conscious Oobe....It's Real!!

I just grabed a book to read, and on the page I opened I came accross this. I figure it's fits this thread.

Each and every man therefore that will be a Magician must explore the Universe for himself. This is pre-eminently the case in the matter of the Astral Plane, because the symbols are so sensitive. Nothing is easier than to suggest visions, or to fashion phantasms to suit one's ideas. It is obviously impossible to communicate with an independent intelligence --- the one real object of astral research --- if one allows one's imagination to surround one with courtiers of one's own creation.

...

The Magician may go on for a long time being fooled and flattered by the Astrals that he has himself modified or manufactured. Their natural subservience to himself will please him, poor ape!

They will pretend to show him marvellous mysteries, pageants of beauty and wonder unspeakably splendid; he will incline to accept them as true, for the very reason that they are images of himself idealized by the imagination.

But his real progress will stop dead. These phantasms will prevent him from coming into contact with independent intelligences, from whom alone he can learn anything new.

He will become increasingly interested in himself, imagine himself to be attaining one initiation after another. His Ego will expand unchecked, till he seem to himself to have heaven at his feet. Yet all this will be nothing but his fool's face of Narcissus smirking up from the pool that will drown him.

Source: Magick in Theory and Practice Appendix III by Aliester Crowley

I tried it all last night. I wasnt able to acheive a full C-OOBE i had some very strange sensations though my body, also heard voices and seen shaddows at my window. The only thing i had close to an C-OOBE was the feeling of being pulled from the body...the problem was everytime i felt it i got exited and it just stoped. There is definantly something here, im going to keep practicing untill i get it right

Have u ever tried astroprojction. similar thing and u would be able to achieve it faster. I have some books on astro projection if u wanna investgate more

Originally posted by kklover
Have u ever tried astroprojction. similar thing and u would be able to achieve it faster. I have some books on astro projection if u wanna investgate more

I must take a moment here to laugh.

I am really NOT TRYING to be rude kklover, BUT...............there are not enough words.....or space in cyber space for me to even begin....................


nevermind.

I will just MOVE ALONG now......................

OH MY HECK!

I just want to say that my last post...was my FIRST POST EVER that I did not NEED to edit somehow.

SO YEY FOR ME!!!

I finally posted a post that went un edited and that is a first I swear!!




[edit on 26-10-2006 by theRiverGoddess]

It's been awhile since I have visited this thread, but it is out of sadness taht I return. I am sad that I cannot seem to do this any more. I've done it once and since then, I have just felt like someone is pushing me back and caging me in my body. I get to the final phase and I start to feel like I can leave, then suddenly it's like out of nowhere I am on lockdown.

Originally posted by euwhajavb
I've done it once

I was told by my origonal 'yanker' that when this happens ONE TIME...you can never shut it out of your life again, and this will always be something that WILL continue happen in your life...................

As for your other issues, I would 'cleanse' your living space.......sage smudge smoke as described back in the further back pages of this thread....and protecting yourself by surrounding yourself in white light would probebly help to.

Hello Astral Travelers.

Just wondering if I might get some help here.I know the first few pages or so (as far as I've read) RiverGoddess and a few others were requesting a "Yank Out".If it would not be too much to ask I would be very grateful to anyone who would do the same for me.

I've been attempting this on and off for a couple of years,and I got very close (I think...) a few times,but can never really "get the job done",so to speak.I think it may be partially my ADD (or at least the thought that was planted in my mind that I have ADD,but that's another thread ) that is causing me to give up before it ever actually happens.

My most recent attempts have been less successful than my previous ones.The most recent (about 20 minutes ago) left me feeling sort of....buzzed.Almost like I was intoxicated.That feeling is still continuing to this very moment,and I feel fairly light-headed as well.Hopefully this means I'm on the right track.

Anyway,if anyone has the ability to do this,again,I would be most grateful.I've always believed in astral projection,but I feel in order to fully connect what I believe,to what's truly out there,I must experience it myself.Thanks in advance,

Doc

Update...

