My understanding is pigs always have some sort of flu circulating among them.
Proper cooking of the meat eliminates any possible risk of it being passed to people. And I believe it can't be contracted through ingestion.

Maybe an element of risk dealing with raw meat, but I've never heard about it.

This is, by the way, a primarily human virus, with elements of bird and swine ones mixed. The pigs are more at risk form people than the other way around.

Indications coming out there may be more than one strain of virus involved in all this.


Mike

Ok. I just got a couple of questions about these. One is WHERE did the gov. agency CDC come from to run all American offices in the world....and who do these people of the fox office work about to spin the 'pork' food against people? Are they EATING pork for lunch or supper or are they making a joke against us all?

Sofi, GREAT post Old ATS School.

Now MUMBLYJOE and CHEVALEROUS, bring very important info to the table, let me add something here from the empiric side.

I live in Mexico city and I am connected to lots of people in all levels of society from the very TOP to regular Joe´s.

I have seen and discussed that there have been a lot of Flu cases in Mexico city since December, being a representative of a large school (private) and my wife being an english teacher we have noticed an alarming rate of flu attacks since last year.

I became infected with a very nasty virus in January after returning from 9 days in San Francisco, I caught the bug there in a huge convention and 3 weeks after getting well I got sick again of the flu but in a milder way.

The simptoms were similar but the first one I could barely talk and I really though twice before eating or passing water since the trhoath pain was so much.

Now we have been cuarenteened since April 23 basically the city has been closed down, the hospitals at first were full of people with flu.

Of those less than 500 had a "terrible flu case", to this day there have been 25 deaths and less than a 100 confirmed h1n1 cases, the other cases WHAT ARE THEY?

One of my clients had her son sick with H!N1 he was saved because of very fast action, good medicine and strong will. He is 18 years old. He had the H1N1 strain because her mother works in gene secuencing and she sent the sample to the lab herself.

Sh told me that her son symptoms are not like other sick patients they have. She thinks that at lest the outbreak in MExico city is related to 2 strains.

She confirmed that if these bugs recombine nothing would save the millions of infected, those surviving would be spared only if:

had good atention.
Her His inmune system could cheat the virus or destroy it. (remember the 1918 flu killed strong inmune systems with a ketine storm)
Good medicines
Provided there is food and clean water afterwards.

The Mexican goverment has practically closed down the country these last 10 days because they are afraid of a deadlier strain and I think that is so because thje CHINESSE have stopped recieving any kind of material/flights/cargos/shipment form MEXICO. Of course those guys Know that hey have the h5n1 all over the place and someone with H1N1 will kill millions of chinesse.

So basically we have a cat and mouse game here, if we dont do anything sooner or later a lethal combination will be around the corner and if we shut down the production, we will starve.

Nice way to enjoy the XX! century

pmbhuntress & mumblyjoe - For the record, I won't take vaccines, and refused to allow my daughter her last couple of immunizations. Also FYI - My main concern has been that the FDA decided not to filter out prions from vaccines because "There are so many prions, not just Mad Cow, and new ones keep appearing that there is no way to possibly filter out all of them, so why focus on just one." [Paraphrased from an FDA meeting with the Mad Cow Committee.]

Originally posted by mumblyjoe
Hello Soficrow,

I think your claim that the H1N1 virus circulating now is just because it was ''Bouncing around for years'' is incorrect and very misleading.

mumblyjoe - The point about H1N1 bouncing around with other novel triple assortment strains and clades is that the emergence of a lethal strain was both predictable and stoppable in the beginning, when it was first flagged.

The overview of what you are saying (with all those letters and strains etc, etc) is that it just naturally occurred so ''no conspiracy here, move along, move along''.

If you had read my article, even just the first 10 paragraphs, you would know that's not what I said.

''Dr James S Robertson, Englands leading bioengineer along with the CDC (Centre for Disease Control) helped NOVAVAX produce a genetically modified recombinant of the AVIAN SWINE and FLU viruses, H5N1 and H1N1, which is nearly identical to the virus sweeping Mexico.

Makes sense - a number of concerned scientists have been warning everyone for years that just such a strain would evolve under the circumstances. They were silenced, btw.

