What's wrong with a moment of silence (in public schools)?, page 2
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reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 11:43 PM by OldThinker
A little more on the kid, now grown up who got prayer removed from schools in the 60's...


William J. Murray

William J. Murray
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William J. Murray is the chairman of the Religious Freedom Coalition, a socially conservative organization, in Washington, D.C. He has been active on issues related to aiding Christians in Islamic and Communist nations.

William is the son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair,[1] an American atheist activist who came to national attention in Baltimore, Maryland, when she filed a lawsuit with the Supreme Court of the United States, saying that compulsory prayer and reading of the Bible in schools was unconstitutional.

Murray converted to Christianity in 1980. His mother reportedly stated, upon learning of his conversion, "One could call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times...he is beyond human forgiveness."[2] He felt similarly negative toward her - some have compared My Life Without God to Mommie Dearest,[3] (written by Christina Crawford about her mother Joan Crawford), as he made allegations such as: "She was just evil…She misused the trust of people. She cheated children out of their parents' inheritance."[4]

William J. Murray is the author of several Christian and conservative books including Let Us Pray and The Church Is Not For Perfect People. His most recent book is The Pledge: One Nation Under God, for which the foreword, "A Washington, DC insider", was written by Congressman Todd Akin.



Link:
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Think he feels guilty?

OT


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 11:43 PM by chapter29
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You aren't going to start talking and making noise are you?



Yes...I am.


And no, you never did establish whether you felt everyone should have to participate or have the choice not to...


Go right ahead...






reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 11:44 PM by grapesofraft
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Well some people would run around the theater screaming fire if it was a religious movie. Just the very mention of God sets their small minds ablaze and makes them run around with their fingers in their ears mumbling lalalalalala until they drowned it out.

I am amazed at how much rage people have for something they keep saying is imaginary. Their very actions almost prove God's existence to me, because how could anyone hate something they claim is a figment of people's imaginations.


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 11:45 PM by jd140
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Religion has nothing to do with this topic. I don't understand why it is being brought up time and time again.

Moment of silence is not religious.


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 11:46 PM by OldThinker
Originally posted by grapesofraft
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Well some people would run around the theater screaming fire if it was a religious movie. Just the very mention of God sets their small minds ablaze and makes them run around with their fingers in their ears mumbling lalalalalala until they drowned it out.

I am amazed at how much rage people have for something they keep saying is imaginary. Their very actions almost prove God's existence to me, because how could anyone hate something they claim is a figment of people's imaginations.






"Now that's funny!" in my best tow-ma-tor voice....


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 11:48 PM by jd140
Originally posted by chapter29
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post by jd140






You aren't going to start talking and making noise are you?



Yes...I am.


And no, you never did establish whether you felt everyone should have to participate or have the choice not to...


Go right ahead...





So you would be an A hole just because you don't like a movie and ruin it for everyone else?

Obviously you are either a regular 16 year old or a very immature adult. Either way this is the last post I am going to direct towards you.


I did state that they had a choice. If you failed to see that then you can read it again. Heres a hint, it has something to do with a book and shutting up.


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 11:55 PM by grapesofraft
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I believe it is being brought up because many of us would use a moment of silence to pray to our God. Someone would use it to picture the SI Swimsuit Models or whatever it is that they valued. I guess it would just be nice to have a moment of silence to reflect.


reply posted on 8-6-2009 @ 11:55 PM by chapter29
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I did state that they had a choice. If you failed to see that then you can read it again. Heres a hint, it has something to do with a book and shutting up.



No...you didn't.


You gave them something to do while they had to wait for the ritual to be over...





16 huh..? You're green dude...


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 02:26 AM by OldThinker
Originally posted by 5thElement
........Evil Atheist are trying to take over the world again ?


Did they own it before sometime?


Keeping on topic...the kid who was apart of the removal of prayer did grow up....Here's one of his talks....
II. Why Atheism Is Wrong

Having set forth briefly some reasons to believe in God, let me suggest five reasons why atheism is wrong.

A. It is unnatural and demands suppression of the truth everywhere evident about God. This explains why so few true atheists may be found. Atheism may be satisfying to the dilettantes who love to sit around drinking imported coffee and discussing the latest philosophical speculation, but it holds no appeal for the common man or woman. They see it for what it is—an empty philosophy devoid of meaning or purpose. Since atheism is fundamentally unnatural, we should not be surprised to hear that once the yoke of communism was removed, millions of people began searching for the truth about God.

B. It is an egocentric philosophy that puts man at the center of the universe. Most atheists would readily concede this point. Since God does not exist in their thinking, who else but man could ever be at the center of the universe?


C. It produces intellectual arrogance because no one knows enough to say conclusively, “I can prove that God does not exist.” Here are two simple questions to ask anyone who claims that God does not exist. 1) What percentage of knowledge of the universe do you possess? If they are honest, they must reply that their knowledge of the universe is extremely limited—it’s a micron of a proton of a molecule of a sliver of a tiny fraction of one-millionth of 1% of all the knowledge available in the entire universe. 2) Is it possible that God might exist outside your tiny sliver of knowledge? Again, if they are honest, they must answer yes. When you think about it, our knowledge is so limited that no one knows enough to say with certainty that God does not exist. In fact, you’d have to be God in order to deny his existence!

D. It is a negative philosophy that produces nothing positive. Atheism doesn’t build hospitals or universities. It doesn’t provide a meaningful system of morality or ethics. It doesn’t appeal to the hearts of men and women. It has nothing to offer to the hurting people of this world. As an essentially self-centered philosophy, it cannot inspire people to great acts of heroism and sacrifice for the benefit of others. Atheism doesn’t produce a way out of the gutter or off skid row. It can’t change the human heart or relieve the deep burden of sin.

E. It has no answer for the deepest questions of life.

Everyone who comes into the world must eventually grapple with three fundamental questions:

1. Where did I come from?

2. Why am I here?

3. Where am I going?

The first is the question of origins—and the atheist has no idea where he comes from. To him, life is nothing more than random chance. He is here as the result of millions of years of blind chance and mechanistic evolution. His life has no particular meaning. The second is the question of purpose—and since the atheist doesn’t believe in God, his life has no purpose unless he himself gives it one. The third is the question of destiny—and it is here that atheism is revealed in all its sad tragedy. For him, this life is all there is. We live, we die, we show up, we disappear, that’s all there is. No life after death, no heaven, no hell, no rewards, no punishment, just drifting off into oblivion.



link:
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Where's he wrong??????

OT


reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 02:41 AM by OldThinker
Did the founding fathers of America see this coming? Don't think so...


observe...

John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798 warned his fellow countrymen stating, "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams is a signer of the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and our second President.

Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration of Independence said. "[T]he only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be aid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments. Without religion, I believe that learning does real mischief to the morals and principles of mankind."

Noah Webster, author of the first American Speller and the first Dictionary said, "[T]he Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis, or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. . . . and I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence."
Gouverneur Morris, Penman and Signer of the Constitution. "[F]or avoiding the extremes of despotism or anarchy . . . the only ground of hope must be on the morals of the people. I believe that religion is the only solid base of morals and that morals are the only possible support of free governments. [T]herefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God."

Fisher Ames author of the final wording for the First Amendment wrote, "[Why] should not the Bible regain the place it once held as a school book? Its morals are pure, its examples captivating and noble. The reverence for the Sacred Book that is thus early impressed lasts long; and probably if not impressed in infancy, never takes firm hold of the mind."
John Jay, Original Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court , "The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts."

James Wilson, Signer of the Constitution; U. S. Supreme Court Justice, "Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is divine. . . . Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other."


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