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Originally posted by justamomma[/]
Here is a great summery a good friend of mine posted up.. he says it much better than I could:
"Yes, there was something Jesus did, which I wish he had not done, because it does not represent well the People he belonged to.
Once a Gentile Canaanite mother was crying after him, asking for her daughter to be cured, and Jesus would not give a damn to her. His disciples told him to do something for that woman or discard her, because she was making them go crazy with her no-stop crying.
What did Jesus say? I haven't come for Gentiles but ONLY for the House of Israel. Then, kept on going and the woman kept on crying and following him.
When he couldn't take any longer, he stopped and told her: Hey, listen, what do you want from me? To cure my daughter Master. No way, I cannot take of the food of the children and throw it unto the dogs.
He meant the Jews for the children, and the Gentiles for the dogs. But only after the woman understood and recognized her condition of dog, by saying that the dogs also feed from the crumbles that fall from the table of the children, Jesus saw that he would never get rid of that woman. So, he changed his mind and cured her
daughter. Then, to erase a little the impression left on her for being forced to recognize her doggy condition, he mentioned something about her strong faith and left.
That was terrible, if we can imagine what that poor woman went through till she got
what she wanted. The text is in Matthew 15:21-28."
So, you tell me.... does that show humanity how to love each other?
I think as long as violence is not condoned it is valid to criticize christianity as it is any religion. Now christianity has many branches so a criticism of one branch say for example right wing fundamentalists, may be in direct opposition to the philosophies they are sprouting based on biblical introspection. Remember Hitler was a christian when he began and the popes that burnt all those people during the "dark ages" were Christian and Koresh was a Christian. So being a Christian does not afford you the right to relinquish your responsibilities and you are therefore may have your philosophies criticized just like any one else.
Originally posted by SumnerKagan
Before I begin tearing holes in posters and their posts, I thought I would ask this question of the site members.
Why is it happening, and why is it ok?
First of all, IF there are threads out there, that are attacking other religions, I wasn't able to find them. So, at the very least, Christianity seems to be assaulted more than any other belief system on this site.
Second, why is this happening? Why are there so many people bent on the downfall of Christianity? All religions have components that are debatable. All religions have histories that are less than pristine. At one time or another all religions have been twisted by men, used for personal gain, and have been responsible for much human suffering. But, on the other hand, few have done as much good as Christianity. Definitely a double-edged sword.
Finally, why is it condoned on this site? As I write this, I look at the top of the page, and see the title of Springer's thread- The Issue of "Hate Speech" on AboveTopSecret.com.
Now, I understand that "debunking" may not be considered flat-out "Hate Speech". But, the Springer's thread, he does also point out the more subtle forms of "hating", where little hints, buzzwords, articles and target news articles are used to influence and "steer" views in a negative manner. I relate this activity to the activity targeted by springer, as per the following:
We have seen an increase in hate speech couched in "news articles", subtle innuendo hidden behind professed disagreement with government policies and blatant, outright ignorance spewed forth for all to see.
The most sickening examples of this are seen when certain individuals appear to be joining in the chorus of protest against the evil that men do only to spread their own hate to the unsuspecting by introducing it a little at a time and couching it in the buzz words and rally cries of the day.
I am, by no means, a hard core "Christian". But, I have encountered friction from ATS staff before, for counter-attacking rude site members, "haters", people with obviously negative agendas, and others that seem to be given free run by staff to attack and bully. And, I am sure I will encounter the same friction here.
Whatever the result, I am stating right here, right now, that it bothers me that every time I come to this site and check out recent posts, there are usually multiple posts that are directed, in one way or another, at bringing down everything from the wording of the Bible, to the existence of Jesus, and anything in-between.
To me, it's more annoying than anything else. But, it just doesn't sit well with me, that this is totally off-leash, and in my opinion, practically encouraged by it's blatant lack of restraint or monitoring by ATS staff. Glaringly so in the shadow of all the other attempts that are made to protect and cushion the feelings of other groups of site members.
That being said... fire when ready!
Originally posted by VelmaLu
^^^^ This is exactly my point.
Proselytizing at every opportunity.
Originally posted by VelmaLu
It's not appropriate in the workplace, in social settings or when discussing political matters. It's really not an appropriate topic with non-believers unless they bring it up to you. Yet, this little nugget seems to escape so many Christians. Many Christians will continue on with their behavior even when they have knowledge that their behavior is offensive to others.
So do us all a favor, do the planet a favor and reel in your belief system before we're out of all our resources. While YOU may believe that God will zap more oil into the ground, the rest of us do not. While YOU may believe that we should continue to go forth and multiply, some of us do not want to see millions of people suffer and die. While YOU look forward to the end of the world, some us to not see it as a rapture.
God isn't fact, it's a belief based on nothing more than a good feeling you get. I urge you to start relying more on logic and reasoning. . . before it's too late for all of us.
Originally posted by spellbound
reply to post by SumnerKagan
I totally agree. Every time I have proclaimed Jesus I have had a rush of denial etc etc etc. plus prove it prove it prove it. You just have to BELIEVE.
OK, IT IS TIME TO TAKE JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOUR!!!
OK, sit back and wait for the crap - Jesus certainly did just that.
I am telling you that Jesus is our Saviour.
I am just about giving up on this now, except Jesus taught us to never give up.