Why I dont buy the "tea party" protests

Really theres nothing more than watching people protesting their feelings and expressing their rights to freedom of speech. However when idiocy and hypocrisy dominates those protests well then they become an embarresment to our god given freedom.

I tell ya sitting around listening to "tea party" fringers go on about "socialism" and "fascism" all the time on here is enough to make any sane thinking person nauseous... for me its not the constant overkill of the terms, its the sheer hypocrisy behind them. The vast majority of these individuals and what they listen to completely contradicts what the real boston tea party stood for. The term "tea party" or "constitution" or "patriotism" has been hijacked by a bunch of nationalist rightwingers who claim to be the total opposite. The individuals of these mini "tea party" protests are evident enough, and I am more than happy to highlight just what, who and where. The question is, who are the individuals behind these protests?

Lets start with fox news, the news broadcaster that has been pushing these protests and outright declaring their support, do they have any credibility to protest?

digg.com...

Sean Hannity asks Vice President Cheney if he's "as surprised as he is that the country is so divided" and, given the all-consuming nature of the terrorist threat, if we should "even be debating the Patriot Act and NSA wiretapping".

Heres another interesting video:

It appears Mr Sean hannity has no problem opposing the First Amendment to the United States Constitution either.

www.youtube.com...
Has no problem shutting out ron paul and disagreeing with him either.

Paulers were'nt too happy bout him either before:
www.youtube.com...

Sean Hannity sure never gave a damn about the freedom of americans during Bush, where is he now?

hannity.blogs.foxnews.com...

I would like to announce our April 15 Tea Party show at 9 p.m. ET from the Atlanta Tax Day Tea Party Protest at the Georgia State Capitol.

Stay tuned to "Hannity", check our Web site and listen to the radio show for more details to come on how YOU can participate.

Yep looks like his jumped onto the bandwagon, and you know what Paulers are more than happy to hold his hand during the protests.

And mr Glenn beck? It appears his right there next to Mr Hannity protesting against the evil fascist? or is it Socialist government? Well its something they still can protest , well what is the history behind Glenn Beck?


I showed this video time and time again, and yet it appears that the Paulers refuse to listen. This man never gave a damn about the libertarian movement and outright supported the war in Iraq and stood with the neocons during the Bush years. Now his changed his tone, joined the bandwagon, and Paulers are crazy about him. Its a damn shame they have allowed themselves to be brought in so easily by this man.

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Ron Paul himself wasnt that convinced.

Need I go on about the other fox news anchors jumping on this tea party bandwagon? Lets move on from that shall we? It appears storm front, a white nationalist group has joined the tea party protests. Hand in hand with so called "constitutionalist conservatives" it sure is great to see the true colors of where the fringe stands. Oh no no no they have nothing to do with the "real tea party protestors" right? No yall just holding hands.... thats it.

www.examiner.com... gh-be-there

The Pittsburgh cop-killer was a devotee of the Glenn Beck/We Surround Them and StormFront movements. His belief that the election of Barack Obama signals the rise of tyranny that must be opposed by any means necessary was supported rhetorically by the right wing talk radio echo chamber.

The Tea Party Movement was organized to oppose the president’s economic program of tax cuts for 95 percent of Americans and support for the working class. Unfortunately, like the Sarah Palin rallies, violent elements feel right at home. The White Supremacist group StormFront is encouraging its members to join the tea party. The rhetoric is chilling.....

.....Whites Forward-upper Midwest “Who says we're going in with only a focus on taxes, or that many of the folks in these protests aren't also concerned about our people to some degree? Go where our people are starting to stand up around symptoms of the problem, and INTERVENE to guide them. Just because these started as an anti-tax protest doesn't mean that they must be limited and can't be developed upward toward an explicitly racial mass struggle. At the very least, you will find some Whites who are receptive...you will make gains one way or the other.

