Shame For Britain As BNP Win European Parliament Seats

I think a rational immigration system for all countries is the best thing for all interest, including new immigrants who arrive legally

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It would be great to have a debate about immigration that didn't contain name calling or sensationalism from both sides of the argument. I don't really think race should be part of the immigration debate. If your against or for mass immigration in the UK you should have that stance whether it's people English ethnicity immigrating back to England from America or people coming from the middle east. Otherwise your not really for or against the core issues regarding immigration. Take race out of the immigration debate and a lot of the sensationalism, fearmongering and name calling would be reduced.

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Shame for Britain? It most certainly is.

I understand that people are angry with the big parties, given the current financial climate and expenses row, but if you voted for the BNP as a protest vote you need a severe slapping! That's a fire that should never be played with. If you voted for them because you agree with their policies then you clearly have racist leanings, whether you want to admit it or not.

The BNP are indeed a bunch of racist thugs. Just because they have a hierarchy that is eloquent and cautious about what they publicly say doesn't mean that the core of the party is not inherently racist. The BNP puts forward candidates for constituencies where they know there is local disillusionment at the high number of immigrants. They campaign and recruit where they know they'll find bigots. For example in Scotland they can only be found campaigning at one football ground - Ibrox, home of Glasgow Rangers, a club where a large number of fans still sing racist and bigoted songs. A club who's fans went to Israel for a game and the majority made Nazi salutes. A perfect representation of the target market of the BNP.

I received the BNP flyer through my door. I had to laugh when it listed various battles that the British have fought to keep their nation free, including some (without a hint of irony) from WWII! Didn't we defend Britain from a bunch of racist thugs back then? Or were we fighting to keep our right to elect our own racist thugs?

Remember this - Adolf Hitler & the Nazis didn't rise to power on a "final solution" platform, they got there by using the politics of blame. The general populace were led to believe that all of Germany's problems were caused by immigrants. Sound familiar?

Originally posted by Taikonaut
Here's a question for you all..

A scottish nationalist is portrayed as just being proudly scottish

A welsh nationalist is portrayed as just being proudly welsh

An irish nationalist is portrayed as just being proudly irish

but..

An english nationalist is portrayed as being racist

why?

How about the fact that these parties operate based on a desire to break away from the union and not on a platform of "it's all the fault of those smelly immigrants"?

Originally posted by Cythraul

Why don't you start blaming the people actually responsible. OUR politicians, mostly white and British...

Well said. If it wasn't for the policies of New Labour we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. The fact that there is so many Eastern European workers coming in to the UK is mainly due to the low number of British kids learning a trade. A skills vacuum caused by New Labour giving kids the idea that anyone should be able to go to university. How many kids who at one time wouldn't have gotten near the doors of a university dropped out when they realised it was beyond them? How many of them went back and learned a trade? Not enough. Most have ended up in supermarkets and call centres, and the only way we were getting that leaky tap fixed was by calling in the Poles etc. Is that their fault? No. They aren't spongers, just people who came to work and pay taxes. Is that a drain on our society? No, and lot of them have headed back home now the exchange rate has caused the pound to lose its appeal.
The BNP never had much of a shot when immigration was more tightly controlled, but when New Labour started turning Britain into the "come and get it" nation illegal immigrants just couldn't resist. Now we have God knows how many spongers or potential terrorists hiding in our midst. Nowadays "asylum seekers" will travel through a whole bunch of other countries to get here for an easy life. If they were just fleeing persecution then why couldn't they have asked for asylum elsewhere? Why travel all the way to the UK? Because it's a guaranteed easily life. Do you blame them? I don't, it's not their fault for wanting it. It's the fault of New Labour's weak immigration policies.

Originally posted by Britguy

There is no shame in voting for these people, after all what other choice do we have in removing the current crop of corrupt and dishonest career politicians.

Plenty. I'd vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party. Makes more sense than a vote for the BNP.

Originally posted by sunny_2008ny

Recently ministers have resigned from the UK govt over the expenses scandal. The people want someone who can transcend party lines and make Britain what it once was.

When was Britain ran by the Nazis? And don't think for one second that BNP members wouldn't ride that gravy train just like any Labour or Tory MP.

Originally posted by sunny_2008ny

The govt has done that. It has limited the number of immigrants that can come to UK legally. For instance the HSMP program now requires that people have Master's degree if they want to immigrate to UK.

That's all well and good but it's not those wanting to come here legally and work that's the problem, it's the ridiculous number of asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. A problem caused by our own politicians that the BNP is blaming on the immigrants themselves.

Originally posted by ROBL240

Some people in the party may hold some distasteful views, but what party doesnt?

There's distasteful and then there's despicable. Guess which party's members are the latter...


SAY NO TO NAZIS!

SAY NO TO THE BNP!

