Ghost, that's the same as when I asked, "If Strategic means high flying, would tactical mean that it can fight back?"

Same thing man, o and it's not TR-3, it's TR3-B.

They both serve for the same purpose, are both highly advanced, are both triangular shaped. Ok maybe the TR3-B is made as a test platform, but it still serves for reconaissance.

Just because it has A or B in it, does not mean it has to be the same model.

And! According to your assumption, the TR3-B would not be real, because A comes before B. Which would mean that the Black Manta came before the TR3-B.

Shattered OUT...

Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
Ghost, that's the same as when I asked, "If Strategic means high flying, would tactical mean that it can fight back?"

Same thing man, o and it's not TR-3, it's TR3-B.

They both serve for the same purpose, are both highly advanced, are both triangular shaped. Ok maybe the TR3-B is made as a test platform, but it still serves for reconaissance.

Just because it has A or B in it, does not mean it has to be the same model.

And! According to your assumption, the TR3-B would not be real, because A comes before B. Which would mean that the Black Manta came before the TR3-B.

Shattered OUT...

NO,No! You Missed my Point COMPLETELY! I never said that both of these planes don't exist. They could both be VERY Real for all I know. I am trying to tell you that Both of these planes can NOT be TR-3's. Either the first one is a TR-3 OR the Second one is a TR-3, but NOT both!

Here is an Explaination of the designation system:

Let's use the F-15C Eagle

F = Mission of the aircraft (in this case a fighter)
15 = Model number, this is the 15th fighter design appoved by the Defense Department in the current series
C= The is the third Version of the basic F-15 to be built. It has some diferences from earilyer versions, but it still has the same basic airframe design.

Do you see my point? Look back at my earilier post, you will see that the two aircraft loo competely different!

Tim
ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

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I read an article in a magazine which said the TR3A would not be only the black Manta triangle, but also the name of an anti-gravity american flying saucer (TR3A Sportster). Of course, this information has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Ghost, you missed MY POINT!

MY point is being that it doesn't matter, they can both be TR3's because they are both listed under the same project of development, they have probably been renamed anyways, possibly two completely different things.

O well, I guess we will never know for sure.

Shattered OUT...

I'm not sure if this had been said yet, but there is what some would say to be a TR-3B in Google Earth.

30°30'36.73"S, 115°22'58.00"E

Originally posted by intelgurl
Once again I am skeptical, but I can't reconcile my skepticism with things seen by my eyes. A rather unusual place to be...
[edit on 27-1-2005 by intelgurl]

Welcome to my world. It is like watching a performance of an illusionist who actually can do magic. Is what you are watching them cheating, or reality? Or one wrapped around the other...

I don't know about the specifics laid out by Fouche regarding pressurization, rpm, or whatnot... but like I posted in another thread on this subject the theory is sound. In theory )

Once I'd heard/seen the hubbub about the "Astra" on youtube.com, I decided to do some research so as to make a better opinion on it. Following some of the reported "technologies" presented by folks commenting on the airframe on wikipedia.org led me on an interesting journey of discovery on quantum mechanical theories being proven mathematically (and a few reputed live experiments). The theories behind this aircraft are sound.

Whether they've *actually* got the technologies working is another

If this IS a hoax or 'cover story' it's close enough to burgeoning modern-day physics discoveries to be remotely plausible. Most interesting to me (even more so than the varying characteristics and application of metallic quasicrystals) is the Magnetic Field Disruptor. One paper that I read stated that if you take certain liquid elements and rotate it at a high velocity, it will actually rotate on two axis in a torroidal shape. Meaning- if you rotate a donut shape of a certain element with superconductive capability, it will not only spin centrifugially but it will also rotate uniformly from outside loop to inside loop. They stated that this combination of spin causes a magetogravitic warping that diminishes the effect of gravity across the plane of spin in the center of the torroidal ring due to the characteristics of a superconductor to repulse a magnetic field (persumably Earth's in this example.)
I suppose what they are suggesting is that mercury at X atmospheres of pressure at X degrees Kelvin at Xrpm will generate enough of a magnetogravitic displacement to hoist 4 guys, a nuke reactor, and a big arse airframe with very little additional thrust.

Again, I'll state that I'm not suggesting that this bird is real, but... even a Quantum Mechanics for Dummies course (like I gave myself) is enough to suggest that you need more argument than "It's just not possible" to debunk it.

I 'saw' a tr-3 black manta fly over my home on Long Island in Nov. 1994 around 9 pm heading due south and going out over the ocean.
It was completely black roughly triangular, (pointed nose and lifting body type wind shape).
Completely silent, i only noticed it as its shape passed infront of the stars overhead and obscured them.As i watched i could make out its form,roughly.
I mistook it for a hang glider, but realised it was around 20 degrees out and no one would be that crazy to fly hang glider at night in that weather.
suddenly i noticed 2 florescent, noodle like contrails roll off the trailing edges of each wing,they literely rolled off and kept their noodle like shape spinning as the plane moved away from them.
I then noticed that the wing had begun to crank its shape, like variable wing technology on the f-14. it became more slender as the wings tightened up.
all the while not a single sound. My dad worked for the Airlines so ive always looked up and could generally id almost any air frame, even newer military silhouettes. but this silent black beauty has left me speechless.
from what ive read and seen its a TR-3 Black Manta alright.
Either that or a UFO!

Tesla Research group-Boeing PhantomWorks ~V~ TR-3astra 300ft, TR-3Boomerang 1100ft, looks like the capital letter V, not a triangle, its used as an ARk in worst case comet impact, nuclear winter, etc etc. It returns when planet has stabilized. You can see the TR-3astra on youtube.com in ( ufo over southern illonois)We have just sold 3 of them to Israel, they are mach 20 craft. The New TR-3Chameleon is the most advanced craft ever built by mankind, its a mach-50+ craft, It needs no martin black Radar paint, it has Plasma adaptive camofladge, carries 40 New nuetron Nukes, High energy Solid state Partical Pulse laser's, and extreme high energy scalar wave blasters, making the enemy put their rifles down and walk back home , never knowing just why they do this. An antique like the TR-3astra made all boomer submarines antiques over night. They can go through the heated Ionisphere while HARRP is up and running, ICBMs cant, in the very near future as you see iran blown off the face of this planet, you will see russia meet the same fate at the same time

It would help if you properly quoted, so people had some idea of what you were talking about. And YOU DO NOT HAVE TO YELL either, so take the caps lock off


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If such electromagnetic(/plasma)propulsion technology exist than I'd really like to know WHY it isnt being used as a propulsion technology for Spacecraft?!?!? Advanced Technology developed in secrecy by Goverments can only remain secret for so long...........before it finally sees the light of day. A good example of this is the Stealth technology developed in the early 80s. There is talk about retiring the Space Shuttle fleet in 2011 and if such exotic propulsion technology is sufficient developed as you folks claim there are PLENTY of reasons for employing such technology as a successor to the Space Shuttle as well as unmaned interplanetary probes. Plasma Propulsion does exist but at this time plasma engines Do NOT have enough power to propel a spacecraft into orbit from Earth. If such technology existed it would render rocket motors obsolete. I think it IS highly likely that sometime within the next 30-40 years Electromagnetic Propulsion Tech will be advanced enough to lift a spacecraft into orbit from earth and when it arrives it will DRASTICALLY reduce the cost and improve the efficiency of human space travel.