Why I dont buy the "tea party" protests

reply to post by jdub297


sorry for taking the piss...

uh hum...

I cannot speak for SG, but I think for many the fact that FOX has become so interested in
the the protests raises a RED FLAG. I for one do not object to these protests as a means of pure expression, but I also understand the political implications as an ideologue. I firmly believe that FOX is using the outrage and popular sentiment
to cultivate a political object, being the re establishment of the GOP. I believe that at a grass roots level, the initial intent was NOT to REAFFIRM GOP leadership, but to
address grievances... So I am aware of the grievances and outrage, but my desire to
keep the GOP out of the drivers seat is a greater concern for me.

FOX has a very special place in progressive liberal hearts and it sudden interest in things that will inadvertently promote GOP candidates in the future is obvious. To be honest I feel short changed... Obama did not walk into a rosie situation, in fact he took office during one of the most unstable periods in modern history. Point being is like it or not he "owns" a giant mess which is not a good position to launch a successful presidency.

SO FOX - is a very big component because it indicates many things to me...




Thats as honest as I can be

[edit on 19-4-2009 by mental modulator]

[edit on 19-4-2009 by mental modulator]

reply to post by mental modulator


Fear of the GOP is not grounds to dissemble. FOX is a strawman and we all know it. So what if they capitalize on a feeling? Is FOX running for office?

The next election will not be to put any party in power, but to rid Congress of parasites. As I've said many times here, I have never voted for a party or party-line. I've always voted for the person. I make it a point to know who I vote vote for.

Know your candidates. Ignore endorsements.

Can't get any more plain than that, can I?

SG is a "lever puller," a commodity to be bought and sold by pollsters and parties.

Nothing more or less.

Deny ignorance!

jw

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Fear of the GOP is not grounds to dissemble. FOX is a strawman and we all know it. So what if they capitalize on a feeling? Is FOX running for office?

The next election will not be to put any party in power, but to rid Congress of parasites. As I've said many times here, I have never voted for a party or party-line. I've always voted for the person. I make it a point to know who I vote vote for.

Know your candidates. Ignore endorsements.

Can't get any more plain than that, can I?

SG is a "lever puller," a commodity to be bought and sold by pollsters and parties.

Nothing more or less.

Deny ignorance!

jw

FOX is hardly a straw man for me... FOX has an agenda and a track record which I greatly disagree with. FOX did not seem to care much with the past 8 years of enlarging government, accumulation of debt, proxy taxation that is war, consolidation of power executive, erosion of civil liberties P.A - FISA... SO the fact the FOX is behaving as
if it is a hardline supporter of the very things I just listed smells fishy. I have figured out motive and I am certain of what FOX intend to do with the political capital.

A GOP revamp is impossible without the entity, FOX has to do the leg work BEFORE the next elections... IT is a strategic choke point -

Originally posted by mental modulator
for many the fact that FOX has become so interested in the the protests raises a RED FLAG.

Fox is the #1 cable news network for a reason - they understand the audience. They know what people want to see and hear. MSNBC and CNN are too busy pushing their agendas to see that these Tea Parties could easily be the start of a viable third party push for 2010 and 2012. Fox sees a business opportunity to get in on the ground floor of something that could easily be sweeping the country. It's smart business. That's why they are the #1 viewed cable news network.

Non-biased coverage of what these Tea Parties are, and what they stand for, is very good business. If these things take off (and they easily could), then people will remember that FOX gave them the fair shake while CNN and MSNBC just wallowed in endless snide remarks and innaccurate 'reporting' as well as bullying of the protesters.

Smart business.

Originally posted by mental modulator
The GOP will ride the train and kick off everyone who is not going to JEB town...

Jeb has already said many times that he won't be running.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Fascism?

Fascism knows no party borders.
The Obama administration is running facist socialism.
Forced 'redistribution of wealth'.
Forced bailouts of companies making crappy products.
etc etc etc No question about it.

Originally posted by jimbo999
The neocons who got us into this mess to begin with don't like the idea of tax money being spent on real issues for ordinary americans.