This morning when I woke up I was layed there all nicely relaxed and felt myself slippin out so I went with it. Everything felt exactly like when ive had OBE's before such as a warm feeling all over and tingling but when I floated outside onto our street there where people there that shouldnt be there such as my sister who lives a few miles away and a few old school mates. This has happened before where im havin an OBE and then something will happen which makes me question if im having an OBE, a dream or a bit of both?

Ive just got up out of bed as our cat kept on distractin me meowing at my door and my head feels really heavy and numb.

Also.... slighthly off topic but... last night I had a few moments where I became lucid in my dreams and in one of them, an old mate who I knew at school actually came upto me to remind 'me' that im dreaming. Straight away I became lucid but this doesnt happen very often, its usualy the other way round where im goin upto people reminding 'them' that there dreaming. (not that this usualy achieves much but I still do it a lot for some reason.

Try leaving your body while awake.

If you can turn around and see your body, then your exteriorization is real.

I have seen myself asleep a few times and in the same position as ive fallen asleep in but in most cases, its not something that crosses my mind and I just want to venture further away. One thing that really stands out too which I didnt mention is how much my vision got better as I got outside. Its like someone removing a blindfold.. its not very often that I have OBE's when its bright outside.

Leaving my body whilst awake is what I am doing here, oh so very often.
I have found my awareness of being 'out' is coming to the forefront of my mind quite often in my lucid dreaming moreso than ever before. I think that all the 'practice' is just helping me to get better at this, and be MORE aware of the sensations of being out.
I experiance the wind, cold, or rain.....I can SMELL things and find that odd because I really have no physical nose, but I can SMELL snow in the air or flowers.

Last night I went to sleep with a pretty severe backache......I was just wanting to sleep a.s.a.p and sleep long and hard. I got to that 'special place' where I am NOT asleep yet but am very deeply inside my own head and ~POP OUT~
I then thought how my backache might be made worse somehow from going on an OOBE trip and was thinking about my back ie: MY BODY so back in I went. I was happy to be back in really....I was wanting to sleep, but a few mins later I pop out again.........sheesh. I go back to my body and turn over and make sure my jaw is closed and not opened to attempt to hinder my soul from popping out.
At this point it seemed like I stayed in and went to sleep.

I am shaking my head at the kunundrum of NOT wanting to OOBE. That is unusuall for me to say the least...........you ALL know it is my goal to explore this and learn to be better at it. I still find it coming to me randomly and not by choice, so not wanting to go with the flow last night seemed like an odd choice for me, but it is what I wanted. I cant begin to describe the back issues I was dealing with last night......

MAYBE going OOBE would have helped me with the back problems I don't know
It did not seem like the best choice for me last night. This is part of the randomness of the experiance for me, that it can sometimes come to me when I do NOT want it. Going back in my body, yet popping out again is seeming like a weird argument I do not have much control over..........

.....I guess it is time for me to find another book on the subject and see if I can gain some fresh perspectives......
I am open for book ideas if anybody has a suggestion.

.... I like the quote CUG added at the top of this page, but I am truly not seeking to practice Majik, so I am not so inclined to read Aliester Crowley....that idea kinda scres me for some reason.


[edit on 14-11-2006 by theRiverGoddess]

To River Godess and Others:

I have spent the better part of the evening reading through this fascinating thread. I would like to share my experience; I'll try to be as brief as possible.

I had an OBE when I was about 7 years old. I was spinning at the foot of my bed looking at my body. I wasn't really frightened, just awe struck. I immediately went back into my body.

I had been trying to have an OBE again for years; just as TRG had tried; I guess I differ from her in that I actually had an OBE and didn't have to wait years for the first I guess. But it took years for another conscious obe to occur again.

