Its time to defeat the powers that be - by adopting communisim!

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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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So under communism no one is going to cheat on their wife or beat their kids or steal something from someone else EVER AGAIN?




posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by LeoPardus70
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Talking about evil? That's like talking about the vast majority of the human race. Humans feed on evil. I've seen a man get shot in the head for a buck fifty. That's what he had in his pocket. This was in California. Now I'm in a country where 70% of the people are below the age of 30. Why do you think that is? It's a population of 83 million people.
I hate history. Books of lies to make the bankers actions seem less criminal and monstrous.
In school I keep hearing about what a monster Hitler was but I never heard anything about Stalin. Why? Stalin killed 4x more people than Hitler.
Money.... If you have it, you can tell your story.
That's why nobody in the States knows about the deaths in Vietnam after the war. The US starved most of the country to death. North and South.
Yeah, Evil sh-t man.

no sry only the evil humans feed on evil and i would like to believe there are far more enlightened people on this planet than evil. and money hs nothing to do with wat is being tought in our schools it has everything to do with the evil people in power choosing wat they want you to hear. but thank god for freedom of information but how much longer will that last not much longer if the nwo has any say so.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 02:36 PM
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There are more good people than bad people but it only takes a small percentage of bad to create havoc, especially in a world where you have taken away everyones defenses.

I cant really say that I believe that there are evil people. There are just people willing to go to extremes that we would not to achieve their goals.


[edit on 5-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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Lots of love back to you man and you do put up a good fight but I still think advancements in human society are still brought about not because of competition through capitalism but by first of scientists who have a genuine interest in taking their science to the next level - when I went to university some of the brightest guys I know took Phd's at crap money as they were more interested in the science then the cash rewards - if something profitable comes out of it for them thats just a bonus.

Also, most of the advances of the 20th century came out of war - especially WWII and the cold war.

As for Leo - I agree both Stalin and Mao were monsters and perhaps even more evil then Hitler if there is a scale of such things



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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So under communism no one is going to cheat on their wife or beat their kids or steal something from someone else EVER AGAIN?

im not sayin it wont happen in the beginning but throughout generations of this truly enlightened era those sorts of tendencies should be weeded out as long as the people want to stay on this path

but i really dont see this happening i mean who wants to knowingly destroy anything except for those that have had to deal with destruction and despair most of there lives but even many would rather get out of the problem than make it worse. and these people should be given another chance to actually do something good with their lives with a system that strives for self betterment and teaches staying on the right path instead of giving them a second chance in system that is just going to shoot them right back down maybe even farther than they were before



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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There are more good people than bad people but it only takes a small percentage of bad to create havoc, especially in a world where you have taken away everyones defenses.

I cant really say that I believe that there are evil people. There are just people willing to go to extremes that we would not to achieve their goals.


[edit on 5-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

not with communism.. with communism that small percentage has no power.. unless they were to somehow persuade everysingle person on this planet to believe that they know what they are talking about and how does communism make people defenseless if anything you would be giving mankind its greatest defense the power of free thinking and the power to use that thinking to actually accomplish something instead of just being able to talk about it and see no results.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Ok I see your point about the scientists .. kinda.

But on the other hand War is the perfect example of advancement through competition. War is the ultimate competition of survival.

Now I gotta go and change my oil.. because the government wont do it for me.....YET



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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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I have some small knowledge of the beginnings of the first Communist State because my Great Uncle North Winship was U.S. Consul from 1914 through 1917 to Russia. When on October 27, 1917 the city of Petrograd fell to the Bolsheviks, Uncle Winship was snuck out of the city in the trunk of a Mercedes. I have some of his pictures and a copy of my Uncle’s hand written diary of the events before and after. Indeed, his picture still hangs in the visa application room at the U.S. Consulate in St. Petersburg (Petrograd).

To Count 66 & consciencious observer

In claiming that pure communism has never been tried, you are incorrect, as communism is a rip off of the system instituted by the Apostles for the Church. In Karl Marx’s newspaper Neue Rheinische Zeitung, a whole series was dedicated to the ‘Age of Reason’s adaptation of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” directly from the “Sermon on the Mount” by removing the “bourgeoisie concept of God" with the class struggle concept of proletariat against the bourgeoisie. Frederick Engels wrote extensively on the concept of ‘God' being a means of “bourgeois society halting the proletariat’s class struggle” against them. He also noted that ANY notion of a God must be removed by whatever means from the minds of men. The system could not survive with any loyalty except to the state. You see such blind hatred and anti- Christian hysteria in many of the post of this thread.

