Its time to defeat the powers that be - by adopting communisim!

uhhh females... the woman is making me get off to spend time with her be back later
peace and love to all

reply to post by count66

Capitalism is not democracy. Democracy is government for all, regardless of social, economic, ethnic. Now you see the wealth in the hands of the minority and that governments give their support to a possible bankruptcy at the expense of taxes paid by all, by cutting social benefits for the greedy who break the established system .
Now the youth of United States, sees what has happened and look for an answer to why the greedy are benefiting at the expense of the people. Wealth is unevenly distributed, some of the unfairness of the capitalist system.
I congratulate you for initiating a change in the mind of your society.
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There is only one reply from me....F...U.

Everywhere Communism has been tried, has led to death, destruction, and depravity.

Communism has never worked and will never work, and to even suggest to free men this idea is plain stupidiy.

You need to board a boat in Florida, and head to what was once a beautiful paradise, that is till communism set foot and enslaved the population. Cuba, I am sure will lay out the red carpet for you, hand you a hoe, and set you to work in the fields for the collective.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by TooRisky]

Are you serious?

You do know who was behind both Engles and Marx right? And you also know that Trotsky and Lenin were also funded by people you call "Capitalists" though I wouldn't label them capitalists, more like despotic parasites.

The Rothschilds were behind all four of these men. They shaped them and used them to create a synthesis. What I'm equally surprised about is this word "Democracy" being thrown around like it is something good. Consensus doesn't equal freedom, and Democracy is, in the plainest of terms, mob rules.

The Elite of this world are inherently evil simply because evil men lust for power while good men just want to live life in peace and not be bothered. Unfortunately, someone said that all evil needs to flourish is for good men to do nothing, and now here we all are...dominated by evil men.

The main problem is government in general. There are always a group of men who think they have a good idea based on liberty and freedom. They think their ideas are so good that they decide to force it on the rest of use.

This is the case with every form of government there is. It is always formed from the top down. There has never been a true people's revolution. The word government literally means "to steer the mind." I don't know about all of you but that doesn't sound like a good thing, now does it?

The idea behind the Constitution (A Constitutional Republican form of Government) and the virtues that go along with it, has been the pinnacle of all forms of government thus far. It went wrong because there were evil men determined to control it for their own purposes from the very beginning.

Another reason it failed is because the people never had a say in its creation. The Constitution was written by the Elite not by the common people. It may have been a bastion of freedom in a dark world but being the freest slave on the plantation isn't exactly something to brag about.

We need a very simple form of government which is actually controlled by the people and not by professional politicians. The power must be decentralized and their cannot be one man at the top. The Constitution is fundamentally sound, a few changes here and there and we could have something that would work.














[edit on 5-4-2009 by Max777]

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once again true communism has never been tried obviously cuz if it had been done correctly we would be practicing it right now. what you think was communism was actually different corrupt forms of the idea such as stalinism- the monstrosity that stalin turned communism into by trying to centralize it.this is wat you have been led to think of communism as wen really the very idea of communism is to put absolute power in the hands of the entire populace of the planet and this power is regulated by a certain set of rules that can only be changed or added to by a unanimous( meaning every single person must agree) vote

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Rape and other crimes are not caused solely by oppression. Oppression can be a factor. Take the one Kennedy guy that raped the girl. Do you think he did this because his basic needs werent met? What about Mike Tyson? He raped women even when he was at the peak of his earning power. What about OJ? All of his basic needs were more then met, but he still killed his wife.

I gree with what you are saying, but eliminating poverty would still reduce a lot of crime, especially petty crime. It would improve social and health conditions as well. The saving as a result of these things alone would pay for the basic income.

I don't think anyone is saying rape and other crimes are caused "soley by oppression". Who said that?

Originally posted by John Matrix

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Rape and other crimes are not caused solely by oppression. Oppression can be a factor. Take the one Kennedy guy that raped the girl. Do you think he did this because his basic needs werent met? What about Mike Tyson? He raped women even when he was at the peak of his earning power. What about OJ? All of his basic needs were more then met, but he still killed his wife.

I gree with what you are saying, but eliminating poverty would still reduce a lot of crime, especially petty crime. It would improve social and health conditions as well. The saving as a result of these things alone would pay for the basic income.