Anyway, I am a 42 year old male who became disabled in 2003. I had been fighting my illness since 1999. I had to quit work in 2003. All my life I had and have been seeking spiritual fulfillment. Partially because I lost both parents at a very young age, got adopted, and then lost those new parents at a relatively young age (teens). Well, I wanted to know what the heck gives. You know, the whole why me thing. I read all the Monroe books. Many more books on NDE's and the like. As I became ill my journey led me back to the faith of my childhood, the Roman Catholic Church. Not that its the answer, far from it. But it is what makes me comfortable. I now try to go to mass daily. I enjoy the peace it provides me. In 2004 I was really trying to learn more about my faith. It was during lent that this experience which changed me so much occurred. I was determined to read the bible from beginning to end. So I purchased one which provided a passage each day to read for 365 days; at the end of which I had read the entire bible. (or at least the bible my faith claims to be complete). Well, I had just read my bible and my rosary that evening. I had been having many instances of sleep paralysis almost nightly. I knew my fear was keeping me from a full scale obe. Well that night before I closed my eyes, I asked my Guardian Angel to please reveal him/herself to me. I wanted some validation or confirmation that what I was doing on this earth was the right path. I had been struggling to figure out what I was supposed to be doing here for many years. Well, that night I got what i asked for.

I don't believe I had closed my eyes for more than 2 minutes, and whoosh, I was physically pulled from my bed by my waist. My apartment had tall 12 foot ceilings. I flew through the air, up to the ceiling of my adjoining bathroom. I was floating over my bathtub. I was frightened, but I asked the creator for the strength to push the fear away. I was still being held. I was up in the corner of the bathroom and I leaned my head back to see who/what was holding me. Well its sort of illogical as there was a wall there to prevent anyone from being behind me, but the wall didn't seem to exist. When I leaned back, I saw my guide/angel. He was brilliant. He exuded the most marvelous golden light, ohh, jeez, i still get teary eyed over it. It felt like love. I had never felt so loved, and at that instant I got my validation. God existed, I would live forever. I believe my guide's name is Andrew. After I looked at my guide, I immediately slammed back into my body. I woke with a bolt. Man, I felt electric. When I looked over the the bathroom, there I saw my cat Brother standing on the top of the toilet with his forearms on the top of the tank. He was looking at the corner of the bathroom where I had been, up by the ceiling. Brother NEVER went into that bathroom. He was scared to death he would get water thrown on him or something. Since that time, I have had other experiences, but not a full fledged conscious obe. I get attacked by Shadow people quite often. I find a bit of holy water splashed here and there usually allows me a good nights rest. Sometimes I think the darkside does not like when a soul is going through enlightenment. Well thank you all for listening, and I hope to continue seeking with you all.

wow........................... THANK YOU so much for sharing that cmb.

I was pulled from the weist that first time as well and still remeber what it felt like......totally like a physical lifting from anothers arms.......no differant.

Tell 'Brother' hello from me and 'Poodle'

>'.'< >'.'

Hello all! im unaware to what extent this thread is being monitored BUT if there any people who have the ability to assist me in the way that the rivergoddess was assisted i would be most appreciative. I have been trying to verify something.. anything.. and this would definitly put the fire back into my spirit so to speak, i am aware of what could happen (or so i beleive) and i am ready to face that, if anyone thinks they may be able to assist me please by all means take your time, im in no rush! although of course my mind is yelling the sooner the better.. or maybe thats my heart anyways! thanks for reading this AND sorry for getting of topic, if in fact i did! thanks!

Last night I was out and about, but do not have any real concious memory of the exact experiance.
Feeling unwell, I took some perscription painkillers last night.
Once almost asleep, I have full recall of popping out, but then not being able to see.....
THEN I recall having a wild dream, and trying to be lucid and change it... yet it would NOT change. In frusteration of having no luck with my changing the dream ability I was thinking maybe I was NOT as lucid as I thought.... then the WHOOSHING feeling of a roller coaster took over and BLAM I was slammed back to my body and this woke me up fully. I was surprised by this, for I thought I was just dreaming.

Sooooo.........I am guessing I was out doing 'something' but I am unsure exactly what.....

