Originally posted by qonone
I am extremely open minded but i don't go around throwing my straight dog in my gay friends faces and tell them ..SEE THIS IS NATURE! ALL IS STRAIGHT! That would be wrong.

Can you please point out in the study where it says: "SEE HOMOSEXUAL IS NATURE! ALL IS GAY!"?

If anything, this study shows that it is natural for a percentage of the animal population (including humans) to be gay. Not, "everyone should be gay....it's the greatest".

Originally posted by grapesofraft
It is common for animals to kill and eat each other. So should we change the law to allow humans the right to murder and cannibalism based on the fact that it is natural?

As said before: It used to be common amongst tribes in Africa and Australia (I believe).

Also, these animals kill and eat each other because they are hungry. Did we throw the book at the soccer team that crashed in the Andes and had to eat the dead to stay alive? No, we didn't. We felt compasion for them because it was their only choice for survival. Which would be under the "natural" definition.

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Originally posted by Nutter
As said before: It used to be common amongst tribes in Africa and Australia (I believe).

Also, these animals kill and eat each other because they are hungry. Did we throw the book at the soccer team that crashed in the Andes and had to eat the dead to stay alive? No, we didn't. We felt compasion for them because it was their only choice for survival. Which would be under the "natural" definition.

Well then we have established that it is normal for humans to kill and eat each other as an act of war or survival or whatever. Does that make it acceptable?

Also, I bet some animals kill and eat each other just because it is natural to them and not because they are starving. They just saw the other lion or whatever as a nice snack or a threat or a challenge to its power or a good battle of life and death seemed fun at the moment.

There is a difference between understanding a certain circumstance of survival in regards to the Andes plane crash, and changing the law to make it acceptable for everyone.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by grapesofraft]

Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by qonone
I am extremely open minded but i don't go around throwing my straight dog in my gay friends faces and tell them ..SEE THIS IS NATURE! ALL IS STRAIGHT! That would be wrong.

Can you please point out in the study where it says: "SEE HOMOSEXUAL IS NATURE! ALL IS GAY!"?

If anything, this study shows that it is natural for a percentage of the animal population (including humans) to be gay. Not, "everyone should be gay....it's the greatest".

Even better it went on to explain how the gesture of homosexuality between male doolphins was a bonding experience or how the fruit fly couldn't tell the difference. Far from gay marriage I would say, acts of homosexuality have been around for as long as man has, this does not mean it is a good idea. Seems to me, it is some sort of meeting their sexual perversions.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
Being homosexual is a choice and nothing else.

When did you make your choice?

Okay, here's a question for all of you:

Do you have a problem with bisexuality?

Someone who is attracted to both sexes is not going against natures law that we must reproduce yet is also not constrained by antiquated notions that sex with one person is right and sex with another person is wrong.

Personally I see little difference when it comes to sexual orientation, both sides have good features and bad features and in the end it comes down to who the person is, how smart they are and how well we get along, it has nothing to do with someone's gender. I also think this is why we see homosexual behavior in animals, not because we're smarter or more enlightened, simply because we have "society" to make us feel bad for doing things that come naturally.

I personally think it's rather childish to be hung up on one gender versus the other.

My personal opinion is that people have different appetites when it comes to sex, some like guys, some like girls, some like latex and some like chains.

I wonder how boring some people's sex lives are

Originally posted by Nutter
Can you please point out in the study where it says: "SEE HOMOSEXUAL IS NATURE! ALL IS GAY!"?

If anything, this study shows that it is natural for a percentage of the animal population (including humans) to be gay. Not, "everyone should be gay....it's the greatest".

There is no such study. Just a sentence i used to what i will tell my friends. Better now? Happy? No such study as you knew quite well And i am not 100% literate in English so i apologize.

Still i said it IS NOT a new study as i have seen many "gay animals" in my life. The reason why it is being put out now is to make it easier and more acceptable for heterosexual people, to soften them. We know when animals do something it is cute and quite forgivable. Your dog can steal your big steak and we as human forgive but let a hungry starving man steal it.

Animals is a great way to get on the softer side of us, to ease us in to something as this main topic discussed.

[edit on 6/17/2009 by qonone]

Originally posted by OKCBtard
Natural order spells disaster for evrything we have worked to achieve. Natural is hardly ever the right thing to go for.

So, now you want everything to be "unnatural"? Well, there you go. Problem solved.

Originally posted by Shadowflux
Okay, here's a question for all of you:

Do you have a problem with bisexuality?

Someone who is attracted to both sexes is not going against natures law that we must reproduce yet is also not constrained by antiquated notions that sex with one person is right and sex with another person is wrong.

Personally I see little difference when it comes to sexual orientation, both sides have good features and bad features and in the end it comes down to who the person is, how smart they are and how well we get along, it has nothing to do with someone's gender. I also think this is why we see homosexual behavior in animals, not because we're smarter or more enlightened, simply because we have "society" to make us feel bad for doing things that come naturally.

I personally think it's rather childish to be hung up on one gender versus the other.

My personal opinion is that people have different appetites when it comes to sex, some like guys, some like girls, some like latex and some like chains.

I wonder how boring some people's sex lives are

My whole point is that our sexual orientation is mostly driven by our own perversions.Say I am a pedophile, am I no different than a homosexual or heterosexual? The correct answer is no, but my preference is not near as acceptable as the other two. If you accept homosexuality then explain to me why I can not have what I want.

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Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by OKCBtard
Natural order spells disaster for evrything we have worked to achieve. Natural is hardly ever the right thing to go for.

So, now you want everything to be "unnatural"? Well, there you go. Problem solved.

Natural is HARDLY EVER the right thing to go for. It is not about what I want, as much as society as a whole. Good Job!

Second line.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by OKCBtard]

Originally posted by Nutter
So, now you want everything to be "unnatural"? Well, there you go. Problem solved.

Well you can not have everything be natural. It is natural to torture you enemy as it is driven by survival instinct. It is natural to kill a man you catch sleeping with your wife. It is natural to have sex with anybody you are attracted to, but there has to be limits for the good of society and to protect people from each other.

Furthermore, like i have said before, there is nothing wrong with being homosexual in my opinion. What is wrong is trying to force everyone in society to accept it and to change the laws to give equal rights or special priveleges.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by grapesofraft]

Originally posted by grapesofraft
Well you can not have everything be natural. It is natural to torture you enemy as it is driven by survival instinct. It is natural to kill a man you catch sleeping with your wife. It is natural to have sex with anybody you are attracted to, but there has to be limits for the good of society and to protect people from each other.

So, what in your mind is detrimental to society as a whole if a woman sleeps and loves another woman or man with man? And please don't say procreation, because this world really needs more babies.