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Originally posted by Neon Haze
no problem at all,
One good source is "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors: Christianity before Christ" Kersey Graves.
Originally posted by Neon Haze
The stories of Jesus and Horus are more than very similar. The legends of Horus go back three thousand years, and he shares the following in common with Jesus:
Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, His birth was announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
The story of Mithra precedes the Christian fable by at least 600 years and was "the most popular and widely spread 'Pagan' religion of the times."
Mithra has the following in common with the Jesus.
Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25th.
He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
He had 12 companions
His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper."
In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves. He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
Prometheus shares a number of similarities with the Christ character.
Prometheus descended from heaven as God incarnate as man, to save mankind.
He was crucified, suffered and rose from the dead.
Buddha was born of the virgin Maya, who was considered the "Queen of Heaven." He was of royal descent. He crushed a serpent's head. He performed miracles and wonders, healed the sick, fed 500 men from a "small basket of cakes," and walked on water. He abolished idolatry, was a "sower of the word," and preached "the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness."
# The Four Noble Truths: that suffering is an inherent part of existence; that the origin of suffering is ignorance and the main symptoms of that ignorance are attachment and craving; that attachment and craving can be ceased; and that following the Noble Eightfold Path will lead to the cessation of attachment and craving and therefore suffering.
# The Noble Eightfold Path: right understanding, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration.
I don't know what I was thinking. I apologize. I didn't know you had facts that support non-existence.
Might I ask where you got these facts from? Is something does not exist I am confused as to where facts could come from.
As one of the other posters so eloquently stated in his attempt to slander religious beliefs. "Did you get these from your imaginary friend?"
Facts have to come from somewhere my friend and from nothing comes nothing. So please do tell how you got facts from non-existence.
I can assure you, that if you got facts from non-existence, in fact there would have to be existence in order to gather facts
These are NOT theories.
You mean you actually found supporting evidence of non-existence.
My friend you need to submit that to the board for a Nobel prize, you are the first person in the history of mankind to be able to provide evidence of something that doesn't exist.
I personally glad I got to meet you here. You are indeed a special person being able to accomplish the impossible.
Originally posted by cancerian42
reply to post by manbird12000
I didn't think this point would come up in this thread, but it is by all means true. If you want to go even further with this idea: no one really knows if anything exists outside him or herself at all. This world that we seem to be perceiving outside of us could really just be an illusion that is created inside of you whatever you are and everything is within you rather than you being a part of existence with limited knowledge, power, and presence. That would make you God. Fun!
How about *That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger*?
Originally posted by Dean Goldberry
THE reason, to the extent there's only one, humanity hasn't (yet?) been able to reach any of the larger, broader truths, and become an at least reasonably civilized species (overall), is because of religions - and ESPECIALLY the PARTICULARLY dogmatic Abrahamic-monotheistic ones. Too many people are too brainwashed with the notion that beliefs equal truths, when REAL truths are simply objective, proven facts. Religions are the original and primary reason for the existence of secrecy-BASED government(s) and all the concurrent horror, misery and corruption, as I see it. Too many fragile, flimsy-eggshell egos and psyches would or will be shattered by the revelation of enough objectivity (for the first time ever). Ya-HEESH!! The "fun" never ends...
Relation to Christianity
A similarity between Mithra and Christ struck even early observers, such as Justin, Tertullian, and other Fathers, and in recent times has been urged to prove that Christianity is but an adaptation of Mithraism, or at most the outcome of the same religious ideas and aspirations (e.g. Robertson, "Pagan Christs", 1903). Against this erroneous and unscientific procedure, which is not endorsed by the greatest living authority on Mithraism, the following considerations must be brought forward.
(1) Our knowledge regarding Mithraism is very imperfect; some 600 brief inscriptions, mostly dedicatory, some 300 often fragmentary, exiguous, almost identical monuments, a few casual references in the Fathers or Acts of the Martyrs, and a brief polemic against Mithraism which the Armenian Eznig about 450 probably copied from Theodore of Mopsuestia (d. 428) who lived when Mithraism was almost a thing of the past -- these are our only sources, unless we include the Avesta in which Mithra is indeed mentioned, but which cannot be an authority for Roman Mithraism with which Christianity is compared. Our knowledge is mostly ingenious guess-work; of the real inner working of Mithraism and the sense in which it was understood by those who professed it at the advent of Christianity, we know nothing.
(2) Some apparent similarities exist; but in a number of details it is quite probable that Mithraism was the borrower from Christianity. Tertullian about 200 could say: "hesterni sumus et omnia vestra implevimus" ("we are but of yesterday, yet your whole world is full of us"). It is not unnatural to suppose that a religion which filled the whole world, should have been copied at least in some details by another religion which was quite popular during the third century. Moreover the resemblances pointed out are superficial and external. Similarity in words and names is nothing; it is the sense that matters. During these centuries Christianity was coining its own technical terms, and naturally took names, terms, and expressions current in that day; and so did Mithraism. But under identical terms each system thought its own thoughts. Mithra is called a mediator; and so is Christ; but Mithra originally only in a cosmogonic or astronomical sense; Christ, being God and man, is by nature the Mediator between God and man. And so in similar instances. Mithraism had a Eucharist, but the idea of a sacred banquet is as old as the human race and existed at all ages and amongst all peoples. Mithra saved the world by sacrificing a bull; Christ by sacrificing Himself. It is hardly possible to conceive a more radical difference than that between Mithra taurochtonos and Christ crucified. Christ was born of a Virgin; there is nothing to prove that the same was believed of Mithra born from the rock. Christ was born in a cave; and Mithraists worshipped in a cave, but Mithra was born under a tree near a river. Much as been made of the presence of adoring shepherds; but their existence on sculptures has not been proven, and considering that man had not yet appeared, it is an anachronism to suppose their presence.
(3) Christ was an historical personage, recently born in a well-known town of Judea, and crucified under a Roman governor, whose name figured in the ordinary official lists. Mithra was an abstraction, a personification not even of the sun but of the diffused daylight; his incarnation, if such it may be called, was supposed to have happened before the creation of the human race, before all history. The small Mithraic congregations were like masonic lodges for a few and for men only and even those mostly of one class, the military; a religion that excludes the half of the human race bears no comparison to the religion of Christ. Mithraism was all comprehensive and tolerant of every other cult, the Pater Patrum himself was an adept in a number of other religions; Christianity was essential exclusive, condemning every other religion in the world, alone and unique in its majesty.
Originally posted by Dean Goldberry
reply to post by willyt
That's concurrent horror etc. of secrecy-based government, which wouldn't exist, primarily, if the religious didn't need to be coddled and pandered to like spoiled little kids... IMO.