CONS: H1N1 Flu: A Tale of Evolution, Economics, Power Politics and International Law.

It has been over two years since this study was published. Why isn’t the CDC doing the same experiment with the adjuvant load from their recommended vaccine schedule?



www.newswithviews.com...

Have you ever noticed how long it takes for the mainstream media to catch up with ATS?

CDC: H1N1 Genes Went Undetected For A Decade

Many members here are still fixated on the idea of "single-cause, single-effect." And it would be nice if we could identify a single enemy, kill it, and proceed all fixed.

But it's too late.

In the context of the whole system, bio-weapons are only one factor - and at this point, a relatively small factor.

Virtually every industry, not just the military-industrial complex, has altered the chemical and atomic structures of our planetary system. Now, the entire system is changing. As evidenced by the current pandemic and the coming 'waves.'

To survive, we must change too. At fairly fundamental levels. It's called adaptation and evolution.

Viruses and microbes reproduce quickly, and so, mutate and evolve rapidly. In effect, they are the 'messengers' that bring the new atomic factors into complex organisms' bodies - as 'disease' - and force adaptation to the changed system, or cause death.

Think supra-organism.



Given that we, as supraorganisms, are made of cooperating bacteria, viruses, fungi and other microbes, then we must assimilate the newcomers to survive on our now-modified planet.

We are part of the whole, and we changed the whole - in a million different ways. Now we need to change too.

FYI - we can. We, as complex living organisms, are designed to assimilate, integrate, adapt and evolve. Life DOES find a way.


For more info, see: How Could an Event in 1997 Cause a Pandemic in 2009? What Happened?

In 2006, at the same time as Asia was culling chickens by the millions to prevent H5N1 bird flu from spreading, triple assortment H1N1 swine flu was epidemic in hogs in the USA, and was known to spread between people. But no one knew about it except the microbiologists and a few upper level bureaucrats.


When a disease can spread between people and animals, AND person-to-person, the pandemic potential rises exponentially.

Microbiologists have long predicted such a "A Perfect Microbial Storm."




Back in 2006, all eyes were on H5N1 bird flu in Asia as the big threat. Bird flu wasn't spreading between people, but the only question was, "When will it happen?"

At the same time, triple assortment H1N1 swine flu had gained a serious foothold in the USA, and was known to spread between people. But nobody except the microbiologists and a few upper level bureaucrats knew about it. There was a presidential gag order, and the US still had not signed on to the World Health Organization's new regs.





In fact, the Bush administration KNEW that several triple assortment swine flu strains were spreading in the USA between people and animals - and between people and people - during negotiations with the WHO about the new pandemic risk/reporting regulations.

The Bush administration stalled approval of the WHO's 2005 revised regs to negotiate and ensure protections for global corporate industry - and prioritize profits over people and public health.

Negotiations were not finalized and the agreement was not signed until 2007 - long after US triple assortment swine flu had time to spread around the world and mutate into even more dangerous forms.




In fact, most, if not all major parties are committed to protecting corporate rights, and ensuring the expansion and continuation of laws to protect profits over people.

But it's not a conspiracy - just good business.

In Europe, the Swiss group Avaaz.org has launched a petition demanding that the WHO and the UN’s FAO take action to investigate links between industrial hog operations and swine flu.

Europeans demand investigation of the CAFO/swine flu link

Manitoba just reported 27 new cases of H1N1 swine flu - despite being well past flu season and into summer when flu shouldn't be spreading.

Manitoba confirms 27 new cases of swine flu

The most significant danger H1N1 presents is that it spreads easily between people, and can and will recombine with other viruses to share genetic material. ...As a winter virus, flu has been separated from warm weather viruses, but that's changing.

West Nile virus has been present and spreading in Manitoba for several years, in the summer.

There is now a danger that H1N1 swine flu will recombine with West Nile, and that the two viruses will share genetic material. If they do, H1N1 might acquire West Nile's ability to affect the nervous system - or West Nile might acquire H1N1's ability to spread person-to-person.


The H1N1-West Nile danger in Manitoba is similar to the H1N1-dengue potential in Buenos Aires, the H1N1-H5N1 threat in Asia and the looming H1N1-HIV recombination in Africa.

...The worst scenario is that H1N1 will recombine with another virus that does NOT kill quickly, but rather causes long term debilitation and disability in survivors.


Also see:
Dengue Fever rising in Pacific Rim with Influenza numbers

Nice Thread, Sofi,

What I find most interesting is the idea of this being a triple recombination of human, avian, and swine flus. I recall that the early reports suggested this, but after running all of the sequence information available, I'm not finding any evidence of it.

What I'm saying is that when I compare the available swine flu sequences, they have the most homology with other swine flu sequences. They in fact, based on my own research had very little homology... like 95% with avian sequences, for example... 95% might sound like a lot, but it's not a good deal of homology.

From my perspective and based on my own sequence analysis, it looks like a recombination of swine flu viruses from North America and Europe.

You're sure you have the right/current sequences?

No homology with human flu?

So how do you account for the easy human-to-human transmission? ...and how do you explain what's going on?

btw - Thanks for the compliment - and your post!



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Positive. I get 'em sent to me from GISAID as soon as they're done, Ive been downloading them ever since this started. They're publically available now, which they weren't for a few weeks.


Down the line a ways... but most homology with other swine flus.