What this means is that PURE COMMUNISM has been tried and worked as recorded in Acts of the Apostles. This system could never work when obedience to the Lord is removed and replaced with obedience to the state. Furthermore, ALL that made God’s communism work was based on God’s kind of unconditional love, something that a man made system will never inspire.

Lastly, IF we restore PURE constitutional government, abolishment of the IRS and the tax code would follow. Income taxes are UNCONSTITUTIONAL, the very reason the 16th Amendment WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY RATIFIED and is why every time someone has demanded to be shown the LAW THAT REQUIRES A CITIZEN PAY TAXES IN COURT, THE COURT IS FORCED TO THROW OUT THE CHARGES. How can you be found guilty of not paying something that there is no law REQUIRING you to pay? The system is able to enslave the sheeple because the sheeple do not even know their rights, or what the law really is.


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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by SGTChas
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I have some small knowledge of the beginnings of the first Communist State because my Great Uncle North Winship was U.S. Consul from 1914 through 1917 to Russia. When on October 27, 1917 the city of Petrograd fell to the Bolsheviks, Uncle Winship was snuck out of the city in the trunk of a Mercedes. I have some of his pictures and a copy of my Uncle’s hand written diary of the events before and after. Indeed, his picture still hangs in the visa application room at the U.S. Consulate in St. Petersburg (Petrograd).

To Count 66 & consciencious observer

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"What this means is that PURE COMMUNISM has been tried and worked as recorded in Acts of the Apostles. This system could never work when obedience to the Lord is removed and replaced with obedience to the state. Furthermore, ALL that made God’s communism work was based on God’s kind of unconditional love, something that a man made system will never inspire. "



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so why not go back to this system but instead of doing it in the name of god just do it because it is the right thing to do and it will ensure that tomorrow will only be a better and brighter day



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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we as man are only wat we make ourselves out to be. were native americans not human but still understood that money was not needed for survival and that they were far better off without and instead took full advantage of the land given to them by nature and shared with their fellow man



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 03:36 PM
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I answerd this already: "This system could never work when obedience to the Lord is removed and replaced with obedience to the state. Furthermore, ALL that made God’s communism work was based on God’s kind of unconditional love, something that a man made system will never inspire."



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by SGTChas
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I answerd this already: "This system could never work when obedience to the Lord is removed and replaced with obedience to the state. Furthermore, ALL that made God’s communism work was based on God’s kind of unconditional love, something that a man made system will never inspire."



ok wat happens wen there is no state to give obedience to. morals and moral obligation are the only things we should have to stay obedient to
and why not being the ones that were supposedly created unconditionally why not feel an unconditional love for one another and once again y cant any of you grow up and realize there is more to life than dying and paying taxes



and you have contradicted yourself by saying that you see that taxes are a load of bull( hopefully you see all the other bull that is floating around)and just another creation by evil to beget evil.


we can all also agree that communism is a wonderful thing on paper but wont work well instead of spouting the same reasons why it wont work. why not instead be apart of the solution. if you want to try and dispute the fact that if you are not part of the solution you are a part of the problem then please my guest



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 03:49 PM
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If Karl Marx is the founder of " true communism", let's look at what Marx himself said in 1867. "Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credit, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of the banks, which will have to be nationalized. The State will then have to step in to save the banks which will eventually lead to communism."

My oh my! Was Marx also a prophet? Forget ADOPT communism, as evidenced above, we are already there!! So how is our new communism working out so far?

[edit on 5-4-2009 by paxnatus]



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by paxnatus
If Karl Marx is the founder of " true communism", let's look at what Marx himself said in 1867. "Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credit, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of the banks, which will have to be nationalized. The State will then have to step in to save the banks which will eventually lead to communism."

My oh my! Was Marx also a prophet? Forget ADOPT communism, as evidenced above, we are already there!! So how is our new communism working out so far?

[edit on 5-4-2009 by paxnatus]

no we are not there obviously. if we were there would be no point for this discussion because everybody would be happy. what you fail to see is we are still in the phase of trying to save the idea of money by creating more of the abomination... which the people will get tired of( which is wat is happening) and then decide that they want take control of their own destiny instead of being told they cant or they have to take out a loan first. by the people taking back rightful control of the planet and our place in the cosmos. well wen this happens this is wen you can honestly state true communism as been established



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Unfortunately you are leaving out the consequences of what he said would follow that -

Which is the withering away of the state and the evolution of a new system where workers kept the wealth they generated and worked for a society that benefited all.

Part of my epiphany when I read the communist manifesto was some of what you quoted as he predicted many of the events that capitalism would bring about as it was a flawed system, e.g. the overproduction of goods to sell to masses bringing about a boom and when the market became saturated production would fall back bring about the bust - the inevitable cycle which we are again seeing today - this time it was the over production of debt which caused the problem.

