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Originally posted by warrenb
reply to post by Neon Haze
I love it when, by using logic and facts, we can get truth.
It's funny that people will believe in a religion with all the mumbo jumbo, walking on water etc, but be very opposed to accepting that UFO's are real.
Parallels suggested about the lives
of Jesus & Horus, an Egyptian God
The Christian myths were first related of Horus or Osiris, who was the embodiment of divine goodness, wisdom, truth and purity...This was the greatest hero that ever lived in the mind of man -- not in the flesh -- the only hero to whom the miracles were natural because he was not human." Gerald Massey, author of "The Natural Genesis," 1
"None of the attempts made by sceptics [sic] to demonstrate that Christianity is false because it contains alleged pagan elements is credible or convincing." Unidentified historian. 2
King James Version. "...I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me."
Young's Literal Translation: "And I [am] Jehovah thy God from the land of Egypt, And a God besides Me thou dost not know, And a Saviour -- there is none save Me."
Most conservative Christians look upon the Bible as a "top-down" document: one revealed by God to humans. Since fraud, deceit, and lying are not attributes normally associated with God, they believe that the Bible -- as God's Word -- is truthful and accurate.
Many skeptics view the Bible as a "bottom-up" document: one written by human authors to promote their religious and spiritual beliefs. Such authors are quire capable of adopting religious concepts of other cultures and incorporating them into their literary works.
On this topic, we are faced with a stalemate. Skeptical commentators claim that there are many parallels between the lives of Horus and Jesus; Christian commentators tend to deny the existence of most or all of them.
Some skeptics may lose objectivity because they are motivated by a desire to weaken the claims of Christianity; Christians may lose objectivity because they don't want to admit that there such parallels could exist and throw doubt on the accuracy of the Bible. We have not yet found an objective, reliable source.
Debates about the validity of the
evidence for the copycat thesis
Originally posted by Dean Goldberry
reply to post by willyt
Yes, unfortunately. The religious are BIG time pandered to or coddled. Otherwise we would be truly seriously focused strictly on things like UFOs and (very apparent) nonhuman visitors, and interacting with others in the galaxy, universe or multiverse. The National "Security" STATE wouldn't exist, and we would be concerned only with knowledge; not unproven beliefs. I hope that's clear enough.
Originally posted by Seaman_Richie
Proof? here at ATS? Nah... have we ever had any "Proof" for anything...honestly come on now.
Proof that 9/11 was an Inside Job.
Proof that Extra Terrestrials Exist.
Proof that President Obama is the Anti-Christ.
Their should be a new rule implemented here at this website when it comes to making a title. Don't use the word "Proof" unless you actually have evidence to support your claims!
Mind you I typically over look such threads with "Proof" in the title...but since I liked the Zeitgeist movie I figured ...I'd view this one, thus far I'm content....so carry on arguing about a pointless debate with no end.
[edit on 24-5-2009 by Seaman_Richie]
I didn't think this point would come up in this thread, but it is by all means true. If you want to go even further with this idea: no one really knows if anything exists outside him or herself at all. This world that we seem to be perceiving outside of us could really just be an illusion that is created inside of you whatever you are and everything is within you rather than you being a part of existence with limited knowledge, power, and presence. That would make you God. Fun!
linkage between Krishna and Christ:
Many early Christian theologians noted the extreme similarity between Christianity and other religions such as Hinduism. a henotheistic religion, Mithraism an ancient Pagan religion, etc.
Eusebius of Caesarea (circa 283-371 CE) wrote: "The religion of Jesus Christ is neither new nor strange."
St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 CE) wrote: "This, in our day, is the Christian religion, not as having been unknown in former times, but as having recently received that name."
Some early Christian leaders attributed the similarities between Christianity and earlier religions to a trick of Satan. They felt that Satan had created many crucified saviors, born of virgins, before Jesus in order to discredit Christianity's uniqueness. Others attribute the similarities to coincidence.
Some liberal religious historians have raised the possibility that stories of Jesus' birth, ministry, execution, and resurrection were copied, at least in part, from Krishna's life.
If a strong Krishna - Christ link exists, what is left of Christianity?
If one were to the Gospels the events in Jesus' life that seem to oA very human, itinerant, Jewish, rabbi-healer.riginate in Krishna's story, one would end up with a story of:
A very human, itinerant, Jewish, rabbi-healer.
A teacher who largely followed the teachings of Hillel -- a liberal Jewish rabbi from the 1st century BCE.
An observant Jew who had a special relationship with God -- a kinship so close that Jesus referred to God by the familiar term "Abba."
This is very close to the image of Jesus found by many liberal theologians, in their quest for the historical Jesus.
If the events in Jesus' life that appear to come from Krishna were eliminated as invalid, then most of the key Christian beliefs about Jesus would have to be abandoned: his virgin birth, incarnation, sinless life, crucifixion, descent into Hell, resurrection, ascension to heaven. Criteria for salvation, belief in the Trinity, the inerrancy of the Bible, the inspiration of the authors of the Bible by God, etc. would also have to be rejected.