Bush started it. Obama is making it worse. And as for your notion that money is being spent on 'real issues for ordinary americans' .. yeah, right. Like the $50 million in the non-stimulating stimulus package that is going to Nancy Pelosis mice in California? Like bailing out companies that make crappy products when in fact they should be left to fail?

A free market society without the fear of bankruptcy is like christianity without the fear of hell. It doesn't work!

You seriously need to read where the money is going and why.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Most of the anger towards the government have no grounds. Mostly its just the "socialism" charge, and the fact Obama is forcing them to pay taxes.

Oh lord. No. That's completely wrong. It's been explained over and over. Do you really not understand that basic truth of the situation or are you just playing dumb?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Goodluck with the next "tea party" folks. Hopefully this time you will actually get some good numbers,

Hopefully the next one won't be on a WORK DAY. You know .. most of the people who would go to a Tea Party are actually working and are not sitting home getting 'redistributed wealth' from government welfare checks.



[edit on 4/19/2009 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by mental modulator
for many the fact that FOX has become so interested in the the protests raises a RED FLAG.

Fox is the #1 cable news network for a reason - they understand the audience. They know what people want to see and hear. MSNBC and CNN are too busy pushing their agendas to see that these Tea Parties could easily be the start of a viable third party push for 2010 and 2012. Fox sees a business opportunity to get in on the ground floor of something that could easily be sweeping the country. It's smart business. That's why they are the #1 viewed cable news network.

Non-biased coverage of what these Tea Parties are, and what they stand for, is very good business. If these things take off (and they easily could), then people will remember that FOX gave them the fair shake while CNN and MSNBC just wallowed in endless snide remarks and innaccurate 'reporting' as well as bullying of the protesters.

Smart business.

well at least you didn't try to sell me a turd painted like a cupcake... It is smart business and it also promotes Murdochs agenda - its the second part I don't like.

Although I think you threw in the NON BIASED part in hopes to raise my blood pressure
and win this debate by medical default...

At least you said it lik it is, cheers for that. less you know...

I want to see how honest you are - DID FOX BULLY THE ANTI WAR PROTESTERS AND
ATTEMPT TO MARGINALIZE THEM IN 2003 -04?

Depending on the answer you might still win due to medical default - with either possible answer.

Originally posted by mental modulator
I think you threw in the NON BIASED part in hopes to raise my blood pressure

Nope. FOX News covered them in an unbiased manner. Those with their own shows - such as Glenn Beck and Hanninty are different. They supported them. (which is their right, just as it's the right of Chris Matthews on MSNBC to support whatever radical left wing idiot he wants to)

DID FOX BULLY THE ANTI WAR PROTESTERS AND
ATTEMPT TO MARGINALIZE THEM IN 2003 -04?

I don't remember if they bullied anyone. (that was 6 years ago, I really don't remember) What I do remember is that they didn't cover the protests as much as they should have. It was bigger news then they gave coverage to.

The protests didn't deserve 24/7 coverage like CNN and MSNBC did. There was other news to be covered. But at the same time FOX didn't give them the airtime that the events deserved.

As for FOX coverage of the Tea Parties ... it's just good business. It's news and it's just good business to cover them. getting in on the ground floor of something this big would be good for their ratings. Even though they are still #1 in ratings, they have to stay that way and knowing what the audience wants to see if part of keeping the ratings up.

The FOX coverage is brilliant marketing. And it is news.

MSNBC and CNN are turning a blind eye to the fact that it really is news not to mention that it seems the country could be going in the Tea Party direction. MSNBC and CNN fall in ratings because they fail to see these situations as they really are.

Originally posted by mental modulator
it also promotes Murdochs agenda - its the second part I don't like.

MSNBC and CNN promote George Soros' agenda. Do you 'not like' that as well? If you want to be indignant at millionaires buying the news and pushing their own agendas with their $$$ ... let's call them all out.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Well I can't speak for FOX's "regular" coverage, so I can't comment.

Yes FOX originated UnAmerican, UnPatriotic, Terrorist Lover... during those protests...
I was hyper vigilant, the tactic worked,makes me furious to this day.

Yes FOX is a brilliant entity in concept - very brilliant, the ability to connect, guide and lead
is amazing... Too bad it pursues a world contrary to the one I want see - same goes for you...