Marx said the next logical step in evolution was communism - unfortunately that step has not being followed.

So in a way Marx was a prophet as he foretold many of the events that capitalism has brought about.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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I was born in DDR, hope that answer you question.

I have seen capitalism destroying well formed firms all over here. It also has destroyed the society, which IMO was a very good one. (except those people in the STASI, of course)

It was in the 80-90th when the real communism idea was in most heads. Kids were kinda drilled to this believes and i must say it was a very good childhood. For me it was a pleasure to be one of those kids. Proud of my country i was born in and i still am to have lived there. The society and family life was great. Many people were happy with what they had. (Not all of course) Because there are more valuable things like friendship and family.

Later when the wall was down most suffer from less jobs available and less money. Sure there is a lot stuff to spend money on. But without money? ...

DDR was just a little country alongside of hungry money sucker countries around us. Most of the technical stuff we use today was patented in DDR first and was sold to western countries. I have a lot of examples but don't name them here.

The only problem was that people in the DDR were not able to go past the boarders and had not the stuff western countries had. But that's not a problem of communism. That's a problem communism alongside with capitalism money and resource sucker countries.

To be able to adopt a communism country alongside capitalism countries involve hard lines to build around that country. Without them it can't work at all. Communism is a ideology that can't co-exist with capitalism selfish-ness.

I don't wanna say that DDR was communism, it was a socialism country. But what we have learned from marx? Socialism is a transitional period from capitalism (or other forms of economic systems) to socialism to communism.

greetz



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by snidr
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I was born in DDR, hope that answer you question.

I have seen capitalism destroying well formed firms all over here. It also has destroyed the society, which IMO was a very good one. (except those people in the STASI, of course)

It was in the 80-90th when the real communism idea was in most heads. Kids were kinda drilled to this believes and i must say it was a very good childhood. For me it was a pleasure to be one of those kids. Proud of my country i was born in and i still am to have lived there. The society and family life was great. Many people were happy with what they had. (Not all of course) Because there are more valuable things like friendship and family.

Later when the wall was down most suffer from less jobs available and less money. Sure there is a lot stuff to spend money on. But without money? ...

DDR was just a little country alongside of hungry money sucker countries around us. Most of the technical stuff we use today was patented in DDR first and was sold to western countries. I have a lot of examples but don't name them here.

The only problem was that people in the DDR were not able to go past the boarders and had not the stuff western countries had. But that's not a problem of communism. That's a problem communism alongside with capitalism money and resource sucker countries.

To be able to adopt a communism country alongside capitalism countries involve hard lines to build around that country. Without them it can't work at all. Communism is a ideology that can't co-exist with capitalism selfish-ness.

I don't wanna say that DDR was communism, it was a socialism country. But what we have learned from marx? Socialism is a transitional period from capitalism (or other forms of economic systems) to socialism to communism.

greetz


ha proof that an enlightened way of thinking is a better way of thinking



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 04:20 PM
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Oh, so all the problems of the DDR were caused by the evil capitalist countries that surrounded them? You need a heavy dose of reality; it was the handouts and funding from the evil capitalist countries that KEPT socialist nations alive when their production quotas failed. The United States sent millions of metric tons of grain and other food stuffs so the socialist republic peoples did not starve due to their own 'collective' stupidity. WHICH we greedy capitalist were never paid back for. Get a grip!

Further, I have heard the 'we invented every important invention of western civilization' bull before, in the Cafe's of Paris. The French saved the World in both World Wars don't ya know? Just ask them.


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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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the united states as a pseudo peace keeping nation had to provide them food to keep up public appearances but at the same time have you not heard the phrase" you can give a man a fish and feed him for a day but if you were to teach this man to fish well a nation could be fed for eternity." with the hydroponic tech we now have available any country can have as much food as they need regardless of climate and it of course failed because this system can only really work if every region of the earth follows all the ideas of communism.

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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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Ah! but you are assuming that under communism all would share your feelings of what is insane or not. Buy your very reaction, you disprove the ability of true communism to work.

The truth is that you cannot force everyone to think the same way, and to try would result in more violence.

That's the facts.

Communism, if it is every to occur, must happen after the people have become drones and single minded... hey, wasn't that what you wanted to prevent through communism?

Now you can think that we can all live in a happy environment of respect and honor, but there will always be what I call the "sick million". The 1% of society that will go against you, just by their very nature. There's always the "sick million" to everything. The 1% that's for radical position X. They cannot be stopped, and forcing to stop them only makes more attention to them, growing their numbers.





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