Its time to defeat the powers that be - by adopting communisim!

Originally posted by consciencious observer
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that is the beautiful thing about how commercialism is already set up just take out money and there you go it all fits perfectly you still have the ability to allow free thinking and trends to flow each.. company puts their products in the catalog and people choose the ones they like better here is your competition that you say none of us can live without.


i believe your idea for distribution is ingenious but at the same time hysterical it actually made chuckle a bit

Glad I gave you a chuckle. Really I am not trying to attack your ideas. I am just taking things to the extreme to test your theories.

But without money how do you account for the relative difference in value of different items. Like a 10 carat diamond ring is one item and a shirt is another, but they dont have the same value. Because if you go to something like a point system to accout for differences in relative value then basically you are making the points function as money, you are just calling it something different.

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you would work as long as there is demand for your field that is another thing instead of nonstop inefficient building. instead only build wat is needed to keep the populace comfortable and when there is a lack of work in your field hey guess what you dont have to work you can actually relax for awhile and still have most of the benefits of working and hey you could even go back to school during this downtime which then you wouldnt have to work because you are in school ( sry for all those that saw the hole but there will be a cap on the amount of years you can attend at any one time and then a certain amount of years before you can go back. this is done for obvious reasons of course)and by becoming multiskilled well this will only open up more rewards tiers for that individuals(note it is tiered so people will have the yearning to keep excelling (example wen you start outyou would get something like a honda civic class car but of course there will be more than one choice of car and as you better yourself and your credentials the more exotic and teched out the rewards are. yet more competition for the simple minded.

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Lol I caught that "more competition for the simple minded" shot.

So isnt everyone going to sign up for the jobs where they get their work done the fastest so they can have the rest of the time off. So how you going to decide which people get to fill those positions?

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""Glad I gave you a chuckle. Really I am not trying to attack your ideas. I am just taking things to the extreme to test your theories. "" from justsomeboreddude

and thank you for testing me because if it werent for folks such as yourself i would have never gotten as far as i have with organizing the theory to fit with reality

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everyone would be urged to go into the path that they really want. they would be urged to follow their calling so to speak and for those that want to do just the bare minimum well supervisors should take note of such and these notes should be applied to the individuals rewards.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by consciencious observer]

Ok and I will point out that capitalism does a pretty good job of stopping overbuilding of any product. If you dont manage your inventory you are going to go out of business pretty quick. The only ones who really struggle with this are unionized shops where they agree to pay full salaries to workers even though they are not producing anything. GM is a great example of this. As you can see, it really works well for them.

So our society is going to have to support these people who have nothing left to produce. That is very inefficient. Cant we make them mow our yards or something, or maybe have them make a drug run for us? I dont really like to wait for UPS to deliver my meth if you know what I mean.

Originally posted by consciencious observer
reply to post by justsomeboreddude

 

everyone would be urged to go into the path that they really want. they would be urged to follow their calling so to speak and for those that want to do just the bare minimum well supervisors should take note of such and these notes should be applied to the individuals rewards.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by consciencious observer]

Well who is going to say they feel their calling in life is too flip burgers at McDonalds, or gather the trash, or clean the horse crap up, or wipe old peoples butts?

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you say they do a good job at stopping over building then i ask you my friend wat the hell happened to the american housing market.

society does not have to support any one person at least in a survival aspect this is already taken care of by nature

and also everyday there will people wanting something and if the shelves arent overstuffed with products, half of which will go bad before it is even needed, there will always be a need for the work so work should thus be always readily available for the willing and the system as a whole would be more efficient as a result of this

Do you have any idea how much admiistration this would take? Because if say I worked at Vera Wang, I would be ripping off some 20k wedding dresses. You know old Betty Jo down the street would blow you until your knees buckled for a Vera Wang.

Also, what if my calling in life was to do taxes, and now you have eliminated taxes... I am screwed, no more calling in life.

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Ok the housing market is a great example. They did overbuild and now many of them will go bankrupt if the government doesnt bail them out like everything else. People will learn from this and for a while, until everyone looses their minds again, they will probably build houses to order for the most part going forward.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude

Originally posted by consciencious observer
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everyone would be urged to go into the path that they really want. they would be urged to follow their calling so to speak and for those that want to do just the bare minimum well supervisors should take note of such and these notes should be applied to the individuals rewards.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by consciencious observer]

Well who is going to say they feel their calling in life is too flip burgers at McDonalds, or gather the trash, or clean the horse crap up, or wipe old peoples butts?

these are all lower level jobs either done by teenagers or mentally disabled folk and for the truly undesirable jobs why not have an android do it

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Do you have any idea how much admiistration this would take? Because if say I worked at Vera Wang, I would be ripping off some 20k wedding dresses. You know old Betty Jo down the street would blow you until your knees buckled for a Vera Wang.