So do the agendas behind these protests go even further? Well to further the hypocrisy of fringers behind these protests there has always been talk from fringers that "they have nothing to do with republicans, or Bush, and the neocon agenda all these years" and that liberals were to blame for Bushes win in 2000 and 2004 These folks had nothing to do with Bush over the last 8years ?? ....

...Yet it appears the republican politicians are right beside these very fringers... and they have have an unconstitutional history behind em... lets dive into the histories of these Bush republicans who are now "tea party speakers"

Rep. David Davis (R-TN)
www.ontheissues.org...
A man known for his close ties to big oil, happily accepted money from the energy companies.... along with...

Rep. Ander Crenshaw (R-FL) &

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) &

Rep. John Shadegg (R-AZ)

-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. -Voted NO on requiring FISA warrants for wiretaps in US, but not abroad
-Voted YES on Tax cut package of $958 B over 10 years.
which had minimal effect on the economy especially during war.
-Voted NO on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq.
-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq.

Really I could go on but Iv seen enough It doesnt take much to realize what these "tea parties" really are, and who the individuals are.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

the real question is what about PATRIOTISM????

Where the hell did that talk go???

All of a sudden the government is evil, truth be told it is evil because "YOU" lost,
period.

Seriously, same folks defended BUSH, the war, the spending are now AWAKE..

BS x's 1,000,000,000,000,000

Its shuck and jive - boo hoo - wah wah - gaga gogo

be men for christ sake!

Glen Beck is anti NWO

who do you think is running commercials between segments???

You will shut up once you get another greasy fried criminal repo in again

like I said

BABIES

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Maybe I'm just not GROKING this rant sufficiently . . .

Seems overblown to me.

1. Most folks interested in the tea parties are deeply angered, fearful, frustrated, outraged at the wholesale slide, rush toward global government and the tyranny involved.

2. Some of them are aware that the oligarchy has played the electorate as fools with good-cop/bad-cop lunacies for decades. Some aren't aware of that yet FEEL that there's not really been much of a choice for a long time--the devil and the deep blue sea.

3. Some have fantasies of a real grass movement changing things. Many don't have any hope of that and just want to go on record as standing up in some feeble way while they still could.

4. Ron Paul would have been co-opted or terminated, removed soonish had he ever gained sufficient national power to be a threat to the oligarchy's plans. Scripture is clear. The global satanic government will be in power for 3.5-7 years--overtly. They've been in power a long time under the table.

5. Ron Paul is probably not greatly more of a saint than Alex Jones is. However, given the politicians one can compare them to . . . they come off smelling like saints, by comparison.

6. It's hunker down time . . . folks best walk close to God . . . the ONLY refuge in coming traumas.

It seems TPTB have succeeded...divide and conquer...

We are now so fragmented and have so many different agendas that it's hard to tell who we're fighting for or against anymore...

Congratulations America...

Down the Toilet we go...

Funny how that works...not...

Lord willing and the river between here and Savannah doesn't rise I'll be at the tea party on River Street April 15 th.

I read post after post accusing all of us of sitting on our butts and not doing anything to change what our government has become.

I will stand up and be counted as a lover of my great country. I will work to uphold our constitution until there is no more breath in my body.

I will be standing beside teachers, doctors, business owners and people from every walk of life at our tea party.

We are not radical teenagers having fun. Many of us are retired grey warriors that want our country back.

Give me liberty or give me death.

It seems that they... like most right wing rallies and protests... were small.

What does that tell ya about the depth and breath of the ring wing support in this country?

They need a right wing noise machine just to make themselves look big enough to get noticed.

bush minor was their money shot and they blew it.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by grover]

Originally posted by dizziedame
Lord willing and the river between here and Savannah doesn't rise I'll be at the tea party on River Street April 15 th.

I read post after post accusing all of us of sitting on our butts and not doing anything to change what our government has become.

I will stand up and be counted as a lover of my great country. I will work to uphold our constitution until there is no more breath in my body.

I will be standing beside teachers, doctors, business owners and people from every walk of life at our tea party.

And fox, the neocons and white nationalists will be right beside ya. A little neocon reunion.