That's to bad that people elected right-wing fanatic. It's like a bad re-run from 65 years ago. However, the people chose at the ballot box. Apparently the fascist said what they wanted to hear. Don't worry, we are experiencing the same lunacy as you folks on the other side of the pond.

I mean its as though the system in the UK is teetering with Gordon Brown and his Labor associates going against each other. Then you have that gargantuan surveillance apparatus spying on folks 24/7. It seems things are going overboard in the UK. I think what you folks are experiencing is a world wide phenomenon and sooner or later the whole thing gonna be turned upside down.
Good luck!

Well said sotp.

Precisely my thoughts.

Didn't our TRUE heritage lie in the fact the our great grandparents tried to defend us from racist thugs?

And her the ultimate betrayal lies in the fact the BNP play on our major fears and ignorance.

Helpfully fuelled by the 'let us decided how you think' media.

But essentially, it doesn't matter what you believe at the end of the day. We are all divided.

When we are now turning on ourselves, the forces that be, the people at the top of invisible hierarchy are probably in hysterics.

This is exactly what they want.

Division. Amongst the Proles.

I have considered voting BNP when all the other local candidates were bad. However I only did it because I knew they wouldn't get in.

What a clear proportion of 10%, of the (voting) people of Humberside and North Yorkshire have done is to show genuine sympathy with nutcase ideas (even if a swinging majority (also) voted because they thought the BNP wouldn't get in).

It's a disaster for those who would like a Britain that does not possess people who are provoked into vote BNP. Since that's the majority of people then it is a political disaster (and I am one of those people who agree!)
But since this is Britain, the disaster is modern, sociological, Britain!!!
And who's fault is that?

I wouldn't work yourselves up (massively) on "what if's" though, as it's no practical disaster (since the BNP clearly remain as far away from power as the light from the furthest stars). There are many reasons, not least the number of ethnic minorities who have white friends, and educated white people who hold modern views.

I suspect the majority of people who voted for the BNP did so not because of soft (or even hard core) Nazi ideologies, but because they're experience of ethnic minorities is-has been a poor one.
I suspect this is probably down to the same sociological reasons that cause so many ethnic minorities (in virtually all countries) to fill a higher than (national average) proportion of the prison population.

Personally the only thing I respect about the BNP (as an entity) is the fact it's members face opposition about as fanatical as their own beliefs.
This however is how democracy is supposed to work, and the fact the vast majority of people oppose the BNP is (surely) proof enough democracy (both does) and is working? I support democracy, and oppose fascism fanaticism! (in all its forms).

Originally posted by Liberal1984

I wouldn't work yourselves up (massively) on "what if's" though, as it's no practical disaster (since the BNP clearly remain as far away from power as the light from the furthest stars).

Dropping even a small pebble can cause large ripples in the water.

Many of the BNP's votes may have come as a protest but there are many other fringe parties to waste a protest vote on. If none of them have put forward a candidate in your area then I would recommend abstaining. I don't think people should entertain voting BNP even as a joke.

For a satirical look at a future for Britain under the BNP, I highly recommend you watch episode 6 of the excellent BBC series "Time Trumpet"...

Part One

Part Two

Part Three

It's good for a chuckle, check it out if you have 30 mins to spare.

Yipes from one extream to the next, it all leads to the same destination.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating!

13 pages here discussing immigration and EU related issues.

BNP making headline National news and discussions starting about immigration and EU related issues.

Would this have happened if the protest vote had not occurred?
Well it certainly hadn't prior to it so make up your own mind.

It is refreshing and encouraging to see the comments of merkava who has attempted to show some objectivity.

As has been repeatedly stated both here and on MSM, the majority of these votes were in protest of the constant willful disregard shown by ALL major parties for the cares and concerns of ordinary British people.
We are sick of watching these parasites feed from the trough and then serve up a constant diet of PC driven bollocks which we do not want.

We can not allow this country deteriorate anymore.

Well this is our democracy at work.

The only shame I see here is that other political parties are not as motivated and as organized as these guys are.

It is unfortunate that the BNP are doing so well. But they are a neccessary evil, because they are extremists. Without those, UKIP would be considered the extremists, and the political menu would be a bland choice of labour conservative and lib dems.

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Stuff the parliament, there's no such thing as 'democracy' in any real sense...just a sop to make the populace believe they have a say in affairs to keep them quiet

Bring back the Monarchy and let them have a bash at running things...can't be any worse than the current mess we're in can it

Originally posted by sunny_2008ny
This is a shame. The person who is elected says that blacks and others are inferior to the whites. The BNP says that they are survivalists, not racist.

