Originally posted by Fastwalker81
After lock on by the F16s the UFO appeared as a diamond shape on the radar.
Official Radar Image
Thats a HUD image, not a radar image - completely different.
TR-3B nuclear powered flying triangle, page 8
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reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 01:03 PM by VariLex
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A very interesting and thought provoking knowledge that You have, perhaps. Would it be. However Magnetics COULD NOT override Gravity as that would fundamentally deny the 4 basic laws of physics. I do understand that such adaptations are being accepted in certain circles, of the internet intelligence. Your idea of a MFD or "Magnetic Field Disrupter" [sic] should read Disruptor, is nothing more than farcical at best. If Your understanding of this is to be believed - You would be either in the Military (and Sworn to secrecy, by manner of threat of personal death, and family and friend deaths as well) or are a person that has a fabricated educational degree.
In any account - I do appreciate your explanation ( although misguided ) as it is.
In other words, You are close, but "no-Cigar"
VariLex
A very interesting and thought provoking knowledge that You have, perhaps. Would it be. However Magnetics COULD NOT override Gravity as that would fundamentally deny the 4 basic laws of physics. I do understand that such adaptations are being accepted in certain circles, of the internet intelligence. Your idea of a MFD or "Magnetic Field Disrupter" [sic] should read Disruptor, is nothing more than farcical at best. If Your understanding of this is to be believed - You would be either in the Military (and Sworn to secrecy, by manner of threat of personal death, and family and friend deaths as well) or are a person that has a fabricated educational degree.
In any account - I do appreciate your explanation ( although misguided ) as it is.
In other words, You are close, but "no-Cigar"
VariLex
reply posted on 1-3-2009 @ 10:06 AM by kindred
You have to laugh at the egotists who come on ATS thinking they know it all. 
Where does deepwaters claim that this is his theory. He simply points out they are links from other websites. Most of what is said about the TR3B is lifted from Richard Boylans website.
www.drboylan.com...
Where does deepwaters claim that this is his theory. He simply points out they are links from other websites. Most of what is said about the TR3B is lifted from Richard Boylans website.
www.drboylan.com...
reply posted on 10-11-2009 @ 07:04 PM by JohnPhoenix
Here is one explanation on how this craft could work.
Source Link: www.rense.com...
"" Many readers of this list are probably already familiar with Edgar Fouche's description of the USA's Top Secret TR-3B triangular shaped nuclear powered aerospace craft. If not, read about it here: fouchemedia.com...
Mr. Fouche describes the TR-3B's propulsion system as follows:
"A circular, plasma filled accelerator ring called the Magnetic Field Disrupter, surrounds the rotatable crew compartment and is far ahead of any imaginable technology... The plasma, mercury based, is pressurized at 250,000 atmospheres at a temperature of 150 degrees Kelvin, and accelerated to 50,000 rpm to create a super-conductive plasma with the resulting gravity disruption.
The MFD generates a magnetic vortex field, which disrupts or neutralizes the effects of gravity on mass within proximity, by 89 percent...
The current MFD in the TR-3B causes the effect of making the vehicle extremely light, and able to outperform and outmaneuver any craft yet ...My sources say the performance is limited only the stresses that the human pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along with the 89% reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by 89%.
The crew of the TR-3B should be able to comfortable take up to 40Gs... Reduced by 89%, the occupants would feel about 4.2 Gs.
The TR-3Bs propulsion is provided by 3 multimode thrusters mounted at each bottom corner of the triangular platform. The TR-3 is a sub-Mach 9 vehicle until it reaches altitudes above l20,000 feet - then who knows how fast it can go!..."
I was skeptical of Mr. Fouche's claims when I first read them, as I'm sure that many of you are, but I was interested enough to do further research on what happens when you spin a plasma at high speeds in a ring (toroidal) configuration. I came across a physics article (sorry, I can't seem to locate the source right now) that described this exact configuration. The article said that, surprisingly, the charged particles of the plasma don't just spin uniformly around the ring, but they tend to take up a synchronized, tightly pitched, helical (screw thread) motion as they move around the ring. This can be understood in a general way as follows: the charged particles moving around the ring act as a current that in turn sets up a magnetic field around the ring. It is a well-known fact that electrons (or ions) tend to move in a helical fashion around magnetic field lines. Although it is a highly complex interaction, it only requires a small leap of faith to believe that the end result of these interactions between the moving charged particles (current) and associated magnetic fields results in the helical motion described above. In other words, the charged particles end up moving in very much the same pattern as the current on a wire tightly wound around a toroidal core.