I don't proclaim to have the answer to either of these questions. I'm just telling you what my own data analysis suggests. Keeping in mind I'm only a molecular biologist, not a virologist
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Molecular biologists are welcome here.

This analysis is on another thread...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


...Are your results different? Or is this what's been circulating in hogs for a while now, and only just spreading to humans?


...I am also thinking about your (really good) explanation of antibiotic resistance. Could the same or similar process(es) be in play with cross-species infection?

Thanks. We're not generally welcome anywhere


Yeah... this data has been making me mad for a while now... I've not seen this chart, so I don't know what to make of it. I will say this: The only sequences I have available are the actual protein coding sequences, any intervening sequences, non-coding sequences that make up the structure of the genome are not available, and there are no "whole genome" assemblies.

To tell you the truth that's what I'm interested in seeing, if there's any sign of monkeying around with the genetics of this virus, it's going to show up in those intervening sequences.

if they have access to those, then the data may shake out differently.

Perhaps, and thanks, but which processes specifically are you referring to?

BTW, I'll look over your other swine flu thread... I'm pretty busy these days though, and, Melatonin just replied to my resistance thread. I'll have to sort through what he's posted even though I imagine he's countering my 2009 paper with older papers, but what can you do. But in any case, I'll certainly take a look at it.

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"H1N1 swine flu probably will meet up with H5N1 bird flu or some other bug like SARS or AIDS, and maybe use pigs as a mixing vessel for re-assortment, or maybe not."

To go from discussing genetic transfer in vivo between Type A influenza viruses to predicting transfer of genes in vivo between Type A viruses and coronaviruses like SARS and retroviruses like AIDS is a huge leap unsupported by scientific fact. In fact, it's not even good conjecture.

That one sentence mars what in general is a good, though somewhat hysterical, analysis of how animal husbandry amplifies the hazard of new microbiological threats to humans.

The bit about the Bilderbergers didn't help your cause - we don't KNOW that they do anything but smoke Cuban cigars and drink fine whisky in posh resorts once a year. The substitution of global law passed in dark corridors for national law argued in legislatures by our representatives has to be better documented before it can be used to buttress arguments that "they" are writing international law which guarantees the emergence of new lethal human viruses. Your article founders on that rock.

If you want people to take you seriously, stick to the irrefutable facts, and there are plenty - as your article shows - that SOMEHOW, animal husbandry has been centralized and channeled into a for-profit game that places the population at risk of dying from lethal zoonotic infections that cross the species barrier into humans. You could have pruned the classical conspiracy theory from your analysis and made your article both more readable and more credible.

Too much of a good thing is sometimes less good than just enough.

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Thanks for your contributions to this thread murky. Much appreciated.

Re: in vivo genetic transfer between species.

FYI - it's already happening. In fact, genetic transfer between super=kingdoms is documented, and now described as "more common than previously thought."

See: How Could an Event in 1997 Cause a Pandemic in 2009? What Happened?

Also note: The potential for H1N1 co-infecting AIDS patients in Africa and resulting in a new disease was one of the earliest concerns expressed by the WHO - and similar to the current TB/HIV crisis.

Public info is fudged to "prevent panic" but the potential is real.

People with HIV more vulnerable to H1N1 flu


QUESTION: Are you one of those people who think that laboratory procedures cannot occur naturally in the environment? ...or are you more concerned with managing the information flow and implementing an ethically responsible communications strategy?




Thank you.




True. We don't KNOW anything. ...and was just a bit.




International law is now about supporting trade - out front, no dark corridors - and yes, it DOES supersede national law, and IS written to put profits before people. No doubt. No secret.

Current international (trade) law DOES virtually guarantee the emergence of new lethal human viruses - and moreover, allows them to spread to become pandemic. ...Watch the news.




There are plenty of people and organizations in the world addressing this issue, and focusing on the "irrefutable facts." I am not here to tow their party line. I am here to play with idea. ...My work in other areas is much less controversial and speculative, and more 'businesslike.'




Actually, this is a conspiracy site - I have to highlight conspiracy. It's one of the rules here. ...In fact, many members here are put-off because the 'conspiracy' angle is no where near substantial enough for their tastes.

But all things considered, including time constraints - the piece is quite reasonably readable and credible.




Agreed. But then again, one does write for the market.

...And I have noticed that the information contained in my article above was indeed re-worked and re-presented appropriately for a variety of markets over the past several weeks.



But thanks again for your very thoughtful commentary. Good stuff.

My article above outlines the evolution and spread of H1N1 swine flu from 1997.

A new study, published in Nature, confirms my findings. Researchers tracked the genetic handoffs among swine and birds that resulted in this pandemic swine flu virus, now spreading person-to-person around the world.

The study concludes, as I did, that inadequate monitoring of livestock allowed -and actually helped- the virus to evolve and spread, long before it became pandemic.

There is no systematic swine surveillance in agricultural industries in the USA. The lack of regulation allowed this pandemic strain of H1N1 swine flu to persist and evolve for many years - undetected.


Flu Finding Supports ‘One World, One Health’ View of People and Animals

The link between factory farming and H1N1 swine flu is further confirmed and clarified in another paper, published by Global Research on July 22, 2009.

What are the Origins of Swine Flu? Is the H1N1 Virus Endemic in Canada's Hog Farms?