I don't think anyone is saying rape and other crimes are caused "soley by oppression". Who said that?

why even bother having a monetary system it is just one more thing to be controlled to benefit someone else other than the people

Its time to defeat the powers that be - by adopting communisim!

FYI....It was "the powers that be" who created communism.

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no sry they created the falsities to which many believe is communism.in all actuality their versions completely undermine the true idea of communism which mind you has never really been practiced except for the first years of the ussr but then stalin came in and ruined it all by trying to force capitalism into the equation.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by consciencious observer]

Originally posted by consciencious observer
why even bother having a monetary system it is just one more thing to be controlled to benefit someone else other than the people

Well how are you going to buy anything if there is no money.

Second line

Communism, as stated, hasn't really been tried. The exception being some movements in the 60's. It doesn't work because of human nature. You take 100 people and parcel off pieces of property for them, eventually some will come by and offer their guidance for working their land for them. After a time you have a ruling elite. The person doesn't care. Their making their per diem.

The same can be said for anarchy. People confuse this with "anything goes". It doesn't. Anarchy, in it's true sense, means that there is personal responsibility to go along with the freedom. Again human nature comes into play. We, as a species, are too lazy for these ideologies.

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have you not read anything i have said as long as you stay in school and receive good grades you will be able to pick from a catalog anything that you might want as long as it is within your means and once you are of age to work(16) or younger if they really want to but certain limitations will be in place as is now. anyways once they start working and going to school they will be able to choose a vehicle and ya know party or watev for entertainment and once you graduate high school ( which is specialized to fit the career path that you choose) you either have the choice of getting into your career path right away which will allow you to obtain a house and start on a family or you can continue your education in specialized universities and continue to live with the rents or live on campus once graduated from there you get into your career path get a house, start a family and never have to worry about job security or if you will be able to cover all the taxes and loans that you are forced to pay with the current system

Originally posted by consciencious observer
reply to post by justsomeboreddude

 

have you not read anything i have said as long as you stay in school and receive good grades you will be able to pick from a catalog anything that you might want as long as it is within your means and once you are of age to work(16) or younger if they really want to but certain limitations will be in place as is now. anyways once they start working and going to school they will be able to choose a vehicle and ya know party or watev for entertainment and once you graduate high school ( which is specialized to fit the career path that you choose) you either have the choice of getting into your career path right away which will allow you to obtain a house and start on a family or you can continue your education in specialized universities and continue to live with the rents or live on campus once graduated from there you get into your career path get a house, start a family and never have to worry about job security or if you will be able to cover all the taxes and loans that you are forced to pay with the current system

Sorry, I thought you were joking. So basically you get to choose anything you want from a catalog and you dont have to pay for it because everything is free? So can you get as many as you want of anything you want? Like if I want 600 boxes of oreo's and 1 hundred gallons of milk, they would just ship it to me? So its like a catalog? I dont even have to get off of my fat butt, because they deliver? Do I get to stay in school as long as I want as long as I get good grades? Do I get to pick any job I want? Like if I am pretty good on the guitar and I can sing I get to be a Rock Star? This is starting to sound good. Do I get to pick a woman from a catalog too?

I am signing up. I would party my butt right off. Knock up a bunch of women. Why not, the government is going to take care of them anyway. So are we going to communize drugs too? So I can just catalog up me some weed and coc aine? This is perfect, I could kinda go Leavin' Las Vegas on everybody. No bills. Work a few hours a day. Party like a Rock Star.

I have a really great mental picture of you right now.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Have any of you pro-communist folk ever spent time with anyone who spent their life in a unionized job? It is a sad sight. When I was first out of college I worked in a paper mill. All the hourly guys were union workers. They just sat there all day and tried to do as little as possible. Their greatest ambition in life was to see who could pull the best prank on the other one or who could look toughest by refusing to do any work with the wonderful saying "it isnt part of my job description." They never really matured past the age they were when they were hired. So it was like a bunch of 40 year old men acting like they were still in high school.

Now they were all paid very well. Most people in my town would have killed to work there. But I must say it was a sad day when a company bought out the mill and kicked out the union. They all had to go through rehiring to get back on at the mill. Now there was no union, and they only hired like half of them back and that half did the same amount of production. Real life came and gave them a rude awakening.

My point is that this is how I imagine a communist society. Can someone point out to me how you would avoid the scenario of a bunch of immature humans who were lazy because everything was handed to them?