Also, what if my calling in life was to do taxes, and now you have eliminated taxes... I am screwed, no more calling in life.

yea it will take 6 billion + and how could you steal from a place where inventory is being kept and surveillance systems are in place

and im sure said guy would be more than happy to find a job else where crunching numbers






[edit on 6-4-2009 by consciencious observer]

Also you said this:

"society does not have to support any one person at least in a survival aspect this is already taken care of by nature "

that is not true if you live in a city or the suburbs. You cant just grow a cow and some crops in your apartment or your back yard. You cant just go out and get some water out of the gutter to drink. You cant heat your house with firewood if you dont have any trees to cut down.

If everyone gets a civic somebodies going to have to start building a hell of a lot of civics to get one to every chinese and indian dude on the planet.
Then you are going to have to build a bunch of steel plants, etc..

Plus what about the guy that gets drunk and smashes up his new civic when he hits his Uncle Cow over in India? Does he get a new one?

Excuse me but everyone is stuck in a false paradigm that has been created to keep us unaware of our true nature.

If every human on earth died tomorrow would the birds or the fish care?
No, they would carry on quite happily.

If you took all the 3 year olds in the world and gave them their own country it would take thousands of years for them to become evil.
And they probably would survive.

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Trust me.. if history proves anything.. anything can be stolen and anyone can be killed if you want it bad enough.

Also, there are no androids that can drive around a garbage truck and pick up trash. This isnt freaking Star-Trek. But you did about bring me to tears laughing at the thought of a bunch of handicapped people picking up my trash or taking my order at McDonalds. Not that i dont identify with their struggles in life but thats kind of hilarious.

Originally posted by marsha law
Excuse me but everyone is stuck in a false paradigm that has been created to keep us unaware of our true nature.

If every human on earth died tomorrow would the birds or the fish care?
No, they would carry on quite happily.

If you took all the 3 year olds in the world and gave them their own country it would take thousands of years for them to become evil.
And they probably would survive.

I have a 7 year old and a 10 year old. They would take over the world in about 5 minutes if you gave them their own country. I love my children to death but it took about a week of having them to realize we are all born self centered.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Also you said this:

"society does not have to support any one person at least in a survival aspect this is already taken care of by nature "

that is not true if you live in a city or the suburbs. You cant just grow a cow and some crops in your apartment or your back yard. You cant just go out and get some water out of the gutter to drink. You cant heat your house with firewood if you dont have any trees to cut down.

If everyone gets a civic somebodies going to have to start building a hell of a lot of civics to get one to every chinese and indian dude on the planet.
Then you are going to have to build a bunch of steel plants, etc..

Plus what about the guy that gets drunk and smashes up his new civic when he hits his Uncle Cow over in India? Does he get a new one?

i knew i should have worded that differently ok in the system these few people being out of work for the short period of time they will be out(if it even happens since the system is supposed to be as efficient as possible)will not affect any one other person based on the fact all will be provided for regardless of whether they are able to work or not

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That is what i think you miss the mark on. Anytime society is providing for someone that doesnt work or add value to the society in some way, it is taking resources from the rest of us.

Alright, I better get to bed. I got to get up and earn some money to pay the old slave masters that made me borrow money.

It was good debating with you. Good luck taking over the world. Just remember when you pull this all off I want a big house and a kick butt car and one of those seasonal jobs. Oh yeah and a vacation house on the beach. I will share. I promise.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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Trust me.. if history proves anything.. anything can be stolen and anyone can be killed if you want it bad enough.

Also, there are no androids that can drive around a garbage truck and pick up trash. This isnt freaking Star-Trek. But you did about bring me to tears laughing at the thought of a bunch of handicapped people picking up my trash or taking my order at McDonalds. Not that i dont identify with their struggles in life but thats kind of hilarious.

this is very true but if there is no reason for theft or selfish killing of others
in this system because everyone is given a fair chance to succeed and there are people that still fight the flow they will be punished by the full extent of the law

and are you seriously that narrow minded we already have lifesize robots that can walk and talk they may not be that efficient. but if that field were given a year or two and unlimited resources i mean just imagine the possibilities and if you truly believe that wat you see in sci fi will remain sci fi then you my friend have no faith in wat our people are capable of if actually given the chance to create such things

[edit on 6-4-2009 by consciencious observer]

and another thing free energy could have been around a century ago when tesla came up with the theory but of course since it was "FREE" energy they buried in all the einsteinian bull that many believe today not really saying that anything he stated was bull but he advocated propulsion by combustion which as we all know combustion is the greased up engine running the whole show combustion=profits free energy= well its free so who would pay for it hence why tesla died and shortly after einstein started spewing his dialogue.