I thought that this was an interesting fact, but didn't see how it could possibly relate to antigravity, until I ran across the following article: "Guidelines to Antigravity" by Dr. Robert Forward, written in 1962 (available at: www.whidbey.com...). Dr. Forward's article describes several little known aspects of Einstein's General Relativity Theory that indicate how moving matter can create unusual gravitational effects. When I saw Figure 5 in Dr. Forward's article, the pieces of the puzzle all fell together. I instantly saw how the moving matter pattern that Dr. Forward describes as necessary to generate a gravitational dipole was exactly the same as the plasma ring pattern described in the physics article discussed above! If Fouche's description is even close to correct, then the TR-3B utilizes this little known loophole in General Relativity Theory to create it's antigravity effects! ""
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I asked a serious science forum if they thought this science was sound. I will post their answer when I get it.
[edit on 10-11-2009 by JohnPhoenix]
Source Link: www.rense.com...
"" Many readers of this list are probably already familiar with Edgar Fouche's description of the USA's Top Secret TR-3B triangular shaped nuclear powered aerospace craft. If not, read about it here: fouchemedia.com...
Mr. Fouche describes the TR-3B's propulsion system as follows:
"A circular, plasma filled accelerator ring called the Magnetic Field Disrupter, surrounds the rotatable crew compartment and is far ahead of any imaginable technology... The plasma, mercury based, is pressurized at 250,000 atmospheres at a temperature of 150 degrees Kelvin, and accelerated to 50,000 rpm to create a super-conductive plasma with the resulting gravity disruption.
The MFD generates a magnetic vortex field, which disrupts or neutralizes the effects of gravity on mass within proximity, by 89 percent...
The current MFD in the TR-3B causes the effect of making the vehicle extremely light, and able to outperform and outmaneuver any craft yet ...My sources say the performance is limited only the stresses that the human pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along with the 89% reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by 89%.
The crew of the TR-3B should be able to comfortable take up to 40Gs... Reduced by 89%, the occupants would feel about 4.2 Gs.
The TR-3Bs propulsion is provided by 3 multimode thrusters mounted at each bottom corner of the triangular platform. The TR-3 is a sub-Mach 9 vehicle until it reaches altitudes above l20,000 feet - then who knows how fast it can go!..."
I was skeptical of Mr. Fouche's claims when I first read them, as I'm sure that many of you are, but I was interested enough to do further research on what happens when you spin a plasma at high speeds in a ring (toroidal) configuration. I came across a physics article (sorry, I can't seem to locate the source right now) that described this exact configuration. The article said that, surprisingly, the charged particles of the plasma don't just spin uniformly around the ring, but they tend to take up a synchronized, tightly pitched, helical (screw thread) motion as they move around the ring. This can be understood in a general way as follows: the charged particles moving around the ring act as a current that in turn sets up a magnetic field around the ring. It is a well-known fact that electrons (or ions) tend to move in a helical fashion around magnetic field lines. Although it is a highly complex interaction, it only requires a small leap of faith to believe that the end result of these interactions between the moving charged particles (current) and associated magnetic fields results in the helical motion described above. In other words, the charged particles end up moving in very much the same pattern as the current on a wire tightly wound around a toroidal core.
I thought that this was an interesting fact, but didn't see how it could possibly relate to antigravity, until I ran across the following article: "Guidelines to Antigravity" by Dr. Robert Forward, written in 1962 (available at: www.whidbey.com...). Dr. Forward's article describes several little known aspects of Einstein's General Relativity Theory that indicate how moving matter can create unusual gravitational effects. When I saw Figure 5 in Dr. Forward's article, the pieces of the puzzle all fell together. I instantly saw how the moving matter pattern that Dr. Forward describes as necessary to generate a gravitational dipole was exactly the same as the plasma ring pattern described in the physics article discussed above! If Fouche's description is even close to correct, then the TR-3B utilizes this little known loophole in General Relativity Theory to create it's antigravity effects! ""
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I asked a serious science forum if they thought this science was sound. I will post their answer when I get it.
