US Torture (warning, graphic)

originally posted by: recapitulated

the title of the post is catchy. It warns of graphic photos, and the any non politically correct blood and gore is hazed out. Only thing is there was no blood or gore to haze out, just genitalia. LOTS OF LAUGHS. Pornography using a badly focused camera and poor lighting source.

I am not sure what planet you are from but most people find these posted pictures "graphic".
It was an admin that added the warning to the title, because he or she thought most people would find the pictures "graphic".

originally posted by: recapitulated
Here is my suggestion jaamaan is for you to print all these photos in color, and paste them into a scrapbook and put it on your coffee table to peruse instead of watching television or playing games on the net.

You seem to be quite a warped person.
What you state is a clear insult, to me, yourself and human life in general.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
If you think WORSE is not being done by all, you are deluded.
IT'S hidden from you RIGHT NOW!
A BUTTLOAD of bad is.


Right /left
BLACK/WHITE
popular culture in GENERAL
it's all bull to PLAY you. YOU THINK you want to know it? the truth is REALLY f####d up WAY worse than we know ,based on history? NOT to mention HOW long and HPW PRACTICED they are at it.

I want all of it stopped, I just can't figure out how without ALL OF us doing it as a nation.

I hear what you are saying.
I just can not stand it when people try to justify these matters.
But I do know also that the tax they get from me is paying for this stuff.

a reply to: recapitulated

So what are these people then ?
Subhumans ?
Untermenschen ?

So who decides who falls under the Geneva Convention ?

I remember on ATS calling the ISIS guys monsters for chopping heads off.
Now I call these guys monsters also.
No wonder they are doing stuff to westerners when our own governments do stuff like this.

Now we know why the USA doesn't recognize the war crime commission don't we....
Disgusting people are saying this is ok, this only makes more terrorists not less.

a reply to: jaamaan

They show more graphic uncensored scenes in most
horror movies since the Exorcist was first shown in 1973.

Torture in your definition is where a US soldier threatens to "sexually abuse certain family members if you do not tell the truth..."

The possibility that the US soldier will be able to find your family members, isolate them and abuse them is real?????
The possibility is nil, nada, zilch.

My definition of torture is cut off fingers, torn out fingernails, gouged eyes, beatings with rubber hoses, broken arms, legs.....

The pictures and story you told is not torture, it is just wringing out the crying rag and seeking sympathy for armed enemy combatants.

in fact, the service members who did the naked posing and so forth were caught and disciplined.

I say during times of war, extract information from the enemy in any manner needed.

a reply to: boymonkey74

PROVE that it MAKES MORE TERRORISTS.

Otherwise the statement is just some more PC mantra BS swallowed with the koolaid.

a reply to: jaamaan

Those who were tortured are at war, armed combat against US Army. They are human men.

Homo Sapiens like me and you.

I am all for cooperation and unity and all the brotherhood of man mumbo jumbo.

Until the other team starts shedding innocent blood, then torture is okay.

The men tortured hold an entirely different world view and ideology than me or you.

originally posted by: recapitulated
a reply to: jaamaan

They show more graphic uncensored scenes in most
horror movies since the Exorcist was first shown in 1973.

Torture in your definition is where a US soldier threatens to "sexually abuse certain family members if you do not tell the truth..."

The possibility that the US soldier will be able to find your family members, isolate them and abuse them is real?????
The possibility is nil, nada, zilch.

My definition of torture is cut off fingers, torn out fingernails, gouged eyes, beatings with rubber hoses, broken arms, legs.....

The pictures and story you told is not torture, it is just wringing out the crying rag and seeking sympathy for armed enemy combatants.

in fact, the service members who did the naked posing and so forth were caught and disciplined.

I say during times of war, extract information from the enemy in any manner needed.

The rest of the world calls it torture.
And by the way, life is not like the movies.

originally posted by: jaamaan

originally posted by: recapitulated
a reply to: jaamaan

They show more graphic uncensored scenes in most
horror movies since the Exorcist was first shown in 1973.

Torture in your definition is where a US soldier threatens to "sexually abuse certain family members if you do not tell the truth..."

The possibility that the US soldier will be able to find your family members, isolate them and abuse them is real?????
The possibility is nil, nada, zilch.

My definition of torture is cut off fingers, torn out fingernails, gouged eyes, beatings with rubber hoses, broken arms, legs.....

The pictures and story you told is not torture, it is just wringing out the crying rag and seeking sympathy for armed enemy combatants.

in fact, the service members who did the naked posing and so forth were caught and disciplined.

I say during times of war, extract information from the enemy in any manner needed.

The rest of the world calls it torture.
And by the way, life is not like the movies.

Maybe the rest of "your world" which might include 100 family members and up to 1000 face book friends call this begin treatment torture,
but to say "the rest or the world" which is about 8 billion people, is pontificating and just not true.

originally posted by: jaamaan

originally posted by: recapitulated
a reply to: jaamaan

They show more graphic uncensored scenes in most
horror movies since the Exorcist was first shown in 1973.

Torture in your definition is where a US soldier threatens to "sexually abuse certain family members if you do not tell the truth..."

The possibility that the US soldier will be able to find your family members, isolate them and abuse them is real?????
The possibility is nil, nada, zilch.

My definition of torture is cut off fingers, torn out fingernails, gouged eyes, beatings with rubber hoses, broken arms, legs.....