He says that the execution of Jews was propoganda, which is false. The win in Yorkshire is indeed sad and uncomfortable for UK. It is an embarrasment for Britan and European Parliment



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It never ceases to amaze me that someone existing in a Nation which not only fought the Nazis, but was also nearly obliterated by them, can somehow find it worthwhile or logical to support and/or claim the name of the aforementioned psychopaths. It is a similar situation with the Neo-Nazis in America, as I never understood how ANYONE could ever support or parade around under the label of the very movement which our forefathers fought and died against. This is absolutely sickening

Please excuse my ignorance, Everyone. I know very little about British politics. But some of the things mentioned in the original article are very startling and seem to have close parallels to Hitler's rise. I'm not saying that is what is going to happen but so many of the circumstances seem similar.

A certain group is accused of destroying the nation, you have someone from a minority party rise to a position of power, the people are sick of being screwed over and are desperate for their country to be repaired, etc.

I'm only going from the article since I know so little but is this not alarming?

Former chairman of the Neo-Nazi National Front group

In 1982, Brons led a National Front march through Northfield on which marchers chanted: “We’ve got to get rid of the blacks”.

Brons is documented as saying to PC John Raj: “Inferior beings like yourself probably do not understand the principle of free speech”.

Brons started his political career in the National Socialist Movement, a group that that was deliberately founded on Hitler’s birthday.

I'm stopping there but the entire article is filled with horrifying information in just about every paragraph.

Being from Texas which is also faced with many problems due to illegal immigration and being personally cautious about 'Islamization' and the possible eventual implementation of Sharia Law- especially as a woman, these things do concern me and I understand the frustration. You're also sick of your politicians (we are too over here) and sometimes feel like we get to the point where we're ready to try anything but our current system that is proving itself to be a failure.

However, is this really the way to go? This move is sending off alarm bells all over the place and sounds like a perfect storm of history repeating itself.

Am I missing something or does it sound as bad as I am reading this?

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Well said Sotp...

I am sick of excuses. Whenever you provide BNP supporters with evidence of blatant racism they just brush it over with excuses...

"Oh that’s just one member"

"It was just mildly racist"

"What about the labour/Tory MP's?"

Blah Blah Blah

They just can’t admit to being racist because deep down somewhere they know it’s WRONG!

Originally posted by Lazyninja
Well this is our democracy at work.

The only shame I see here is that other political parties are not as motivated and as organized as these guys are.

It is unfortunate that the BNP are doing so well. But they are a neccessary evil, because they are extremists. Without those, UKIP would be considered the extremists, and the political menu would be a bland choice of labour conservative and lib dems.

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Even though people bleat on about how bad the BNP is, at least we have more than 2 parties to vote for. No matter what your views , your dislikes and pet hates, at least the people here in the UK can have a choice of over half a dozen parties and the number is growing, what have most other countries got? 1 ? 2 ?....
What choice do they have? but all I'll say is that ALL politicians or ALL parties are only in it for THEMSELVES and not the people their SUPPOSED to be representing.

Originally posted by Muckster
We have problems in Britain that need to be addressed, immigration is one of them. But this is nothing new. In fact, for all you people who claim that Britain is losing its identity, it already has. If you want to live with pure British people then move to the Shetlands. It’s about the only place left where you will find a "True" Brit. The rest of us are made up of all sorts of genetic backgrounds. We have been invaded by the Vikings, Normans, Anglo-Saxons, Germanic tribes, Romans etc...
Even rare African DNA has been found in White British men!

First off, I'm no BNP supporter, see my sig as I voted English Democrats this time round.

But, youre "assessment" of the history of Britain is woefully erroneous. Roman, Viking, Anglo-Saxon and Norman invasions actually brought in very few immigrants amongst the common folk, they tended to only replace the top echelon of society and the common man got on with things under a new leadership.

Granted, some interbreeding happened, but the way you describe it is akin to each "invasion" culling the entire population and starting afresh, which is NOT what happened in the slightest.

The latest studies I have read on the genetic history of the UK is that 69% of people have a lineage tracing all the way back to pre-Roman times. In some area's this is higher than others, but 69% is the average.

Oh, and another point. In the Shetlands, you are far more likely to find descendants of Vikings than any "true Brit", just thought you'd like to know. Your argument is full of holes, sorry.

Am I missing something or does it sound as bad as I am reading this?

No it is not as bad as some might try and make members in here believe. The Vote the that the BNP won, was a protest votes, remember the number of people who came out to vote for the European elections was at a low time low. More people are done with politics, they see most of the mainstream political parties, worse than each other. Most do not see any difference between the main political parties is why most did not vote at all. Voters apathy leads to fringe parties to gain seats or win bi elections.

The three main parties are going to have to sort out thier mess before the next general election, I fear that if they do not, the BNP will get a seat in the UK Parilament. Now that its self would send off alarm bells.

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It would be a very bad day at the polls if the BNP got into Parliament, due to our voting system. Most people would have only voted BNP as a protest and it is only because of the PR system used in the EU that they got a seat. For example, I voted ED in the EU vote, but I would vote Tory in the General Election as our voting system will just mean a wasted vote, barring a HUGE swing away from the Tories to the English Democrats or a change in the voting system.