[edit on 10-11-2009 by JohnPhoenix]
reply posted on 9-12-2009 @ 08:16 PM by bugstomper
reply to post by M43
The TR3B is actually built and functioning, using back-engineered alien technology. However it's not official, and is under the secret government. You have to read many articles, and view many videos before you come to that conclusion. Or you could take my word for it!
The TR3B is actually built and functioning, using back-engineered alien technology. However it's not official, and is under the secret government. You have to read many articles, and view many videos before you come to that conclusion. Or you could take my word for it!
reply posted on 9-12-2009 @ 08:28 PM by JohnPhoenix
I said in a post above that I would post the science forums findings when I got them. The TR-3B is a Hoax!
Or at least the popular paper associated with the craft all over the web is a hoax. This is the paper:
" The TR-3B is Code named Astra. The tactical reconnaissance TR-3B first operational flight was in the early 90s. The triangular shaped nuclear powered aerospace platform was developed under the Top Secret, Aurora Program with SDI and black budget monies. At least 3 of the billion dollar plus TR-3Bs were flying by 1994. The Aurora is the most classified aerospace development program in existence. The TR-3B is the most exotic vehicle created by the Aurora Program. It is funded and operationally tasked by the National Reconnaissance Office, the NSA, and the CIA. The TR-3B flying triangle is not fiction and was built with technology available in the mid 80s. Not every UFO spotted is one of theirs.
The TR-3B vehicles outer coating is reactive to electrical Radar stimulation and can change reflectiveness, radar absorptiveness, and color. This polymer skin, when used in conjunction with the TR-3Bs Electronic Counter Measures and, ECCM, can make the vehicle look like a small aircraft, or a flying cylinder--or even trick radar receivers into falsely detecting a variety of aircraft, no aircraft, or several aircraft at various locations. A circular, plasma filled accelerator ring called the Magnetic Field Disrupter, surrounds the rotatable crew compartment and is far ahead of any imaginable technology.
Sandia and Livermore laboratories developed the reverse engineered MFD technology. The government will go to any lengths to protect this technology. The plasma, mercury based, is pressurized at 250,000 atmospheres at a temperature of 150 degrees Kelvin and accelerated to 50,000 rpm to create a super-conductive plasma with the resulting gravity disruption. The MFD generates a magnetic vortex field, which disrupts or neutralizes the effects of gravity on mass within proximity, by 89 percent. Do not misunderstand. This is not antigravity. Anti-gravity provides a repulsive force that can be used for propulsion. The MFD creates a disruption of the Earth's gravitational field upon the mass within the circular accelerator. The mass of the circular accelerator and all mass within the accelerator, such as the crew capsule, avionics, MFD systems, fuels, crew environmental systems, and the nuclear reactor, are reduced by 89%. This causes the effect of making the vehicle extremely light and able to outperform and outmaneuver any craft yet constructed--except, of course, those UFOs we did not build.
The TR-3B is a high altitude, stealth, reconnaissance platform with an indefinite loiter time. Once you get it up there at speed, it doesnt take much propulsion to maintain altitude. At Groom Lake their have been whispered rumours of a new element that acts as a catalyst to the plasma. With the vehicle mass reduced by 89%, the craft can travel at Mach 9, vertically or horizontally. My sources say the performance is limited only the stresses that the human pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along with the 89% reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by 89%.
The TR-3Bs propulsion is provided by 3 multimode thrusters mounted at each bottom corner of the triangular platform. The TR-3 is a sub-Mach 9 vehicle until it reaches altitudes above l20,000 feet--then God knows how fast it can go! The 3 multimode rocket engines mounted under each corner of the craft use hydrogen or methane and oxygen as a propellent. In a liquid oxygen/hydrogen rocket system, 85% of the propellent mass is oxygen. The nuclear thermal rocket engine uses a hydrogen propellent, augmented with oxygen for additional thrust. The reactor heats the liquid hydrogen and injects liquid oxygen in the supersonic nozzle, so that the hydrogen burns concurrently in the liquid oxygen afterburner. The multimode propulsion system can; operate in the atmosphere, with thrust provided by the nuclear reactor, in the upper atmosphere, with hydrogen propulsion, and in orbit, with the combined hydrogen\ oxygen propulsion.
