Human Health Issues Associated with the Hog Industry January 1999
Section 3 includes a discussion: Pfiesteria: a potential marker of polluted waters
4.5 Swine or Spanish Flu of 1918
4.6 Hog as 'Mixing Vessel' for Avian and Human Viruses
And the Waters Turned to Blood: the Ultimate Biological Threat by Rodney Barker (investigative journalist and editor)
From the book cover:
"In this account, Rodney Barker tells the full and terrifying story of a microorganism popping up along the Eastern seaboard - far closer to home than the Ebola virus and equally frightening. In the coastal waters of North Carolina - and now extending as far north as the Chesapeake Bay area - a mysterious and deadly aquatic organism named Pfiesteria piscicida threatens to unleash an environmental nightmare and human tragedy of catastrophic proportions.
"At the very center of this narrative is the heroic effort of Dr. JoAnn Burkholder and her colleagues, embattled and dedicated scientists confronting medical, political, and corporate powers to understand and conquer this new scourge before it claims more
Originally posted by soficrow
By ATS Member Soficrow
May 4, 2009
Well, with respect to the H1N1 flu conflict, the legal argument is simple: "Even though the type A, strain H1N1 triple assortment clade flu virus evolved in the USA, the clade isolated in Mexico is ever so slightly different, so this one's not American. Don't even call it North American. Furthermore, the Mexican triple assortment clade of type A, strain H1N1 flu is being transmitted directly from person-to-person, not from pigs to people; therefor, it is not a swine flu anymore. Don't call it swine flu. The name hurts the pork industry.
Health Officials Begin to Ease Public Alerts About Swine Flu
Originally posted by malcr
That won't make any difference to the inevitable it merely slows it down. Can you stop the migration of all birds in the air and all animals (human included) on land?
What we can do is accept the inevitable and prepare ourselves for it.
Q: Is it surprising how quickly H1N1 adapted?
Y.G.: All viruses, after interspecies transmission, will evolve fast. But why this H1N1 could become successful at efficient human-to-human transmission is still unknown. We have a knowledge gap about how influenza A viruses build up their pandemicity in humans. As swine H1N1 has being circulating in pigs since 1918, it has accumulated [many] differences from human H1N1 virus. So, for human beings, it looks like a novel subtype, as most human individuals lack immunity to this swine-like H1N1. This is one of the most important conditions for pandemic emergence. Whether the novel virus will develop into a more virulent strain—just like the Spanish flu did in the fall of 1918 to kill more people—we still don't have any idea.
Q: It depends on further mutations?
Y.G.: It depends on mutations and whether the virus further reassorts with other viruses—like H5N1. That could be a super nightmare for the whole world.
Q: You’re talking about the Armageddon virus?
Y.G.: The chance is very, very low that these two viruses will mix together, but we cannot rule out the possibility. Now, H5N1 is in more than 60 countries. It’s a panzootic, present everywhere except North America.
Q: If the nightmare comes true?
Y.G.: If that happens, I will retire immediately and lock myself in the P3 lab. H5N1 kills half the people it infects. Even if you inject yourself with a vaccine, it may be too late. Maybe in just a couple hours it takes your life.
Originally posted by mumblyjoe
Many thanks for your reply to my post, I appreciate it.
I did read all of your post, I just don't agree with your conclusions.
Forced husbandry has caused this and it has just evolved?
...These strains DO NOT just mix together easily otherwise we would probably be extinct by now.
Why are you just ignoring the fact that they have been splicing Avian flu, (so called) Spanish flu and human flu ? That is a fact, yet you choose to blame it on 'forced husbandry' ?
This virus has been specifically created in a laboratory and released.
Let me quote Dr Rima E. Laibow :
''But there is no honest virologist in the world who can look you in the eye and say that this virus had any chance whatsoever of having self-assembled genes... ''.
Thanks again for your reply.
Originally posted by marg6043
I got the felling that when this flu comes back if actually leave at all the entire year we are going to be facing three different strains of it.
I can only imagine the money making scam that big pharma will get into just to make profits from this, specially the so call "treatments" because "cure" is not their minds.
Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by stander
Well the Israelis and the food industry would differ from you and they won.
By JUDY SIEGEL-ITZKOVICH
Tel Aviv woman fourth Israeli diagnosed with swine flu as virus numbers diminish around the world.
Originally posted by stander
I don't now about any construed conspiracy, like the one the OP tries to sell, that is worth to peek into.
There would be always flu as long as there are viruses;
there would be always earthquakes as long as there is the earth;
and there would be always some conspiracy as long as there are cons and pirates.
Originally posted by pmbhuntress
When the Killer bug was here in NC a few months ago my 6 year old daughter almost died from it. One lady that was in the doctors office did die a week after she was hospitalized she was in her 70s. At that time they said that bug was only effecting young, and old folks. But soon enough it started effecting others. I dont know if this was the same flu that is now going around, but where it was a killer I have a bad feeling it may have been.
A bug like this was something that none of us have ever had before. It left schools working at 50% capacity for close to 2 weeks. I have to say that I personally have never had a flu that bad before in my whole life. My lungs still are not back to normal after it hit. I have never seen any of my 3 children have a fever that went over 102. This made fevers of 104 to 110. My son had a fever of 106 for 3 days. Horrible headaches, and was dizzy. He was far to weak to even sip water. My daughter was hit much harder her fever went up to 110 in the hospital. Caughing, headaches, as well as upset stomach. Then on top of all of that once the fever was gone it was 2 weeks before she was even strong enough to start eating. Mine started out with headaches and dizziness, it then changed to me being so weak I couldnt even stand up, then the caughing and fever started. I was lucky to have only have had a fever of 103. But I still was hospitilized for a week.
I hate the thought that maybe this flu was here in the US before it ever hit Mexico, but if it was the same flu, I feel very lucky that we made it through it. Of course it just ticks me off though that the government may have known it was here but then wanted to blame it on Mexico.
Interestingly Macedonia and Bulgaria are in the middle of a worse than normal flu' season. H3N2 and H1N1 not normally a reason to worry but in these countries it is causing a abnormally high fatality rate..As H1N1 did in Alabama (not fatality but 6 kids on life support.).These flu' strains need to be looked at again!! NOW throw H5N1 into the region too...Microbial storm!!
H3N2 was one of the top runners for next pandemic influenza until a few people starting hyping H5N1. H3N2 is dangerous because most people born after 1957 would have no immunity, from what I understand.
Swine influenza (A/New Jersey/76 [H1N1]) represented an antigenic shift from the previous H3N2 strains to an H1N1 strain. IN 1993 The Netherlands was hit with a nasty outbreak of H3N2; It was reassortment between old human H3N2 (1973/75- like) and avian H1N1. I had tried to discuss the possibility of the next pandemic coming from an influenza virus other than H5N1 but it wasn't received real well. However, the possibility of just that happening is real.
Cutting-edge technology for flu vaccine development is called "reverse genetic engineering." It's quick, easy and reliable, but it's not being used to create vaccines for the bird flu epidemic that's threatening some parts of the world. Supposedly, it's too expensive. Vaccine manufacturers say profits will suffer if they pay royalties, so they still use the old, slow, unreliable "genetic reassortment" technology. As a result, some estimates indicate a billion people may die world-wide from bird flu, including millions of Americans. Maybe a billion more will live to suffer progressive degeneration and disability.