How was the farmers market BTW?

Gotta sleep - been up all night cleaning

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by mental modulator
it also promotes Murdochs agenda - its the second part I don't like.

MSNBC and CNN promote George Soros' agenda. Do you 'not like' that as well? If you want to be indignant at millionaires buying the news and pushing their own agendas with their $$$ ... let's call them all out.

Well I would say FOX is a finer machine in all regards, especially when promoting a unified
message. MSNBC has Scarboro who could easily be a 2nd tier FOXITE and CCN has Dobbs who calls Obama and idiot often - FOX does not have an equivalent of either.

And NO I just have a problem with Murdoch specifically

Like I said I don't like the agenda, I have an agenda and I'm not gonna play coy about my views. I just wish others wouldn't dance one way and pretend to be clueless.
I am very objective with the facts but not with the opinion or decimation-

BTW I believe objectivism is flawed because it is dependent on a specific POV and belief system, there for it is not "objective".

reply to post by FlyersFan

Non-biased coverage of what these Tea Parties are, and what they stand for, is very good business. If these things take off (and they easily could), then people will remember that FOX gave them the fair shake while CNN and MSNBC just wallowed in endless snide remarks and innaccurate 'reporting' as well as bullying of the protesters. Smart business.

Fox is not just covering the Tea Parties. They are promoting and encouraging people to participate and to the talking heads are luring the people to come out and "join" them in the protests.

This is set up by the MSM to advance their own agenda.

Every time I hear one of them telling people where they are going to be and to come out to join their Tea party protest I get sick to my stomach. They make it sound like some grand festival event and they even talk about how much fun it is going to be.

It is just one big sad joke and the American people are again allowing themselves to be duped and manipulated.

What short memories we have or are we just so conditioned that there is no hope left for us?

Originally posted by mental modulator
How was the farmers market BTW?

Reading Terminal Market in downtown Philly (next to the Hard Rock). Google it up and see. We go there every so often. Got some great raw honey along with some fantastic bread from the Jewish Bakery and some REAL Italian food for dinner. mmmmmmm

Originally posted by mental modulator
[BTW I believe objectivism is flawed ...

I'm not a Rand-Objectivist. I think the book is good piece of literature ... it's got some great points ... and it turns out that it's prophetic in many ways ... but I'm not a Rand-Objectivist.


Murdoch, Soros, Ted Turner.... they are very rich and they know that those who control the media and education systems are the ones who control the minds of the people of the country.

Originally posted by NightSkyeB4Dawn
Fox is not just covering the Tea Parties. They are promoting and encouraging people to participate and to the talking heads are luring the people to come out and "join" them in the protests.

The News portion isn't, but the shows such as Hannity and Glen Beck are. (much the same as CNN and MSNBC 'luring' people to go to the anti-war/anti-bush protests a few years back) Beck is a Libertarian. Hannity is right wing. But I know that the Tea Party here (~500 people showed up) had those on the left, those on the right, and those who had never cared about politics before.

These are not GOP parties. In fact, I'd say the GOP is going to LOSE votes in 2010 and 2012 because of the Tea Parties. The people are protesting Bush43 irrational spending as well as Obama irrational spending ... as well as congress (both dems and republicans) and total freaks like Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd. McCain is protested as well ... remember him during the campaign pushing for the bailout/stimulus and then within hours of pushing to get it passed he called upon Bush43 to veto it? Gawd .. that was moronic.

They all are being protested. All. There are signs to VOTE THEM ALL OUT. That's what will come of these Tea Parties. Both dems and republicans will lose votes in 2010 and 2012. Fox can see that this is where the country could be headed and so they are in on the ground floor - which is smart marketing.

IMHO

Originally posted by mental modulator

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Yes... just ignore fox news, good ol' newt and all the Bush buddies, ignore the signs with "conservative" on it, ignore the folks outright comparing all libs to communists.... this isnt partisan

go back to fox. All the neocon buddies, the typical bushies, hannity who had no issue shutting out Paul and calling all liberal anti-american. Really... howmany times must you lie to yourself?

