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posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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also i used the civic as an example there will just as many car companies as there are now if not more.. choices choices everywhere

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posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by consciencious observer
 


That is what i think you miss the mark on. Anytime society is providing for someone that doesnt work or add value to the society in some way, it is taking resources from the rest of us.

Alright, I better get to bed. I got to get up and earn some money to pay the old slave masters that made me borrow money.

It was good debating with you. Good luck taking over the world. Just remember when you pull this all off I want a big house and a kick butt car and one of those seasonal jobs. Oh yeah and a vacation house on the beach. I will share. I promise.


if the resources are available no matter what. then those few that cant work for watever reason will have no affect on those that are still working please give me some kind of actual/theoretical proof that it would not work like this. people may want to think that they are being robbed of something but when logic says once you have enough to meet demand stop until demand goes back up well logic is irrefutable. but wen it comes down to it the ones that still have a demand on their job may feel like they are loosing something but this ideal is just plain old selfish and to say the least deevolutionary. you cannot receive less of a set amount no matter the situation



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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and honestly i hate wen people use the term take over the world i would like to think i am more trying to save it from certain doom and eh eh eh you almost got me there sorry but you will have to earn that fancy house and that kickas car just like everyone else goodnight to you good sir and thank you for helping me voice my opinion in ways i have only thought of doing for years now. hope to debate again in the near future



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posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 01:07 AM
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"Fight the New World Order with Global Non Compliance"

"Zeitgeist Addendum"


then "THINK!"



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by mcguyvermanolo
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"Fight the New World Order with Global Non Compliance"

"Zeitgeist Addendum"


then "THINK!"

please define global non compliance but please dont only define the title but how it supposed to be enacted and all the wonderful ins and outs of the theory



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by mental modulator
Socialist will never work... Why would I want design cars when I could fried chickens and make as much money
?
What would be the fun of being a researcher when I could make as much money answering a phone all day and read the same simple script two hundred time a day

Really ????
I mean people would all be working in a assembly line cause its easy.
Nobody has refuted the wearing of helmuts, socialistismsers


Because spiritually you wouldn't want to do it from the time you turn 19 until you retire at 75.
If I could earn a living wage and had the choice of doing something as mind numbing as telemarketing or something exciting like research, I know which one I'd prefer.
How many times have you heard people say who love what they do, even if I didn't do this for a living, I'd do it free?
How many people have been lucky enough to work at something they love AND earn a living?
A lot of discoveries have been made by people who did it as a passion as a hobby, who weren't even paid
A lot died bitter not because of lack of MONEY but for the lack of RECOGNITION.

Not everyone performs for MONEY you know. Some have a very strong connection to what they do for a living, They are the lucky ones.

I don't agree with Communism, Socialism but I think the above has nothing to do with politics but the human condition, psyche and spirit.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 08:02 AM
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There are going to have to be way more car companies if you are going to give a car to everyone in China and India over the age of 16.

Also, one other point. Resources are NEVER unlimited. So your point of being able to rapidly improve androids to the point they can take out the trash by using unlimited resources is not possible. I will give you that eventually man can develop that. But it doesnt really make sense to focus an unlimited amount of resources on solving the problem of taking the trash to the dump.

Now I know I am being a bit ridiculous, but the point is there is no such thing as unlimited resources.



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posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 08:04 AM
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LOL, I was just kidding with the taking over the world thing. I know you just want to be the benevolent founder.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 08:29 AM
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dammit i hate this computer sometimes i had everything typed out then selected outside the textbox(damn touchpads) and proceeded to hit backspace which of course with chrome sent me back to the thread dammit dammit dammit o well basically androids would not only be built to take care of mundane and undesirable everyday tasks but they would also be used for the extreme research where humans wouldnt be able tosurvive the conditions we could instead design a machine that could(black holes, new planets, etc.) nismo(honda's robot) can do over 1,000 tasks including take out the garbage and even in todays system where balance is even more important and fragile.gov scientists are givin whatever they need to get the job done. so why not be able to do the same within communism especially if dumping all these resources into this field would give an infinite amount of resources in return



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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LOL, I was just kidding with the taking over the world thing. I know you just want to be the benevolent founder.



as nice as it would be i could care less about the recognition as long as my thoughts make an impact for the better



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 08:37 AM
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and sry i never really answered your no succh thing as unlimited resources point


take this into consideration if space is infinite there are infinite resources case closed

[edit on 6-4-2009 by consciencious observer]



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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I tend to agree with you.

I remember, vaguely, when we studied Marx's Manifesto, our professor said that Marx didn't take into consideration the human flaw of greed. Seems to me that any economic system that does not take greed into consideration and make laws/regulations to reign it in will eventually fail the masses, while the rich will get richer and more powerful and the middle class will disappear.