The pictures and story you told is not torture, it is just wringing out the crying rag and seeking sympathy for armed enemy combatants.

in fact, the service members who did the naked posing and so forth were caught and disciplined.

I say during times of war, extract information from the enemy in any manner needed.

The rest of the world calls it torture.
And by the way, life is not like the movies.

and by the way the real world is not like the song by the OJAYS Love Train either.

People all over the world (everybody)
Join hands (join)
Start a love train, love train
People all over the world (all the world, now)
Join hands (love ride)
Start a love train (love ride), love train
The next stop that we make will be soon
Tell all the folks in Russia, and China, too
Don't you know that it's time to get on board
And let this train keep on riding, riding on through

copyright by the Ojays 1972

originally posted by: recapitulated

originally posted by: jaamaan

originally posted by: recapitulated
a reply to: jaamaan

They show more graphic uncensored scenes in most
horror movies since the Exorcist was first shown in 1973.

Torture in your definition is where a US soldier threatens to "sexually abuse certain family members if you do not tell the truth..."

The possibility that the US soldier will be able to find your family members, isolate them and abuse them is real?????
The possibility is nil, nada, zilch.

My definition of torture is cut off fingers, torn out fingernails, gouged eyes, beatings with rubber hoses, broken arms, legs.....

The pictures and story you told is not torture, it is just wringing out the crying rag and seeking sympathy for armed enemy combatants.

in fact, the service members who did the naked posing and so forth were caught and disciplined.

I say during times of war, extract information from the enemy in any manner needed.

The rest of the world calls it torture.
And by the way, life is not like the movies.

Maybe the rest of "your world" which might include 100 family members and up to 1000 face book friends call this begin treatment torture,
but to say "the rest or the world" which is about 8 billion people, is pontificating and just not true.

Torture does not work. It never gives reliable, verifiable results, as the CIA has stated in the past itself. It just doesn't work - people will say anything to get it to stop. People will confess to absolutely anything to get it to stop. People will confess to things that they didn't do to get it to stop. The moral aspect is something else. You might not think that it's important, but I disagree. The most important thing is that, once again, torture doesn't work.

Exactly. We are committing the worst kind of atrocities and crimes against humanity.

We're better than that. We arrest people, put them to trial. That's what we should do. In extreme cases we need to kill people. But, torture and inhumane cruelty is never an option. Never. Cheney new what was going on. He needs to be sent to the Hague and heads need to roll at the CIA. It's that simple.

We would be outraged if ISIS did that to our guys.

originally posted by: recapitulated
a reply to: jaamaan

Those who were tortured are at war, armed combat against US Army. They are human men.

Homo Sapiens like me and you.

I am all for cooperation and unity and all the brotherhood of man mumbo jumbo.

Until the other team starts shedding innocent blood, then torture is okay.

The men tortured hold an entirely different world view and ideology than me or you.

No they where not all "at war, armed combat against US Army"
I guess you missed most of these articles coming out over the years.

WikiLeaks: children among the innocent captured and sent to Guantanamo

An illiterate farmhand and wood-gatherer who did not even know his own age was among the 150 innocent people incarcerated in Guantánamo Bay, secret documents disclose.

SOURCE[/ur l]

And

Guantánamo Bay files: Children and senile old men among detainees

The Guantánamo files reveal the often fragile physical and mental condition of Guantánamo's oldest and youngest residents, who have included an 89-year-old man and boys as young as 14.

In 2002 Guantánamo prisoners were described as "the worst of a very bad lot" by Dick Cheney, US vice-president. "They are very dangerous. They are devoted to killing millions of Americans, innocent Americans, if they can, and they are perfectly prepared to die in the effort."

But the internal files on some prisoners paint a very different picture.

[url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-children-old-men]SOURCE

originally posted by: recapitulated
a reply to: jaamaan

Those who were tortured are at war, armed combat against US Army. They are human men.

Homo Sapiens like me and you.

I am all for cooperation and unity and all the brotherhood of man mumbo jumbo.

Until the other team starts shedding innocent blood, then torture is okay.

The men tortured hold an entirely different world view and ideology than me or you.

But we now know that they weren't all guilty, We don't always know who's on the other team. Not okay to sexually assault people. Real men don't do that.

a reply to: amazing

i stated in an earlier post that the troops responsible for the nude porno photos were disciplined.

ps one or more of the troops was a girl, so real men do not do this but real girls do?

originally posted by: recapitulated
a reply to: amazing

i stated in an earlier post that the troops responsible for the nude porno photos were disciplined.

NO, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Read the report. Stuffing food items, like nuts in someone's anus...is pretty much sexual assault. That's rape. Not okay. You okay with that? With our operatives raping people?

a reply to: amazing

the first casualty of war is innocence and the second is truth.

like i said, the troops doing this were disciplined.

this all happened close to ten years ago right.

No need to get bowels in an uproar about it, pun intended.

a reply to: crazyewok

If you guys knew all of it....

WE as the west have our own holocaust but MOST of it is STILL secret. I know only a little more from the SF I know and WOW.

originally posted by: recapitulated
a reply to: boymonkey74

PROVE that it MAKES MORE TERRORISTS.

Otherwise the statement is just some more PC mantra BS swallowed with the koolaid.

Of course it does put yourself in their position.
Your son, father, brother is taken away and tortured he comes bake the shadow of the his former self and it is human nature to get revenge.
Heck I wouldn't even call them terrorists at this point.
I would get back at the evil twats who did this.