Homosexual behaviour widespread in animals according to new study

reply to post by OKCBtard


From a channer from way back when I'll let you in on a secret, never EVER use "12chan" to back up your argument. Saying that you don't feel that child pornography hurts the children involved and doesn't lead pedophiles to act on their compulsions makes me question whether you are defending pedophiles or yourself. Even among the chans, 12chan is considered "pedochan" and everyone knows "child modeling sites" are soft core child porn that barely skirts the law. Why do you think 12chan exists? It's because the "pedos" were all banned from the other boards.

So even among an internet subculture known for perversion pedophilia is a crime.

In all honesty, if you can't see the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia than it's not a matter of me not adequately explaining it.

I have two female dogs who are constantly humping each other. It makes me wonder why a female dog would hump anything, but I'm not an expert in dog relationships so...

In nature we see examples where multiple adult members help raise the young. How do we know these birds were "lesbians" and not just related to one another as part of a social hierarchy? I don't see how two birds helping raise a youngling makes them lesbians. Hello people, how did the baby bird get there for them to raise in the first place.....just because two males or two females raise a child doesn't make them gay.


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Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by OKCBtard

 

From a channer from way back when I'll let you in on a secret, never EVER use "12chan" to back up your argument. Saying that you don't feel that child pornography hurts the children involved and doesn't lead pedophiles to act on their compulsions makes me question whether you are defending pedophiles or yourself. Even among the chans, 12chan is considered "pedochan" and everyone knows "child modeling sites" are soft core child porn that barely skirts the law. Why do you think 12chan exists? It's because the "pedos" were all banned from the other boards.

So even among an internet subculture known for perversion pedophilia is a crime.

In all honesty, if you can't see the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia than it's not a matter of me not adequately explaining it.

We aren't talking about other chans, we are talking about 12chan, not the website as much as the content. The way you throw your arguement makes it seem like you dont believe child pornography could exist without the child being hurt by it. How many other types of pornography exist that doesnt hurt either individual (Im looking at you bestiality). Im pretty sure both members taking place in the act of ghey secks feel some sort of pain in their ass but walk away fine.

You are wrong. Maybe in America pedophilia is a crime, but there are many places out there where it is a normal everyday thing. Some how those countries seem to still exist, its women work and carry out everyday normal lifes.

And as far as comparing homosexuality and pedophilia, they are both on the same page. A sexual perversion, homosexuality is just more accepted here in the US.

Originally posted by Staringintoinfinity
I have two female dogs who are constantly humping each other. It makes me wonder why a female dog would hump anything, but I'm not an expert in dog relationships so...

In nature we see examples where multiple adult members help raise the young. How do we know these birds were "lesbians" and not just related to one another as part of a social hierarchy? I don't see how two birds helping raise a youngling makes them lesbians. Hello people, how did the baby bird get there for them to raise in the first place.....just because two males or two females make raise a child doesn't make them gay.

Two female animals raising young are not lesbians. When animals of the same sex hump each other it is hormonal, they aren't doing it for the enjoyment of the sex act, they are acting on their reproductive gene blueprint, they don't know any better, they don't realize the thing they are humping won't result in offspring. If they did, they wouldn't waste their time. Animals don't see another male and think oh baby, I gotta have me some of that. They are animals. I thought this ridiculous "it's normal because animals do it" was dead.

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Kevin_X1

 

I cant make sense of your words because they dont make sense. If you cant see comparing logic between trying to justify two different unrelated acts to see the issues with the logic than I dont know if I can be of any help to you.

Let me try, I said using the logic of accepting something because it is natural then you are also saying that you should accept anything that is natural. For instance, I could say allowing someone to fart in public is the same as allowing someone to pee in public, they are both natural. However, I am not saying peeing and farting are the same act or that every person who farts in public also pees in public.

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lets do it this way then.... there are no consequences to farting, but peeing there is. now, for killing a person there are dire consequences, and for homosexuality.... well, there is none.

Well, the consequences are delivered by god at the pearly gates, so the only ones advocating against homosexuality are the ones who believe in a man in the cloud making up rules as we go who has about a million different identities and opinions.

You are equating something evil and illegal with something that people are born with. nobody is born to kill anybody else, we have rage issues.

if your still using the animal argument then you have missed half my point. We are consciously capable of choosing between right and wrong, and the choice was made long ago on murder and homosexuality. animals are not capable of such thought and so they do whatever their desires will have them do. sorry bud.

your argument is flawed. your walking through the world with tunnel vision. why dont you actually listen, learn, read, know the argument, then say something dumb about it.

edit: where did i say anything about everything natural being ok? everything in the world is natural in a sense, and many things are not ok. one of those things being objectifying people for their just beliefs or tenancies. your just making dumb arguments to support your ignorant anti-gay agenda. what did they do to you? did you drop the soap?

