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posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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More intresting WHO guidance documents

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posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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reply to post by kshaund
 


If you look at the AMA the logo is nearly the same. Not sure of the relevance, just saying.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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# US, Ohio: Ohio University student identified as probable influenza A (H1N1) case. Relatives are suspected source of infection. #swineflu11 minutes ago from web

# Israel, Jerusalem: 33-Year-Old Female And Her Eight-Month-Old Son Hospitalized After Flight From New York; Influenza A (H1N1) Suspected29 minutes ago from web



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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I think this is regarding HIV/AIDS patients only, they are more prone to differnt outside infections in general like flu & pneumonia etc.


100% agree was going to post something like that myself, been searching the net for a while now and that was all I could find on H1N1 and HIV

More chance of getting HIV from a toilet seat


[edit on 2-5-2009 by IamNow]



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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its more likely to mutate with TB in mexico



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by jonny2410

Originally posted by IamNow
BreakingNewsWHO official says there is no evidence of sustained community spread of swine flu outside North America; pandemic alert remains at level 5.22 minutes ago from web


pure BS, why do they lie?


Because it's true.

No cases outside of N.America have arisen without direct contact to family/friends returning from Mexico.

That's the difference. In N.America this is spreading person to person through general community contact, it isn't doing that anywhere else.

Example:

N.America: person returns from Mexico with virus, passes it to partner, partner goes to work and passes it to colleague, and so on.

Everywhere else: person returns from Mexico with virus, passes it to partner, and maybe a friend.

It's when the third person, removed from the close circle is infected that it is shown to be moving through a community rather than just a close unit.

That is why they might reach a phase 6 in the future, if it continues in this way in the US.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by 13Etznab
Look at the previous graph for pandemic phases...

www.longwood.edu...

Look like they decided to mix 5-6 togheter eh? That is for sure... NOOOO REASON, only to simplify thing that they change the chart!


I hate to keep correcting you but I am beginning to think you are being purposely misleading. The website you linked to is not the WHO website,,,and you know that...so why mislead?

Disinfo anyone?



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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Maybe this could be why Mexico are reporting the only deaths, isn't there a high TB rate in mexico? Don't really know pal, this is all new to me


Found these Intresting

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Link Bit slow but does load

Think there could be some link here




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posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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i guess its true in the sense that cases havnt been confirmed, but its only a matter of time, 654 suspected cases in the UK alone so that must be sustained,



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Really? Phase 6? Then please name the three countries in tow different WHO zones that have CONFIRMED cases of human to human transmission of the disease?

Since you will likely try to spin your answer let's make this real easy, shall we?

Please identify the following:

1) Country#1 with CONFIRMED person-to-person Transmission___________
2) WHO Territory of country 1 ________________________


1) Country#2 with CONFIRMED person-to-person Transmission___________
2) WHO Territory of country 2 ________________________


1) Country#3 with CONFIRMED person-to-person Transmission___________
2) WHO Territory of country 3 ________________________


So, simply fill in the blanks and you can prove your point.

But here is some advice for you. Rather than call anyone who asks you to backup up your claims as a "desinfo," agent...maybe you should actually do some research before making those claims?

[edit on 2-5-2009 by Night Watchman]



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Well if folks then with aids get this most likely they will die. Doesnt that mean then that there will be less folks out there to pass on aids? I know that would make alot of us happier, knowing there is less chance to get aids.

The problem though is that if it starts effecting folks with cancer will it kill all of them off, and where will it stop. Folks whom are already sick wont be able to fight this stuff off as well, as the healthy. Then we have to figure this flu has effected mostly the young?



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:50 AM
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I was sure I heard about someone in the UK who is a confirmed case as of yesterday who has not travelled to Mexico and has no link to anyone else who is confirmed as infected. Surely that would confirm community level tranfer???



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by mamana
I was sure I heard about someone in the UK who is a confirmed case as of yesterday who has not travelled to Mexico and has no link to anyone else who is confirmed as infected. Surely that would confirm community level tranfer???


this is true, there are confirmed cases of person to person transfer in england, scotland, germany and spain



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by mamana
I was sure I heard about someone in the UK who is a confirmed case as of yesterday who has not travelled to Mexico and has no link to anyone else who is confirmed as infected. Surely that would confirm community level tranfer???


If there are THREE countries with Confirmed person to person transmission in at least TWO WHO zones...there is evidence of a community level outbreak....then you have a case for Phase 6



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by jonny2410

this is true, there are confirmed cases of person to person transfer in england, scotland, germany and spain


Please provide links to these confirmed cases?



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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H1N1 FLU: Hoping for the Best, Preparing for the Worst

By Joe De Capua
Washington D.C
01 May 2009

With concern over the spread of the H1N1 flu, questions are being raised about its possible implications. For example, are people infected with HIV, the AIDS virus, or TB more susceptible to the flu than others?

