sense to breed and have relations at an earlier age

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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:50 PM by Kevin_X1

reply to post by grapesofraft

yes... and i'm saying thats where your brain comes into play... if you have one that is. I'm making the assumption that you can determine right from wrong and think for yourself. but, obviously, all humans are not capable of this. YOU tell me where the similarities lie between homosexuality and murder, because you certainly ARE equating them. To use your view of murder to support your view of homosexuality is... ugh, never mind, you probably cant make sense of my words

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:50 PM by Shadowflux

reply to post by HunkaHunka

This is exactly what I meant by my earlier post about being careful who you spill your bigotry to.

My father had a good friend once, my dad went off on how much he disliked homosexuals (being macho I'm sure) but he had no idea that his good friend's son was gay. Needless to say this made a tough situation for both parties and they are no longer friends.

I may not be the type to force my ways of life on other people but I do get sick of people who call themselves my friend sending me chain letters and petitions to further increase the discrimination of gay people.

Honestly, I thought this was America

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:53 PM by Kevin_X1

the choice is in deciding weather to act on your homosexuality, not weather you are homosexual. yes, homosexuality is a choice in that sense. in any other sense, theres nothing you can do about it.

millions of gays have attested to this... thinking gays who know themselves. are you saying their all wrong? riiiiight..... they arent human!

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:54 PM by OKCBtard

Originally posted by Kevin_X1
the choice is in deciding weather to act on your homosexuality, not weather you are homosexual. yes, homosexuality is a choice in that sense. in any other sense, theres nothing you can do about it.

As I said earlier, we as humans hold our selfs above these undesired natural impulses. It's how we pretend we are better than everything else.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 02:56 PM by grapesofraft

reply to post by Kevin_X1

I cant make sense of your words because they dont make sense. If you cant see comparing logic between trying to justify two different unrelated acts to see the issues with the logic than I dont know if I can be of any help to you.

Let me try, I said using the logic of accepting something because it is natural then you are also saying that you should accept anything that is natural. For instance, I could say allowing someone to fart in public is the same as allowing someone to pee in public, they are both natural. However, I am not saying peeing and farting are the same act or that every person who farts in public also pees in public.