Capitalism is no better than communism, as it can be every bit as oppressive as what we have seen in so-called communist countries. Unless there is a real socialist safety net built in, as many European nations have, people living under a run-a-muck capitalist economic scheme are really sunk when the whole thing comes crashing down and it will every time we refuse to regulate the financial industry.

As I understand it, put simply, the difference between a Communist state and a fascist state is that with Communism the state owns everything, including businesses. With fascism, the corporations own the government. We have been heading for fascism since WWI. Only Democracy has slowed it down. With the Bush administration all restraint went out the window, the gloves came off and our troubles became more apparent to more of the American people.

Can it be more apparent than it is now? We are now being held hostage by the financial industry. After all, they have shown us just how far they will go to wreck everything if they don't get their way about everything. Have we learned our lesson? I doubt it.

We need more regulation to protect ourselves from the greed in all sectors. We need major lobbying reform. We must never again allow any business to get too big to fail. Whatever happened to anti-trust laws, anyhow?

We must build in a social safety net, a real one, for the good of society as a whole, which must include real healthcare for every citizen. If that's socialism, then so be it. Many European nations are not going to have to run huge deficits because they already have those kinds of safety nets and they didn't try to run two wars off the books.

I do know one thing. The Republicans, with their rigid ideologies, have jumped the shark for sure this time. They have lost all credibility with me and with everybody I know. Still, they seem determined to continue to implode.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by consciencious observer
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they will become a seperate entity but will have no power over the true communistic society they will basically given only a few neccessities to get there own civ started such as food seeds and some food to get them by for only so long. so they basically will start from nothing but a few ideas about how money might work and go from there not only will it take them time to develop anything and anything developed will be closely monitored by the masses or those that are interested "whatev" but it would also be a good experiment for us to learn from and if someway somehow the experiment lasts long enough for it to be a plausible solution and if it is a more logical and efficient way still giving equality to all then hey why not but the simple fact that the experiment will become corrupt just as the system itself is now, is almost irrefutable do you not agree



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That's basically what the Church or Caliphs did in their time.

DO you relay trust the people to be responsible with monitoring scientific and economic developments? What if someone wants to break away and make a capitalist society somewhere else? the only way to stop him is to kill or arrest him. but what if people want to do what this person does? How do you stop society from cracking into 2?

Also, no, the right words do not move everyone. Some people are just closed to change. How on Earth is it that creationism continues on with all the evidence against it? a whole third of the US is creationist. This is the simple fact. Once you are tied to one way, rarely do you change. Just look at yourself! You are a dedicated communist with no vision of making communism work. So you, by your very nature, is proof.

And then, what happens when someone wants to leave the planet to make their own society elsewhere? What happens when that society, generations later, comes back to claim the Earth as their own? How will your society stop this? Because the only way you can is through destructive means. Sometimes, some people cannot be stopped. The "sick million" I mentioned. You cannot, and will not, ever have society under one system, one government, or one way.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 02:24 PM
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What a load of B.S. Communism and the Commmunists have worked for the Capitalist Bankers since day one. Firstly Marx wrote / copied his manifesto in the heart of the Capitalist Empire ...London. Secondly he was sponsored / financed by the super rich Rothchilds bankers in London. Thirdly Lenin was living in the Banking Capital of the World Switzerland when he was sent through Germany to Russia to start the Communist Revolution . Fourthly the lead Communists were from Capitalist Brooklyn namely Lev David Bronstein a.k.a. Trotsky etc . They went to Russia with finances from the Rockefellers . Communism requires financing and banking just like capitalism .
And Mao was financed by London , his favorite brand of capitalist cigarette being 555 London, which also was the most popular cigarette in China....which made a profit for the Capitalist Tobacco Company . Hong Kong was never invaded by the Chinese because the British gave asylum to the Communists . Pol Pol was financed by the Rockefeller Illuminati.

Anyways O'bama is a Communist as was his grandmother , uncle and cousins, as is Zybrinski , Kissenger etc etc Politics is a game of B.S. all financed by evil Bankstas. Thats why our soldiers are sent to Afganistan so they can not defend us , thats why there are mass graves and mass coffins ready for the people thanks to the traitors in the Coup D'eta Junta of the U.S. / E.U.

www.infowars.com...



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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And now back to the real world!



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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My take on this is that the system we have is already a combination of capitalism and socialism but its all done under the heading of democracy.

For me its the democracy thats not working properly. Despite the fact we have hundreds of elected representatives.

The reason for this is that politicians tend to say what they think we want to hear to get elected but then once elected the do something different, often making excuses to cover their fraud. Or they have further bouts of democracy with more debating and voting and getting nowhere.

the upshot of this is that no real progress is made on issues affecting us.

I'd like to propose a new system... Democratic Dictatorship.

We elect one guy to run the whole thing.

Anyone can stand to be Dictator... just present your list of what you will do, such as shoot all bankers, close down the military, abolish religion, tax the internet.... whatever you want. Lets be honest I doubt anybody could mess things up worse than the folk doin the job right now.