Once again, the liberal mindset in action (if you call that "action"). Weak.

WTF does "Liberal mindset in action" mean, really???

That is such such stupid ignorant statement I think it should receive an award

"liberal mindset" - you make it sound as if a certain belief system makes a human being STUPID or RETARDED. Sort of sounds like 30's nationalist German talk -

Zhat is zhe Jew mindset in action...

Hmmmm....let me see. First, if you're going to quote me, how about including my WHOLE quote, instead of just a single line, Mmmm-kay?

You do seem to love to compare Republicans, etc, to Nazis, but you sure didn't have any answer to my question when you said you "hated the GOP"? Or did you just miss that one? That's OK, I can wait for an answer.

"Liberal mindset?" Well, that seems to be how the libs always talk about how they love everyone, embrace everyone, never have a critical word for anyone, except for "Bushies, neocons, liars, Nazis" etc. Then, all the sudden, it's different.

Oh, and add "fringer" to the mix, too.

Originally posted by mental modulator
Your MINDSET is a slippery slope constructed of the worst mankind has to offer.

WTF does that mean, really???

That is such such stupid ignorant statement I think it should receive an award


[edit on 19-4-2009 by jerico65]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Fox is the #1 cable news network for a reason

And this somehow means their credible? This somehow excludes them from media bias? Is this the logic you work on FF?

they understand the audience.

They understand the fringe and Bush audience who prefer to spend their time watching this garbage all day. They never cared much about any protests last year or any time during the Bush administration. Didnt have an issue throwing Paul out in the cold during primaries with his 08' tea parties. Got plenty of Paulers angry, but then again Paulers have short memories.

I'll give fox their due, they certainly know how to market themselves, they certainly know how to spread their agenda aswell.

They know what people want to see and hear.

Exactly. Doesnt matter whether its true or false, they know how to play to their audience.

MSNBC and CNN are too busy pushing their agendas to see that these Tea Parties could easily be the start of a viable third party push for 2010 and 2012.

Which for the moment is all talk, and which will not get anywhere, which has been muttered for years among the fringe but still nothing has happened, which will end up as a GOP clone in anycase.

Jeb has already said many times that he won't be running.

Howmany candidates have said that in the past?

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Fascism knows no party borders.
The Obama administration is running facist socialism.

And yet here you are, with your tea parties complaining and crying foul as if there was no democracy in the world, with your coffee and cable network.. where you have the freedom to watch garbage, with your rights to protest.. about a system that doesnt give you those rights. Your certainly free on the net as well. I'd just like more details as to how this government is fascist.... and socialist.... and communist?

Forced 'redistribution of wealth'.

Didnt matter how you turned it around, the tax system in this nation will always be a redistribution of wealth. Changing it back to the trickle down system of Bush will be redistribution of wealth. Changing it to a flat tax will be a distribution of wealth. Your allocating who will be paying what, and howmuch the minute you change that system. In reality its just a system.

The US government would always have some form of distribution of wealth, always. Some form a socialism, regardless. Id love to see a system of government with absolutely no system of socialism... which Im actually yet to see, especially among these United States.

Bush started it. Obama is making it worse.

Hearing that from a fringer who has all sorts of conspiracies about the present administration.... I cant say Im surprised. I'd be safer waiting to see most of his term before I start proclaiming anything. Did it with Bush, did it with Clinton. Didnt jump the gun until I gave them two years or so... and with the economic state, with two wars raging on that this administration came into, Id be more convinced in giving them 4years... which is the least I can do.

Oh lord.

No. That's completely wrong. It's been explained over and over. Do you really not understand that basic truth of the situation or are you just playing dumb?

so your saying the core grounds for these protests, on tax day, have nothing to do with paying taxes and ending the fed? Can you be a little more clear? Is this government responsible for you paying taxes? did the evil Obama administration start taxes? Tell me did your income taxes rise or decrease after this administration? Do you have proof?

Hopefully the next one won't be on a WORK DAY. You know .. most of the people who would go to a Tea Party are actually working and are not sitting home getting 'redistributed wealth' from government welfare checks.

