Even atheists believe the Lies of Religion!, page 2
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reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 09:08 PM by nixie_nox
reply to post by OldThinker




LOL sorry OT. got distracted.



Lie 1) The Good go to heaven, the bad go to hell.

I don't believe this. Never have. Even when I was a methodist. I don't believe you go to the corner when you are bad. If God is all loving, he doesn't banish someone to an eternity of suffering. Seems silly quite honestly. If there has to be an indeology followed I think the theory where people are removed from God's love, till their soul reaches a point to where they are ready to come home is much more feasible. That really "hell" is being removed from God's love, and is voluntary.
I am a reincarnationist. And you can't learn everything you need in one lifetime. learning patience, love, understanding, empathy, selflessness. It can take quite a few times. The more you learn, the more your soul becomes a part of God/Goddess. Till you become perfect and your soul melds with them. There is not punishment, but you have to stand before them and review your life.The harder your life is, the higher up on the evolutionary soul ladder you are, because it is a more intense lesson you gotta learn. Some reincarnationists theorize that Jesus was someone who did this quickly, and was almost perfect.
You sit with your Deities and your friends and plan your life, to incorporate the incidences that help you achieve your goals.

Lie 2) You can earn God’s favor/salvation with your good works

No. Because people can do good works just to try to earn brownie points so to speak, but with selfish intentions. Like making donations specifically for a tax break. or working at a charity for social status, or to make oneself look good. The heart has to be pure and it has to be selfless, to be legitimately for the welfare of others without expecting anything in return.

Lie 3) Christianity is a bunch of don’ts

I believe that since christianity offers redemption, people use it as a get out of jail free card. I find most christians to be hypocrites, or only christians on sunday. And their beliefs don't work into their everyday life. And they pick and choose what they want to follow. Also see number 2. They use it to control others.

Lie 4) Christianity is a made-up myth
Myth no, religion created by man. Yes. The very basis of christianity is a very good premise to live by. But has been warped and twisted to someone's agenda.

Lie 5) The Church is a building

Depends on the church. I think a "church" can be anywhere. God doesn't need steeples and expensive stained glass. But if those particular followers make them feel better, so be it. There is some beautiful architecture out there. But quite frankly, I think the money should go to the needy. And I don't believe the 10% of someone's hard earned salary should go to maintaining a fancy building.

Lie 6) If you are sincere, that’s all that matters.

Depends on sincere in what. If it is good things, then yes. If all you can do is give a loaf of bread to someone who really needs it, and all you can give is that loaf of bread, that is charity in the most sincere and giving form. YOu have to do it because you want too. Not because religion or belief dictates, only because you as a person want to genuinly help someone.



reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 09:10 PM by cancerian42
reply to post by OldThinker


Umm. After I answer the questions, then it's your turn to respond with a thought-provoking reply. I don't really see the point in this if it's not a game. Is the opening post all you wanted to tell us or not? If not then it's a game-if it is then this thread is pretty boring (no offense to you, but I like games).


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 09:12 PM by OldThinker
reply to post by nixie_nox





life does that to us... no prob...I'll get back to you...in a bit.

OT


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 09:16 PM by OldThinker
Originally posted by cancerian42
reply to
post by OldThinker


Umm. After I answer the questions, then it's your turn to respond with a thought-provoking reply. I don't really see the point in this if it's not a game. Is the opening post all you wanted to tell us or not? If not then it's a game-if it is then this thread is pretty boring (no offense to you, but I like games).



?????


If the thread is boring...there are others out there...

OT

If you can't see the implications of believing the LIES in the OP....I dunno?

OT

PS: But please go ahead and give me your thoughts...and I'll respond...

THIS IS NO GAME to me...and to most...I think...

ETERNITY!

Heaven?

Hell?

etc...

What is MORE important?

Should I take a deep beadth?

OT a bit confused?????


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 09:19 PM by OldThinker
reply to post by nixie_nox




Good, lengthy response...

Here's the crux...do you believe JC is of god?

Was his message for real?

And if 'he is'...could he not preserve his message to men/women/etc...?

Is that too much to ask of him?

OT





reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 09:24 PM by OldThinker
Originally posted by CrlJester
Shouldn't we be questioning the extremists like the Baptist church who is the only church I know of that goes around wishing harm on others. Well I'm sure there are other churches, let me make that correction before anyone whips the Quarn at me. Take a quick look at this!
www.liveleak.com...

Just read some of those signs! This is what make people question religion. Most of the time.



CJ, yes we should!!!

I did review the link...

OT knows many that think that way...

here's the ISSUE!!! They are immature!!!!

Don't give them a second of emotional energy...they do not speak for JC....here, see this 9 min video...this is what JC is about...please look it over and let me know your thoughts, ok?

Here... search.live.com...


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 09:39 PM by OldThinker
reply to post by cancerian42



These statements are lies....that's it...


Lie 1) The Good go to heaven, the bad go to hell.

No, not biblical!


Lie 2) You can earn God’s favor/salvation with your good works

No, not biblical!

Lie 3) Christianity is a bunch of don’ts

No, not biblical!

Lie 4) Christianity is a made-up myth

No, I've got 20 threads addressing this...


Lie 5) The Church is a building

Good, not biblical!


Lie 6) If you are sincere, that’s all that matters


No not biblical...


C, I think you believe MORE of the bible than you ever realized...thoughts?



reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 09:43 PM by cancerian42
reply to post by OldThinker


I said I used to believe some of them, not that I don't believe them now. I don't believe and I don't disbelieve (disbelief is in fact a belief). I have no stance because I believe all things are possible and that includes what is stated in the bible as being true or false.


reply posted on 23-3-2009 @ 09:45 PM by OldThinker
Originally posted by CrlJester


Insightful video, but the care for the poor speech has been the main topic that hit me. Do we help just to feel better about ourselves?

....


Wow!

Sweet!!!
Thank you for taking the 9 minutes to see...I like the bald dudes heart....you?

If you are really interested and have an hour, listen to this sometime...Same guy, very funny...and very challengin as well... link here...see the ITS FRIDAY BUT SUNDAYS COMING streaming one, ok?

www.tonycampolo.org...

a bit on it...
It's Friday, But Sunday's Coming

Description: This message is Tony's trademark. He endeavors to show how surrendering to Christ enables individuals to have their personal, spiritual and psychological needs met. It goes on to point out that being yielded to Christ is to be part of a movement to change the world into the world that ought to be. This sermon picks up on the personal and social dimensions of the gospel



btw, appreciate your time here
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