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[edit on 17-6-2009 by Kevin_X1]

reply to post by OKCBtard


Child pornography will always be an egregious misuse of parental (or parental figure) authority and trust. I think it's rather clear that you have a poor understanding of children and their constant need for the approval of adults.

Children do not want to pose for the pictures but their need for approval overcomes their desire to protest, this leads to life long psychological problems.

Any kind of sex between consenting adults is a completely different topic from sex with a child. You can justify it to yourself anyway you want but looking at those pictures and visiting those sites are just the beginning of a sexual addiction which has jail as the end result.

Homosexuals are not hurting anyone

Pedophiles are hurting children

Even hardened gang members believe pedophilia is wrong.





and now i'm over it lol

reply to post by Kevin_X1


It has nothing to do with God. It has to do with society and law. Like I have said before, there is nothing wrong IMO with people being gay. Where it becomes wrong for me is when gay people think they should be entitled to marriage rights or when they all throw a fit anytime someone says that homosexuality is wrong. People have as just as much right to their opinion about the right or wrongness of homosexuality and gay marriage as any gay person has a right to be gay. Believe it or not a person can like gay people but still hate the idea of gay marriage or the idea that we cant make a good gay joke without it becoming a federal crime.

Also it is even more wrong to go around saying being gay is ok and natural because animals do it. There are lots of things animals do that are against the law for humans, like eating their young. The whole gay animal gay human thing is totally illogical.

Also, to say committing a homosexual act is anything but a choice is also flawed. There are plenty of gay people who do not act on their desires because they find it wrong. So obviously it is a choice. Just as much of a choice of whoever I decided to love or have sex with.

A person can be born with a propensity to be gay or be an alcoholic, but it doesnt mean we should legalize public into or drinking and driving just because certain people were born with a propensity to over indulge.

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reply to post by Kevin_X1


Your first mistake was assuming that only religious types find homosexuality wrong.

Your second mistake was insulting him and his arguement.

reply to post by grapesofraft


Why should gay people be denied marriage rights? Are they not equal citizens under the law? If we truly still live in a republic I fail to see any rational justification for the denial of marriage rights to homosexuals.

(note that republic is a rule by law, we are not a democracy)

Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by OKCBtard

 

Child pornography will always be an egregious misuse of parental (or parental figure) authority and trust. I think it's rather clear that you have a poor understanding of children and their constant need for the approval of adults.

Children do not want to pose for the pictures but their need for approval overcomes their desire to protest, this leads to life long psychological problems.

Any kind of sex between consenting adults is a completely different topic from sex with a child. You can justify it to yourself anyway you want but looking at those pictures and visiting those sites are just the beginning of a sexual addiction which has jail as the end result.

Homosexuals are not hurting anyone

Pedophiles are hurting children

Even hardened gang members believe pedophilia is wrong.





and now i'm over it lol

Homosexuals in Prison ring a bell? Rape?

en.wikipedia.org...

You cant come on here a spout out points that are not backed up by facts, everything you just said is just that; things you made up. I know plenty of people who blame homosexuality on bad parenting or confussion. You can not sit there and tell me the same goes for a child in pornography. For the most part they would have to be educated on the subject in order to know when they would actually start being abused in such a way. Also way to ignore the fact it is happening in other countries and the world is still spinning

[edit on 17-6-2009 by OKCBtard]

Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by grapesofraft

 

Why should gay people be denied marriage rights? Are they not equal citizens under the law? If we truly still live in a republic I fail to see any rational justification for the denial of marriage rights to homosexuals.

(note that republic is a rule by law, we are not a democracy)

Dont we have to vote on things here? I could have sworn there was a big deal about proposition 8 in California?

reply to post by OKCBtard


It happens in other countries but it's still wrong and still hurts the children. Plenty of men in prison rape other men in prison yet aren't gay. Plenty of men get married and have children yet are gay.

Either way, you're still defending and supporting child pornography and pedophilia, in fact, it seems to me that you are almost endorsing it.

To say that child pornography isn't harmful to the child photographed, or to the children who are raped by people inspired by so called "harmless child modeling pictures" is just crazy.

Although I'm sure all the other frequenters of 12chan will disagree with me.

Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by grapesofraft

 

Why should gay people be denied marriage rights? Are they not equal citizens under the law? If we truly still live in a republic I fail to see any rational justification for the denial of marriage rights to homosexuals.

(note that republic is a rule by law, we are not a democracy)

They arent being denied marriage rights. They never had them to begin with. Lets use your same logic. Are not pedophiles or zoophiles equal citizens under the law? So should we redifine marriage for homosexuals, pedophiles, and zoophiles?