Dr. Thomas Quinn, . of the Johns Hopkins Global Health Center, considers the potential threat from the flu outbreak.

"I think you use the right word: potential. We really don't know whether this will expand into a global pandemic. And WHO (World Health Organization) is preparing for that eventuality because you would not want to be unprepared should it occur. We really will have to monitor this on a day by day, hour by hour basis to see if it's going to expand rapidly to all countries of the world," he says.

Currently, he says H1N1 is "limited to a small number of countries. The actual number of cases is very small relative to what we ordinarily see with seasonal flu."

Seasonal flu is most prominent in the winter months, tailing off by April. However, H1N1 is a new virus for humans. It's unknown whether previous flu seasons provide any immunological protection against the new strain, but the typical flu vaccinations offered each year are not expected to offer any.

"Because of that uncertainty, we really have to gear up as if this could be a major, serious disease," he says.

Asked how many people on average die during an outbreak of seasonal flu, Quinn says, "In the United States, we usually see up to 30,000…deaths from a bad flu year. The people that are most susceptible to seasonal flu are the very young and the very elderly. Where new viruses come in is where we get concerned that it might hit the other age groups of the population."

He says that most of the cases of H1N1 have also been of the young and old "and it's those who had delayed, especially in Mexico, access to care till they were practically moribund."

The Johns Hopkins official says many in developing countries have poor access to health care.
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But so far, the developing world has been apparently been spared of any large number of cases. However, this could also be a result of the quality of surveillance systems, so time will tell.

Sub-Saharan African nations have high numbers of cases of HIV/AIDS, TB malaria and cancer, which weaken the immune system. Steroid drugs, given to treat some illnesses, can also weaken the immune system.

Quinn says, "The individuals who have HIV that are in more advanced stages of the disease are more susceptible. They are immune compromised and if unvaccinated are susceptible to any of the common Influenza A viruses. Obviously a lot of people in Africa are not vaccinated. The current vaccine we've been using in the US -- we do not believe that it is cross-protective against this new strain of the virus, anyway."

Health officials say everyone is believed susceptible to H1N1, and if infected, most could recover within a week.

"Those people with tuberculosis, especially XDR-TB (Extremely Drug Resistant TB), those people with HIV and…malaria...if they get flu…they will have more severe complications. And it could result in much more fatalities than we would normally have expected," he says.

Should H1N1 strike many developing countries, the same guidelines apply as they do in developed nations. Dr. Quinn says, "If you cough cover your mouth. If you sneeze cover your mouth. Wash your hands as often as you possibly can. Avoid close, intimate contact with people who are already sick from a respiratory infection. They may not know whether it's flu or not. They should make the assumption this could be flu and they should avoid direct contact, other than the healthcare providers, who should be wearing masks and gloves when they care for those people.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by jonny2410
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i guess its true in the sense that cases havnt been confirmed, but its only a matter of time, 654 suspected cases in the UK alone so that must be sustained,



Maybe it is only a matter of time, but they are going on facts as they stand. At this time, and with available evidence, they are not seeing sustained community spread anywhere other than N.America. That's what they've stated, and that's true.

I think there will be more cases, and community spread is almost inevitable outside of N.America. But I hope that this doesn't cause nations to over react and start throwing out restrictions on their public.

Mexico have done so in an effort to better fight the drug cartels. Britain could do the same to prevent riots in London when MP's expenses are due to be released. America could do it to deal with the upsurge in right-wing extremism... Every government has something to gain by restricting their people because of this. And the only thing that's likely to prevent them from using this as an excuse is the economic damage it could do.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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news.bbc.co.uk...

THANK YOU BBC!!!!

Finally a voice of reason!!!

"There is no evidence of the swine flu virus spreading in a sustained way outside North America, a top World Health Organization official says.

Dr Michael Ryan, WHO Director of Global Alert and Response, praised European nations' handling of cases and said events did not seem out of control."

Now let us see what the US continues to say?



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posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by jonny2410

this is true, there are confirmed cases of person to person transfer in england, scotland, germany and spain


Please provide links to these confirmed cases?


the scottish and english cases have been reported on sky news all day i think, thats where i heard it, as for germany and spain i saw them on twitter breaking news



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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When the healthy are sick to nurse the dying, then we'll have some serious s#*t going on...


I am lucky i don't live near anybody. The next house is like half a mile away.

So when the SHTF over here in NL, ill just pick up 5 large bags with food, and play monistry for a month or 3. No one gets in, no one gets out.

Brace yourselfs people, the media is going silent. This means that the situation is so severe that they can't report it. It is forbidden to cause global panic, so actualy, these people are just doing there jobs.

Don't blame the media, blame yourself if your not informed and get infected.



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