FYI - I agree with Horowitz that these idiots would stop at nothing to make a profit - but I also know that large scale animal husbandry forced mutations of these viruses, exported them around the world, and essentially breeds killer diseases.

Please - do read the article. You will find much that intrigues you.

( ***** THE CLINCHER ******)
CDC just happen to have a vaccine that was approved via the 'fast-track' system which uses a combination of AVIAN, SWINE and FLU which has never been seen in the world before.

The real clincher is that the fast track exists - it relies on reverse engineering and does not use chicken eggs to grow the vaccines (fyi - these viruses kill chickens and their eggs, so the eggs make a truly lousy growth medium - you destroy 3/4 of every batch. )

BUT - no one will use reverse engineering to manufacture vaccines - even tho production time is cut from 6 months to 3 weeks - because the Intellectual Property Rights and Patents are spread around 7-10 different owners. Profits are higher if Big Pharma uses the generic chicken egg process...

THIS IS JUST RIDICLUOUS !

I agree.

This paints a very different picture to the one you have tried to do.

You don't really know that, do you? ...because you never read my article.

I am also very surprised at the many 'great post', 'well done', blah, blah, posts that followed it straight away. Very strange... but easy to figure out.

Ya think, eh?


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lol I just played a swine flu epidemic informative level on Little Big Planet talking about how many people are profiting and a direct correlation to the NWO. I wonder if he comes to ATS...

When it comes to profits I have been following the markets for a while since the economic crisis started, I can not stop thinking how in the hell the markets in the US are doing so great since the Flu scare came to be.

Interesting detail that we all should be looking into.

With all the economic mess we are in, this seems odd to me.

Originally posted by soficrow

Indications coming out there may be more than one strain of virus involved in all this.
Mike

Erm. Maybe you should at least read the article before posting?

Sorry for relaying info based on imperfext memory. I used to produce a medical journal, and read a few dozen articles on related subjects in a typical week. Some not as thoroughly as I should.

You mentioned cooking properly to kill the viruses. I wonder how much is spread by consumption undercooked meat. Something happening around where I work gives me reason to suspect this is an often overlooked cause.


Mike

Just found this... very interesting...

A cytokine storm, or hypercytokinemia is a potentially fatal immune reaction consisting of a positive feedback loop between cytokines and immune cells, with highly elevated levels of various cytokines.[1]
from wikipedia>

Since this reaction is what killed thousands in the 1918 Pandemic, some companies are working on it...it may be the "PILL" that allows you to survive the killer flu that will undoubtely later on...

OX40 IG
A 2003 report in the Journal of Experimental Medicine published by researchers at Imperial College London demonstrates[10] the possibility of preventing a cytokine storm by inhibiting or disabling T-cell response. A few days after T cells are activated, they produce a biologic molecule called OX40, a "survival signal" that keeps activated T-cells working at the site of inflammation during infection with influenza or other pathogens. OX40 binds to receptors on T-cells, preventing them from dying and subsequently increasing cytokine production. A combined protein, OX40-immunoglobulin (OX40-Ig), a human-made fusion protein, prevents OX40 from reaching the T-cell receptors, thus reducing the T-cell response. Experiments in mice have demonstrated that OX40-Ig can reduce the symptoms associated with an immune overreaction while allowing the immune system to fight off the virus successfully. By blocking the OX40 receptor on T-cells, researchers were able to prevent the development of the most serious flu symptoms in these experimental mice[10] and reported the results in New Scientist.[11] The drug, to be made by a company called Xenova Research (Xenova Research was purchased by Celtic Pharma, a private equity firm, in September 2005), was supposed to be in phase I clinical trial in 2004, but its status is currently unknown.[12]

emphasis mine.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Nice post mate!

If nations really wanted to protect their citizens from pandemics, they would halt all air traffic and international commerce. Nice to know our human lives rate second to rabid capitalism.

To all those that think capitalism is the 'be all to end all', and that socialism/communism are the true evils; it's time you took stock, and a hard look at yourself in the mirror.

S&F!

IRM

[edit on 4/5/09 by InfaRedMan]

That won't make any difference to the inevitable it merely slows it down. Can you stop the migration of all birds in the air and all animals (human included) on land?

What we can do is accept the inevitable and prepare ourselves for it.