I am sorry I sound bitter, maybe when you folks actually start taking out the bad weeds in this movement of yours I may be a little more convinced your any different.

SG.

Something I have noticed that has been happening with increasing frequency ever since election day is an attempt to label anyone who disagrees with the government, the president, or wants all of the asinine bills congress has been pushing through or trying to push through to stop, as a neo-con, republican, fringer, (enter your favorite label here). Prior to the election those same people were labeled as liberals, democrats, fringers, etc. Prior to the election they were accused of listening to too much MSNBC and CNN. Now they are accused of listening to too much Fox News. Both prior to and after the election they were just "mad their side lost the election". Prior to the election they were told to get up off their butts and do something if they didn't like what the government was doing or to leave the country if they don't like it. Now that they are trying to do something, regardless of whether or not it will work, they are told to quit being sore losers and racists.

There are many people here who have disagreed with what the government has been doing ever since Bush was elected the first time, and still disagree with it today. There are some who only disagreed under Bush and some who only disagree now that Obama is in office, true. But the majority have been disagreeing for over 8 years now. Yet no matter who is in office they always seem to be on the wrong side of the issue according to some posters here.

What that being said, I have a few questions for whoever wants to answer them and one specifically for the OP. What exactly is a fringer to you Southern Guardian? What makes people think that anyone who disagrees with Obama or the government listens to nothing but Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, or Fox News in general? Why do people insist on painting everyone with the same broad brush regardless of whether they truly are a republican or not?

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Jenna, star for you!

I could not have said it better myself.

I really get sick of this type attitude.

Here's the thing in a nutshell to me .....

If you want to protest the behavior of the idiots in Washington D.C. that we have elected to represent us because they aren't, then EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE who disagrees with their throat ramming policies ought to NOT file a tax return or write a check to cover taxes owed.

Revolution is at hand. The time to Revolt is now. If you don't do it now, you never will.

[edit on 4/12/2009 by Evisscerator]

reply to post by Jenna

As a liberal I can say that we... those of us who objected with the Republican and bush minor policies over the past 8 years were labeled as hating America and blame America first and traitors and siding with terrorists and so forth... now we are being labeled as socialists...

... it is the hard right that branded us as such and smeared us non-stop... now the shoe is on the other foot and you guys object to your branding... while I don't like any form of branding all I can say is poor babies.

reply to post by Jenna


Star from me too. I really wish I could have starred 100 times. Too bad some people on ATS are only political party oriented and not American oriented.

[edit on 12/4/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

Gotta love it when the Clintonista left wingers start talking that protests are un-American, after their actions the 8 years previously.

Originally posted by grover
reply to post by Jenna

 

As a liberal I can say that we... those of us who objected with the Republican and bush minor policies over the past 8 years were labeled as hating America and blame America first and traitors and siding with terrorists and so forth... now we are being labeled as socialists...

... it is the hard right that branded us as such and smeared us non-stop... now the shoe is on the other foot and you guys object to your branding... while I don't like any form of branding all I can say is poor babies.

And that gloating is at the expense of our country. Yes, I will admit that some "hard righters" accused the same thing and now the shoe is on the other foot but is gloating the answer? I say it is not.

It is far past time that political party affiliation be dissolved. I think we can all agree that both parties are a sham and are too expensive for America.

I call for a truce so that we can come together (although it may be too late) to save our country.

Posts such as the OP only serve to further divide. If the OP really wanted what's best for America, he/she would avoid divisiveness.

[edit on 12/4/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

Originally posted by Evisscerator
Here's the thing in a nutshell to me .....

If you want to protest the behavior of the idiots in Washington D.C. that we have elected to represent us because they aren't, then EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE who disagrees with their throat ramming policies ought to NOT file a tax return or write a check to cover taxes owed.

Revolution is at hand. The time to Revolt is now. If you don't do it now, you never will.

[edit on 4/12/2009 by Evisscerator]

Will you?

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman


I don't see it so much as gloating as pointing out the hypocricy of their complaint and a consequent lack of sympathy for them.