Once in power you are free to do what you like. At that point Democracy will end and Dictatorship begins.

Either you will do a great job everyone will love you and you will rule forever, a bit like Cuba, or you will totally mess up there will be a revolution and thats the end of you.

If that happens my idea hasn't worked and we will move on to plan B which I havn't figured out yet.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 06:35 PM
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Oh yeah I forgot we live in a magical world where we have androids and vehicles that can travel accross the galaxy and bring back whatever we need. I forgot that we can travel faster than the speed of light and overcome gravity so we dont really need time or a power source for our super huge mining ships to traverse the universe mine out some coal or gold or whatever and haul a huge bunch back accross the universe for our use.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by elder693
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I tend to agree with you.

I remember, vaguely, when we studied Marx's Manifesto, our professor said that Marx didn't take into consideration the human flaw of greed. Seems to me that any economic system that does not take greed into consideration and make laws/regulations to reign it in will eventually fail the masses, while the rich will get richer and more powerful and the middle class will disappear.

Capitalism is no better than communism, as it can be every bit as oppressive as what we have seen in so-called communist countries. Unless there is a real socialist safety net built in, as many European nations have, people living under a run-a-muck capitalist economic scheme are really sunk when the whole thing comes crashing down and it will every time we refuse to regulate the financial industry.

As I understand it, put simply, the difference between a Communist state and a fascist state is that with Communism the state owns everything, including businesses. With fascism, the corporations own the government. We have been heading for fascism since WWI. Only Democracy has slowed it down. With the Bush administration all restraint went out the window, the gloves came off and our troubles became more apparent to more of the American people.

Can it be more apparent than it is now? We are now being held hostage by the financial industry. After all, they have shown us just how far they will go to wreck everything if they don't get their way about everything. Have we learned our lesson? I doubt it.

We need more regulation to protect ourselves from the greed in all sectors. We need major lobbying reform. We must never again allow any business to get too big to fail. Whatever happened to anti-trust laws, anyhow?

We must build in a social safety net, a real one, for the good of society as a whole, which must include real healthcare for every citizen. If that's socialism, then so be it. Many European nations are not going to have to run huge deficits because they already have those kinds of safety nets and they didn't try to run two wars off the books.

I do know one thing. The Republicans, with their rigid ideologies, have jumped the shark for sure this time. They have lost all credibility with me and with everybody I know. Still, they seem determined to continue to implode.

"as you understand it" you mean this was the way you were taught by the very people that have openly admitted to planning global oppression which mind you is not communism( which i will school you on in a second)
but the capitalist system that we all have allowed to run-a-muck for too long. first off communism itself, true communism that is, (not the bull versions that were tried in russia and the many other failed attempts to turn the beauty of communism into just another way of controlling the masses) with true communism the people themselves have the power to make decisions. not any one group. voting would have to be unanimous of course, and all people would have to do is their best to make themselves the best they can be



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 06:41 PM
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How are you going to get unanimous voting from an entire society? If you took 5 guys, you couldnt get them to unanimously vote on what kind of underwear to buy let alone what direction the entire planet should take.



[edit on 6-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

[edit on 6-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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Oh yeah I forgot we live in a magical world where we have androids and vehicles that can travel accross the galaxy and bring back whatever we need. I forgot that we can travel faster than the speed of light and overcome gravity so we dont really need time or a power source for our super huge mining ships to traverse the universe mine out some coal or gold or whatever and haul a huge bunch back accross the universe for our use.


for one i am not saying that we have this already and you know this so why even try to mock me i am just saying that pretty much all of wat you said is basically the next evolutionary step for us and whether you want to be believe it or not many of these technologies are completely plausible sh** ask any physicist and they will tell you that (within the means of the system currently in use) if they had the amount of money it would take to create such tech and the legal right to do so they would do it in a heart beat ...the math is out there the theories are out there .. and if you were to honestly believe there is not some sort of organized society of interplanetary beings well that just makes you and the people that think like you very arrogant in the least


and why not instead of just repeating most of the crap that you heard your life and seem to want to justify that your responses really mean anything to anyone that as not found this magic way to somehow get there heads up there asses so instead why dont you try to come up with a better way that will never be able to be corrupt and will this planet a truly peaceful place and give us the ability to ascend and maybe actually earn our place in the cosmos instead of going down in some log book as another failed experiment i can guarantee if you use any logic in your thinking then maybe just maybe you will accept the fact that communism isnt the evil, oppressive , and/or bland,uncreative monstrosity that the evil, oppressive, and selfish people that somehow snaked there way into power.(stalin,mao,the leader guy of china) which if true communism were enacted then it would be impossible for anyone person to anyother person wat to do , and even the powers of unanimity dont have the right to tell the individual wat to do but morals and moral obligation to yourself and society is wat should make those decisions between wat is right and wat is wrong and if you choose to do the latter well you will punished by the law just as now





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