My OOBE recall was only of getting out and not seeing clearly.....the rest I was sure I was so sure I was dreaming, but then had the physical sensations of the 'return to body'.........so I HAD to have been out and about. I am convinced ALL falling dreams are only the return to the body.
I WISH I could recall what I was up to but.....being on drugs makes recall to fuzzy to be clear.
This makes it very clear as to WHY using drugs as a doorway is not the greatest idea for your memory of the event will be cloudy.....and your not very in control on the other side because your , well......CLOUDY in the head and out of control.

omg omg guys I almost made it out just now!

It's been like a month since my last post, and i've been trying to obe everyday, and i ALMOST made it out just now!! it was crazy, i am totally mind-blown right now and just don't know what to say!!!

Okay so I was just taking an afternoon nap, and I was having a dream. I realized I was in a dream, and I became totally conscious of it. So at that moment, I thought to myself, okay I want to get out of my body!

Then I concentrated on that thought, and suddenly I can feel the dream end, and I can totally feel myself wide awake in my bed again, EXCEPT there was a LOUD ringing noise, and my body was vibrating so violently it felt like the whole the world was shaking! At this point I was wide awake, and kept thinking to myself to float out, but I can't seem to do it. So then I gave myself the thought to "see", then I felt a flash, and I got a blurry vision of my room! I was 100% sure my eyes were closed and my body was lying still, but I can "see" my room. Then I got really excited, and suddenly I felt like I was falling, kinda like when you are on a roller coaster, and then the noises and vibrations went away...

Did the falling mean I was actually already out of my body? But I am so excited right now, I have never ever came that close! I was 100% wide awake through all of this, so I KNOW I was not dreaming!

The falling meant you were returning to the spot from which you control your body which for most is within their frame. This is why they are unaware they are are spirits. They think they are animals and behave like animals or I should say they treat others like they are animals.

TRG:

I wanna have an OOAE (out of apartment experience)

I hate moving!!

maybe if I had some oobe people help me move while they are out and about, eh?

maybe I'll be so tired and relaxed I can pop out for a well deserved "road trip".

Have Fun,

AT

well i have alot to say but wont say it all right now that led me to this site found it completely on my own but with a little help from above. I'm starting to become a very spiritual person and believe that i'm one of a kind. i keep finding out all kinds of stuff about me that i never knew from this site. I believe that anything can happen anywhere anything any time. but the other night i expereienced something very usually something i have never felt before by the way i'am 18 years of age. I was laying there in my bed with the music turned on very low volume so i could barely hear it helps me sleep better but i remember laying there going in and out of a deep sleep n waking back up opening my eyes, and iam a very deep thinker on everything and anything. But anywayz i was laying there in a deep thought and weird stuff was starting to happening first it felt like i was sleeping but i was awake with my eyes closed and in a very deep trance about thought n then could faintly hear a voice come in and out of my head about 3 times i don't fully remember what they said so i went with the flow next thing i know i hear rushing wind sound like RiverGoddess described i think it was or maybe sum1 else said about the rushing wind sound i was hearing that and then i heard the voice inside of my head again n then all of a sudden in the back of my head inside it i could feel a very strong pull in my head like my soul was trying to get out but i never knew about this consicious OOBE b4 yesterday morning and this happened the night b4 so the other night this happened but as soon as i felt this pull i stopped about my thought's and opened my eyes very quickly and as soon as i did that the rushing wind sound went away the music came back on as the same loudless and then i shortly fell alseep... and so i was wondering if i was about to experience an conscious OOBE, im very intriged and intrested in spiritual stuff, i have become invovled in spiritual stuff ever since i have a real bad run in with a DRUG named ECSTASY whcih was a very close to a near death expereince i was into spiritual things b4 that too but not as much as iam today. and i do not do ecstasy anymore. I think sumhow i'm Gifted but am how sure how yet i guess thats for me to learn on my own i have got a very good peace of mind i belive i have been givin signs and that is what led me to this site. so could any1 help me out here it would be very much appreaciated