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Originally posted by Tgautier13
Two words: Dulce Base.
Part of me does want to say the 'clone army' scenario is just a tried and true story arc used in many sci-fi and fantasy plots. Yet another part of me just can't get around the fact that this truly could be happening.
You make wise connections regarding 'hiding the truth in front of our eyes'... leaking black project information to the public via mass media outlets. It definitely makes it easier to cover up clandestine operations and tying them in with 'nut-case' conspiracy theorists. "Oh whatever, you just watch to much Stargate SG-1, there's nothing wrong with the Bermuda Trian...." *WHOOSH*
The truth is we cannot know for sure at this time, so it is neither true nor false. It is definitely NOT out of the question though.
Originally posted by Tgautier13
Two words: Dulce Base.
Originally posted by TheRealDonPedros
And to the poster above, yes its science fiction. The thing about science fiction is that it always has a way of becoming science fact.
It's important to have individuals who don't accept any "Out There" ideas. They are the concrete of "the box".
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by TheRealDonPedros
And to the poster above, yes its science fiction. The thing about science fiction is that it always has a way of becoming science fact.
It's important to have individuals who don't accept any "Out There" ideas. They are the concrete of "the box".
It is not about accepting "out there" ideas, but rather whether those ideas make sense or not. The OPs idea does not. In every single case, neither the Orcs, Clone Troopers or Agent Smith were created for the goals the OP claims we are being prepared for and to accept. And in every single case, whatever the goals the above-mentioned were created for, they ultimately fail. Further, if the powers-that-be are planning this, why would they show their hand by leaking it through various media, risking someone connecting the dots and alerting the world? If these are super-soldiers superior in every way compared to normal humans, why would they even need to condition us to accept them, accept our destruction, when there would be little to nothing we could do about it?
And I'd like to know where Chris Carter said he talked to the CIA to get his ideas.
[edit on 16-2-2009 by SaviorComplex]
Originally posted by prevenge
their purpose.. is to destroy billions of lives.. and then themselves be destroyed.. thus uniting the populace under a conformed and united cause... in whatever newly created statehood that is needed for..
Originally posted by prevenge
what matters is that people become accustomed to the idea of the concept of a massive force of super soldiers... that enforce complete rule.
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by prevenge
their purpose.. is to destroy billions of lives.. and then themselves be destroyed.. thus uniting the populace under a conformed and united cause... in whatever newly created statehood that is needed for..
In every case, in your examples, that does not happen. When these threats are defeated it is by virtue of the powers that control them being defeated. We never see the power that controls them exterminating the super-soldier after their purpose has been fulfilled.
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by prevenge
what matters is that people become accustomed to the idea of the concept of a massive force of super soldiers... that enforce complete rule.
That would make sense if these super-soldiers in the examples you use were portrayed as good. However, they are always a threat to the protagonist, a tool of the powers the hero struggles against. How is showing them as evil supposed to condition us to accept them?
Originally posted by prevenge
in the star wars saga the clone troopers are used to band the outnumbered republic forces against he droid (mechanical) armies..
then they turn on them and become the force of what you term as "evil".. the "bad guys"..eventually at the end of ths starwars final battle the storm troopers are anhiilated and outlawed..
Originally posted by prevenge
in the matrix.. agent smith and his army are destroyed..
only after showing us that the protagonist can defeat him through injecting himself INTO them.. destroying them from the inside..
Originally posted by prevenge
i'm saying that the "clone force" WOULD be an IDEAL force to oppose the people of earth and force them to unite and renounce their differences.. to fight as one.. under one banner.. to defeat this "tool" this "opposition" from outer space.
Originally posted by prevenge
...to reduce the populace to a more manageable level.. through the "theater" of a war controlled on both sides...
Originally posted by prevenge
if DARPA hasn't thought up an equivalent scenario to green lantern's ring.. or if the DoD has been shown such technology.. and waved it away as something they "didn't see a need for" then i'll eat my holographic green shoe...
Originally posted by prevenge
it's the major feature of the most popular books and movies of all time.
Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Originally posted by Tgautier13
Two words: Dulce Base.
Two words: Science Fiction.
'Nuff Said.
Originally Posted by merka
You know, you could have shortened the argument considerably by scrapping orcs, clonetroopers and agent smith. There is one group that does exactly what is specified.
Space Marines.
Warhammer 40K universe, a group of genetically engineered super soldiers.
Will this be reality one day? Yes, I actually think it will. And if they're half as cool and fanatic as the Space Marines, they're gonna pwn all opposition
Originally posted by Tgautier13
Also... you guys understand you're arguing over the details of what fictional cloned armies' purposes were in their respective films? Am I the only one who sees this?
Originally posted by Gazrok
Why go into the expense, time, and unknowns of human cloning, when you could simply institute breeding an army and then arming them with superior weapons and equipment?