I doesnt matter who is in power FF, the US government will always have a system of socialism, will always have some system of redistribution of wealth, its a given. How you percieve it doesnt make a difference to the reality of that fact.

[edit on 20-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

reply to post by Southern Guardian


You never have replied to the ideological questions I've asked (4 times), so I'll presume you can't or are afraid to. (And without using the terms fringers or Bushies.)

Either way, you'd better get on the horn to your socialist buddies and wealth redistributors.

Rounds 2 and 3 of the Tea Party movement are being set up right now, WITHOUT FOX!

They haven't said a word, but May 30 is round 2 and July 4 is round 3. (Bet you there's one in September.)

You don't have the ability to, but I'll use your thread to, tell everyone to go to the teapartyday.com site www.teapartyday.com... and to the my.teapartypatriots.org site my.teapartypatriots.org... for details and to organize the coming end of the Obama administration and Democrat-controlled Congress.

What? No MSM there? Not even FOX or CNN? No Republican links?

How can that be?

Time for paranoia, no?

And, I'll save you some trouble:
Bush
Bushies
Fringe
Fringers
Newt
FOX
Jeb.

Now you don't have to say it!

(You can't help yourself, I know. Sort of betrays your inability to argue a POINT, rather than call names, no? Yes!)

Deny ignorance.
Obama is a weak, lying, socialist coward who will ruin this Country.

jw

Originally posted by jdub297
You never have replied to the ideological questions I've asked (4 times)

what ideological questions? The tea parties were partisan most definatly. Fox, bush politicians and company were all there to speak. Obama conspiracy theorists marched there hand in hand. The tea party protests were ideological. If your going to deny that, its fine. There was a big grey elephant marching down those streets on April 15th. Everybody could see it, the only individuals who refused to acknowledge it were the very individuals marching with that elephant.

so I'll presume you can't or are afraid to.

Whats this about afraid? I dont care what you "think" about me, I care about getting the agenda behind of these protests and the hypocrites out there, and looks like I did, heck I didnt even have to post this thread after all. You folks did the work exposing yourselves.

socialist buddies and wealth redistributors.

Oh jee here we go with the socialist garbage. Iv heard it during Clinton, Kerry and Gore. Your complaining about socialist elements in the government that will inevitably be in there whether you have a conservative in or not. The US government will always have some system of socialist, changing the tax structure will always be a redistribution of wealth, whichever way you do it.

Rounds 2 and 3 of the Tea Party movement are being set up right now, WITHOUT FOX!

Exactly! because you got out marching with them the first time around! Everybody saw the the true agendas of those marches those days. You folks could have done yourselves a favour by atleast doing so seperately from fox and the ol' bush politicians the first time... but you know what, didnt wanna listen, you went ahead, the protests turned out to be a blimp on the attention screen of mainstream america and the world and you lost all credibility to complain.

They haven't said a word, but May 30 is round 2 and July 4 is round 3. (Bet you there's one in September.)

Because the first protest fell flat on its face you folks are now trying to hype up a second one and a third one.... seriously now. Goodluck on that, Ill be right there there to follow up on that one for you.

What? No MSM there? Not even FOX

Sorry I dont think thats going to make difference the next time around.

And, I'll save you some trouble:
Bush
Bushies
Fringe
Fringers
Newt
FOX
Jeb.

Thankyou for saving me the trouble. Im glad you remember the key words those protests will be remembered for.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Maybe you missed it. I'll repost my question.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
But its no secret the majority of those at the protests are posers, are constitutional hypocrites. They have their own personal agendas, and they are using your movement as fuel for the GOP.

According to who?

Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Maybe you missed it. I'll repost my question.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
But its no secret the majority of those at the protests are posers, are constitutional hypocrites. They have their own personal agendas, and they are using your movement as fuel for the GOP.

According to who?

Sorry, but from my perspective it views rather clear...

And it is a simple equation - bad for DEMS = good for GOP

Originally posted by mental modulator
And it is a simple equation - bad for DEMS = good for GOP

In this case, it is bad for both. Many people are fed up with both parties, and if the country keeps going down the path it's on many members of congress aren't going to be in office after the next election.

Your response didn't really answer my question though.