I took most of this post from another thread, but I don't think it will violate T+C, as I am the author... I feel it's a VERY important set of facts to consider when attending a tax day "Tea Party"... organized by (???).




"The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War." -Benjamin Franklin



Spot on. I feel that my prime irritation with our present system is the Federal Reserve system. A debt free currency is essential. Second only to that is the "Patriot" act. The name alone makes me furious. Most of my family don't even realize the scope and reach of this ultimate tool of tyranny.
That's part of the problem too though... there are a large number of people that just somehow are "programmed" (for lack of a better word, not literally) to stop listening or tune others out when they speak ill of our present government. I've been branded as the family conspiracy theorist. Strangely enough the only other vet in my immediate family shares many of my beliefs, and even points things out to me I hadn't seen! I wonder if serving the beaurocracy helps a person more readily accept what others may find unbelievable at first glance...(?)

Back to the point... I'm really worried about these "Tea Parties" happening on tax day across the nation. I know that my state has implemented "Face Recognition" technology through our DOT. These biometric "faceprints" are said to be more unique and accurate than fingerprints.

Link: L1 Solutions, formerly Viisage Technologies. Supplier to PennDOT, USA as well as the People's Republic of China.

www.l1id.com...


It's not too hard to imagine this technology from the same company not simultaneously implemented:

www.l1id.com...

I'm not on a watchlist that I know of, but...

With that in mind, I'm wondering if it's worth it to attend a tea party? I know it's symbolic, and could indeed be a catalyzing event... I'm just worried. For a couple of reasons: First, obviously I know TPTB have free access to the technology shown on the above link. Don't buy it? Try this PennDOT link, billed as a identity theft and fraud deterrent:

Link: PennDOT site.

www.dmv.state.pa.us...

I have a thread running on traffic cameras all over PA potentially utilizing this technology currently... but I don't want to digress.

One other reason I am concerned with these tea parties is that many of the people are there solely because they want tax relief, or hate the government, or their boyfriend/girlfriend was going... what have you. Essentially any reason but the real reason that these "tea parties" are even symbolic in the first place! The Boston Tea Pary was an outburst of an angry populace at yet another financial fleecing by the Crown.

I'm worried these events will turn into a rabble... a mockery of what they could be.

Check out what a local bar is doing for their "tea party"

Link: Local meat market.

www.red1023.com...

An absolute mockery. They took what was a good intent, and are making it into a social event.

This is the notice that a buddy sent me the other day. He just "found out" about the tax day tea party, and wants to go. He still doesn't really grasp what it's supposed to be about, and I suspect there will be a lot more like that at this event. (I hope the less fortunate get lots of canned goods though.)

www.commonwealthfoundation.org...

I don't know... I think I'll just sit across the river on high ground with a great set of binocs...

Link: Thank you for the photo, Julia Lewis... whoever you are... This was likely taken from Negley Park in Lemoyne. If It were panned down a bit, you'd be looking directly down State Street at the west steps... Where the rally will be taking place. That is the steeple of St. Patrick's on the left... for the Harrisburg savvy...

www.pbase.com...

Well, now you know I wouldn't use this same spot, but you get the point.

Counterpoint: If I just thought of that... TPTB certainly have as well.

Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean "they" are not watching you.

Edit(s): Fixed links, spelling
[edit on 12/4/09 by cbianchi513]

[edit on 12/4/09 by cbianchi513]

reply to post by grover


As I said, there are some who only disagree with on party or the other but there are many of us who have disagreed with both sides for over 8 years now. I would be one of the many, yet in your response to the questions I posed you attempted to paint me with the same brush as someone who only disagrees if a democrat is in office. So again I ask you, why paint everyone with the same brush?

now the shoe is on the other foot and you guys object to your branding... while I don't like any form of branding all I can say is poor babies.