[edit on 5-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

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and this is why true free thinking is always shut down because there always someone out there willing to make a mockery of only parts of the most logical solution that is suggested i said everything will be provided within your means as long as you make the effort to better yourself and when did i ever say you can have everything you want. i said you have choices in this catalog not the option of having everything. and the more work you do the more you will be rewarded but with a limit of course example


Joe starts school as child has the choice of wat style of clothes he wants to wear and wat kind of bycycle or other form of transportation that is for children. some sort of game system of their choice well honestly with the direction the industry is going all games will be played on computers sooner or later so they will have access to age appropriate games to keep life fun and access to any sort of actual recreational activities of course. physical fitness i hope will be a big part of the process. food of course is still provided by the parents and is not apart of the rewards system but simply understood as a necessity for all and thus will be provided for all and instead of being rationed with the bare minimum you will have the choice to choose wat you would like to eat as long as it is within possible guidelines set by the unanimous voting system and based on statistical studies done on average family consumption. then each year as long as joe keeps on going to school and getting good grades he can get new clothes to replace the old ones, new games, the ability to upgrade their bikes or watever they have and so on and so forth once they get to sixteen they can start a part time job which will give them vehicle rewards and "partying rewards" ( you know like going to the movies or maybe and occasional drinking/smoking pass(yes i for one am for the recreational use of marijuana if that is really a shocker to anyone but this of course would also be regulated if marijuana were introduced into the system as a legal narcotic( i mean honestly if pot were never put on the black market i "high"ly doubt anybody would have ever died because of the illegal distribution of the product( the simple fact that use of alcohol is 100 times more dangerous than simply lighting a doob after a long day at work makes me honestly want to say that alcohol should be the illegal substance and if pot were regulated as alcohol is then i ask why the hell not)that can be asked for by the individual but only allowed to be used every so often which should once again be decided by and analysis and voting do you get the idea yet if not ill explain the rest

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and also just to clear the problem about lazy people those that do not decide to work or go to school will be given just the bare minimum just enough to keep them as healthy as any other person but that is it they will be allowed three hots and a cot nothing more nothing less until they decide they want to work

reply to post by consciencious observer


Yeah I get idea just perfect. My whole life is going to be controlled by the voting of a bunch of other people. That and I would spend my whole damn life voting for petty things, like what kind of bike is approved for little Johnny down the street. I wont even have time to work. Because I will have to spend like 80 hours a week researching bikes.

So who is going to decide what is fashionable to wear? Is our community going to get a Vera Wang catalog, a Ralph Lauren catalog, and some Old Navy catalogs then we pour through them and decide what we all decide to vote on. What if I get a bunch of smart butts like me together and we decide to out vote everyone and then everyone has to wear a pumpkin costume for the next year?

As far as drugs go I agree that they should be legalized. There would be way less killing and people going to jail if they were. To be honest, I dont even do drugs, but I see the parallels to what is going on now and what went on during prohibition. I would go as far as to say we should just put 55 gallon drums of coc aine (crack and otherwise), heroin, and meth on every street corner and just let those who want to use go at it. It will thin the herd a bit and keep them all stoned enough so they dont produce any more crack babies.

Originally posted by consciencious observer
reply to post by justsomeboreddude

 

and also just to clear the problem about lazy people those that do not decide to work or go to school will be given just the bare minimum just enough to keep them as healthy as any other person but that is it they will be allowed three hots and a cot nothing more nothing less until they decide they want to work

But who decides what is an acceptable level of work? You know people can have a job and not do a lot of work while they are there. I mean if we are all voting for the outcome together its not going to take long to figure out if we set the bar real low we can just chill a bit. Or is the Supreme Founder going to decide how much we work?

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that is the beautiful thing about how commercialism is already set up just take out money and there you go it all fits perfectly you still have the ability to allow free thinking and trends to flow each.. company puts their products in the catalog and people choose the ones they like better here is your competition that you say none of us can live without.


i believe your idea for distribution is ingenious but at the same time hysterical it actually made chuckle a bit

I have a child who when she was five years old was collecting sand dollars on the beach with me.
A little boy saw our sea shells and was anxious to find some himself.
The tide had turned however and he would not have found any sand dollars.
My little girl said 'daddy can I give him some?'
'Of course' says I.
So my precious little girl ran like the wind down the beach and placed these objects where he would find them.

that is true humanity-communism-Christianity....