My whole point on gay marriage is that you cannot let marriage become redifinable based on the whims of society or because someone thinks they should be entitled to marry who or whatever they want. It just becomes a disaster in the long run.

If you want civil unions that give equal benefits etc.. Fine. But by making gay marriage equal to normal marriage then you open up a whole can of worms.

Homosexuals in Prison ring a bell? Rape?

en.wikipedia.org...

You cant come on here a spout out points that are not backed up by facts,

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FFS, RAPE and homosexualality have nothing in common, anyone can rape, anyone is capable of rape. To aquaint it with gay people is just plain retarded. Same as peadophillia, you keep going back to that one (little obsession of yours,isit?)

I actually can't handle this much stupidity and ignorance without exploding. So I'm backing back out of this thread. Leave it to those with a stronger stomach than me, cos these "people" make me feel physically sick. (probably the way I make them feel....GOOD.)

reply to post by OKCBtard


Yeah, except that in a Republic (which America is supposed to be) nothing can be voted into action if it contradicts the law. In this case, the Constitution is the supreme law. Denying citizens the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness because of some demographic difference is equal to spitting on the constitution.

Now, if we lived in a democracy, which they want us to believe, than anything can be put into action as long as it's desired by 51% or more of the population.

reply to post by grapesofraft


ahaha, well it seems youve taken a 180 degree turn on more then half ur arguments. you started out with the dog example, and ended up backing my points. I think my work here is finished.

oh, btw nobody was advocating gay marriage. nobody said they dont stand up for themselves. its calling their decisions into question in the first place that is wrong. You dont see them advocating against straight marriage, do you? So, yeah, they feel backed into a corner. their human, remember? if they were animals, they would tear you apart. dont like gay marriage? fine, don't get gay married. Dont like the rights that they get along with marrying each other? fine, go suck a lemon. People in this country can never leave well enough alone.

id like to also add that i never said nothing about religious people being the only gay-bashers. but they are religious gay-bashers. as in, they gay bash religiously. as in, they are indoctrinated that way. 100%

reply to post by Kevin_X1

People in this country can never leave well enough alone.

I totally agree. Things are fine the way they are. Marriage is one man and one woman and it should stay that way.

I am not sure how I proved your point or where exactly I mentioned a dog, but I am glad you are satisfied with your work here.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by grapesofraft]

Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by OKCBtard

 

It happens in other countries but it's still wrong and still hurts the children. Plenty of men in prison rape other men in prison yet aren't gay. Plenty of men get married and have children yet are gay.

Either way, you're still defending and supporting child pornography and pedophilia, in fact, it seems to me that you are almost endorsing it.

To say that child pornography isn't harmful to the child photographed, or to the children who are raped by people inspired by so called "harmless child modeling pictures" is just crazy.

Although I'm sure all the other frequenters of 12chan will disagree with me.

Im sorry, but if you are raping a man in prison, you are a homosexual.
Same if you are raping a little girl, you are a child molester.
You can not say that if he rapes the girl, that he is not a molester.

I wouldn't say I am supporting it as much as providing an arguement for it, do NOT be confused. I am not into that stuff, but I will not send a man to prison for having consensual sex with a 14yr old girl just so he can go get RAPED by people in prison

Also saying it is wrong even if it happens in other countries? Are you serious? NEVER apply your American logic to condemn an action of another group of people! Unless of course it IS harming them, in which case condemn away.

Also saying that having sex with an underaged girl is rape is silly. Keep in mind rape happens REGARDLESS of age. It is bad anyway you slice it. However consensual sex with a 16 year old should not be punishable in the least bit.

reply to post by grapesofraft


Except that pedophilia and zoophilia are expressly prohibited by law and homosexuality is not except in the rare case where a state will still persecute someone under antiquated definitions of sodomy (which by the way include anything other than vaginal sex).

No one will ever convince me that two homosexuals in a dedicated relationship shouldn't be afforded the same rights and liberties as a dedicated straight couple just because some people think "it's gross".

I have never seen one remotely compelling argument against gay marriage rights.

Maybe next we should stop Spanish people from getting married, that way they won't have anymore children and Black people can go back to being the largest minority.

reply to post by grapesofraft

Well if you take it to the extreme, homosexuality is anti-species.

Not anti - species at all.
Too many births with not enough food out there, the whole *herd/pride/whatever* suffers.
Pair up and enjoy life without procreation could in all actually really help the species.

Also, well, I don’t want to generalize, but, with the characteristics that many *gay* animals have - you wouldn’t want them procreating.

I mean do tell how a lion species is going to survive as a whole and become stronger when the head of the pride says *Meow* at danger instead of *Roar*...?



PS - And for the guy who said animals don't enjoy sex?
You've never lived on a farm now have you?

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