Except that for all intents and purposes I am a liberal as well if I have to pick a label. Yet I get branded, as you call it, as a right winger if I dare to disagree with the government now that a liberal is in office. How exactly does that work? Myself and many others are branded by both sides for not standing neatly in party lines. You say you don't like any form of branding, yet you do it yourself to anyone who disagrees with your political views. Rather hypocritical don't you think?

Reading the responses posted to this and other threads, I am dishearten by the continued politics of false paradigm of “Republican right against Democratic left”; the slave's game of partisan politics. With seeming blind abandon, both parties are leading the American people into the hell of NWO globalism; one need only reflect on George Bush’s comment: "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a goddamned piece of paper", and Dick Cheney’s laughing comment that he had failed to mention his having led the Council on Foreign Relations and his support for global government during the election to be able to be elected. Then of course the surrender of control over the American economic system to oversight by the IMF and World Bank, with the follow up appointment of Harold Koh (“President Obama's nominee for State Department legal adviser could be a future Supreme Court pick. He believes U.S. law should be based on foreign precedent, and even Shariah law could find a home here.” Kasin) it has become obvious that both political parties consider the US Constitution as nothing more than a piece of paper to be discarded at will.

"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble opinion, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." ~ John Adams

What then are we to do? While I agree with the thread’s author that to have Hannity and other obviously partisan political hacks evolved with the Tea Party movement could cast suspicion on the movement, I see it as more of getting in front of the mob chasing you out of town to act as if your leading the parade. Ron Paul is in agreement with this take in as much as their joining the movement does nothing more than to help shed light on the righteous indignation of the American people; no one would buy the Republican leadership as true defenders of the Constitution as THEY backed the Patriot Act and Tarp 1, which by definition is treason.

What the Tea Party movement is all about is to return our Government to its Constitutional boundaries, to force the “Your Not Alone” movement out into the public eye so that the “People” who know something is terribly wrong with our Republic will know it is time to stand with their fellow Americans to force TRUE change. To say that this is useless is to forget the example of Martin Luther King, who through non-violent protest sparked the American people to remember that 'all men are created equal'; the righteousness of his principled stand having highlighted the hypocrisy of tolerating racism in America.

Let us remember:

"The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men."~ Samuel Adams

Long Live This Republic!

[edit on 4/12/2009 by SGTChas]

Originally posted by Jenna
Something I have noticed that has been happening with increasing frequency ever since election day is an attempt to label anyone who disagrees with the government, the president, or wants all of the asinine bills congress has been pushing through or trying to push through to stop, as a neo-con, republican, fringer, (enter your favorite label here). Prior to the election those same people were labeled as liberals, democrats, fringers, etc. Prior to the election they were accused of listening to too much MSNBC and CNN. Now they are accused of listening to too much Fox News. Both prior to and after the election they were just "mad their side lost the election". Prior to the election they were told to get up off their butts and do something if they didn't like what the government was doing or to leave the country if they don't like it. Now that they are trying to do something, regardless of whether or not it will work, they are told to quit being sore losers and racists.

There are many people here who have disagreed with what the government has been doing ever since Bush was elected the first time, and still disagree with it today. There are some who only disagreed under Bush and some who only disagree now that Obama is in office, true. But the majority have been disagreeing for over 8 years now. Yet no matter who is in office they always seem to be on the wrong side of the issue according to some posters here.

See here folks, Jenna is a pure example of what the majority of fringers have become. In denial and their continous siding with the neocon media machines. Not once did she directly reply to what was actually presented in the OP. Just simply ignored it.

So as your not a gun trodding Obama hatin conservative you will not be heard on here, doesnt matter what facts you provide, or evidence, they will simple ignore it on here. The upside of this all folks is that beyond these forum grounds, there is no more room left for these individuals to talk. Their credibility died off with Bush and the neocons. Whats left are a bunch of mini protests and imaginary stars on a forum, and thats where it will stay for a long time to come.

What that being said, I have a few questions for whoever wants to answer them and one specifically for the OP.

You wont be getting any direct answers from me until you actually read the information provided in the OP and you give me an explanation.... because all I see are a bunch of protesting pots calling the tea kettle black.