What you have to remember is, that the 3 rocket engines only have to propel 11 percent of the mass of the Top Secret TR-3B. The engines are reportedly built by Rockwell. Many sightings of triangular UFOs are not alien vehicles but the top secret TR-3B. The NSA, NRO, CIA, and USAF have been playing a shell game with aircraft nomenclature - creating the TR-3, modified to the TR-3A, the TR-3B, and the Teir 2, 3, and 4, with suffixes like Plus or Minus added on to confuse further the fact that each of these designators is a different aircraft and not the same aerospace vehicle. A TR-3B is as different from a TR-3A as a banana is from a grape. Some of these vehicles are manned and others are unmanned. "
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
All of this "science" has been debunked by real science. The paper above is a hoax. None of it is true.
The paper I posted above is also a Hoax
If this craft does exist, the above is NOT the science it is based on.
Here is the full thread: www.scienceforums.net... called, " TR-3B reduces mass ? "
As you can see I tried to do everything I could to get some validity out of this from the scientists.. Nada, nope, Zip.
[edit on 9-12-2009 by JohnPhoenix]
Or at least the popular paper associated with the craft all over the web is a hoax. This is the paper:
" The TR-3B is Code named Astra. The tactical reconnaissance TR-3B first operational flight was in the early 90s. The triangular shaped nuclear powered aerospace platform was developed under the Top Secret, Aurora Program with SDI and black budget monies. At least 3 of the billion dollar plus TR-3Bs were flying by 1994. The Aurora is the most classified aerospace development program in existence. The TR-3B is the most exotic vehicle created by the Aurora Program. It is funded and operationally tasked by the National Reconnaissance Office, the NSA, and the CIA. The TR-3B flying triangle is not fiction and was built with technology available in the mid 80s. Not every UFO spotted is one of theirs.
The TR-3B vehicles outer coating is reactive to electrical Radar stimulation and can change reflectiveness, radar absorptiveness, and color. This polymer skin, when used in conjunction with the TR-3Bs Electronic Counter Measures and, ECCM, can make the vehicle look like a small aircraft, or a flying cylinder--or even trick radar receivers into falsely detecting a variety of aircraft, no aircraft, or several aircraft at various locations. A circular, plasma filled accelerator ring called the Magnetic Field Disrupter, surrounds the rotatable crew compartment and is far ahead of any imaginable technology.
Sandia and Livermore laboratories developed the reverse engineered MFD technology. The government will go to any lengths to protect this technology. The plasma, mercury based, is pressurized at 250,000 atmospheres at a temperature of 150 degrees Kelvin and accelerated to 50,000 rpm to create a super-conductive plasma with the resulting gravity disruption. The MFD generates a magnetic vortex field, which disrupts or neutralizes the effects of gravity on mass within proximity, by 89 percent. Do not misunderstand. This is not antigravity. Anti-gravity provides a repulsive force that can be used for propulsion. The MFD creates a disruption of the Earth's gravitational field upon the mass within the circular accelerator. The mass of the circular accelerator and all mass within the accelerator, such as the crew capsule, avionics, MFD systems, fuels, crew environmental systems, and the nuclear reactor, are reduced by 89%. This causes the effect of making the vehicle extremely light and able to outperform and outmaneuver any craft yet constructed--except, of course, those UFOs we did not build.
The TR-3B is a high altitude, stealth, reconnaissance platform with an indefinite loiter time. Once you get it up there at speed, it doesnt take much propulsion to maintain altitude. At Groom Lake their have been whispered rumours of a new element that acts as a catalyst to the plasma. With the vehicle mass reduced by 89%, the craft can travel at Mach 9, vertically or horizontally. My sources say the performance is limited only the stresses that the human pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along with the 89% reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by 89%.
The TR-3Bs propulsion is provided by 3 multimode thrusters mounted at each bottom corner of the triangular platform. The TR-3 is a sub-Mach 9 vehicle until it reaches altitudes above l20,000 feet--then God knows how fast it can go! The 3 multimode rocket engines mounted under each corner of the craft use hydrogen or methane and oxygen as a propellent. In a liquid oxygen/hydrogen rocket system, 85% of the propellent mass is oxygen. The nuclear thermal rocket engine uses a hydrogen propellent, augmented with oxygen for additional thrust. The reactor heats the liquid hydrogen and injects liquid oxygen in the supersonic nozzle, so that the hydrogen burns concurrently in the liquid oxygen afterburner. The multimode propulsion system can; operate in the atmosphere, with thrust provided by the nuclear reactor, in the upper atmosphere, with hydrogen propulsion, and in orbit, with the combined hydrogen\ oxygen propulsion.
What you have to remember is, that the 3 rocket engines only have to propel 11 percent of the mass of the Top Secret TR-3B. The engines are reportedly built by Rockwell. Many sightings of triangular UFOs are not alien vehicles but the top secret TR-3B. The NSA, NRO, CIA, and USAF have been playing a shell game with aircraft nomenclature - creating the TR-3, modified to the TR-3A, the TR-3B, and the Teir 2, 3, and 4, with suffixes like Plus or Minus added on to confuse further the fact that each of these designators is a different aircraft and not the same aerospace vehicle. A TR-3B is as different from a TR-3A as a banana is from a grape. Some of these vehicles are manned and others are unmanned. "
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
All of this "science" has been debunked by real science. The paper above is a hoax. None of it is true.
The paper I posted above is also a Hoax
If this craft does exist, the above is NOT the science it is based on.
Here is the full thread: www.scienceforums.net... called, " TR-3B reduces mass ? "
As you can see I tried to do everything I could to get some validity out of this from the scientists.. Nada, nope, Zip.
[edit on 9-12-2009 by JohnPhoenix]
reply posted on 9-12-2009 @ 09:46 PM by Larryman
reply to post by JohnPhoenix
I read that thread you linked to. I give you credit for a 'nice try' to get corroboration of the TR-3B science from the scientist. But I do not buy their negative conclusions. I want to see 'proof' that mercury plasma (at what ever temperature and pressure), when accelerated to a high toroidal rotational speed, does not yield mass and gravity reduction in it's center of rotation. All you acquired for your effort was just a bunch of biased 'opinions'.
[edit on 12/9/2009 by Larryman]
I read that thread you linked to. I give you credit for a 'nice try' to get corroboration of the TR-3B science from the scientist. But I do not buy their negative conclusions. I want to see 'proof' that mercury plasma (at what ever temperature and pressure), when accelerated to a high toroidal rotational speed, does not yield mass and gravity reduction in it's center of rotation. All you acquired for your effort was just a bunch of biased 'opinions'.
[edit on 12/9/2009 by Larryman]
reply posted on 9-12-2009 @ 10:07 PM by dereks
Originally posted by Larryman
I want to see 'proof' that mercury plasma (at what ever temperature and pressure), when accelerated to a high toroidal rotational speed, does not yield mass and gravity reduction in it's center of rotation.
If it worked as claimed, why hasnt any UFO believer or scientist, or even you built one, patented it then earnt billions?
Hint - as it does not work, and is not science!
If you want to read about a real nuclear powered rocket have a look at en.wikipedia.org...
and
www.youtube.com...
and
www.merkle.com...
reply posted on 9-12-2009 @ 10:53 PM by JohnPhoenix
reply to post by Larryman
Well, I would like to see that too.. notice the scientist didn't answer some questions like about the mercury being in a plasma state that was below 0 degrees F and was this a type of cold plasma we were talking about.. I do not understand this at all.. and they could not shed light or at least didn't answer that point.
Dereks, in the same vein, science is only a philosophy and one way of looking at a problem. It depends very much on which model you use and how you test and interpret your data. When ever new variables are introduced time and time again, current theories fail to explain certain outcomes. I have a great thread on this same subject here that basically says science is Not set in stone called String Theory - Science or Philosophy ? www.scienceforums.net...
Too many scientist believe their version of science is the truth almost like a religion and here comes along another theory with experiments to back it up that tosses out the old theory no matter how well it's been "proven".
[edit on 9-12-2009 by JohnPhoenix]
Well, I would like to see that too.. notice the scientist didn't answer some questions like about the mercury being in a plasma state that was below 0 degrees F and was this a type of cold plasma we were talking about.. I do not understand this at all.. and they could not shed light or at least didn't answer that point.
Dereks, in the same vein, science is only a philosophy and one way of looking at a problem. It depends very much on which model you use and how you test and interpret your data. When ever new variables are introduced time and time again, current theories fail to explain certain outcomes. I have a great thread on this same subject here that basically says science is Not set in stone called String Theory - Science or Philosophy ? www.scienceforums.net...
Too many scientist believe their version of science is the truth almost like a religion and here comes along another theory with experiments to back it up that tosses out the old theory no matter how well it's been "proven".
[edit on 9-12-2009 by JohnPhoenix]
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