Reeling, the GOP Turns to Joe the Plumber for Advice, page 1
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Topic started on 5-2-2009 @ 08:17 AM by Benevolent Heretic
The GOP, desperate to reconnect with the "common man", invited Joe the Plumber to speak to them at a closed door breakfast this week... What? Was Rush Limbaugh busy? Did Sarah Palin have important business in Alaska?

Story


Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher chatted up GOP congressional staffers this week at a breakfast in Washington, telling them: "It's not politically incorrect to say you're Republican or conservative. They need to dig their heels in and fight for what needs to be done."

Joe wants to kill the stimulus package because it's an example of "American government ... kicking our butts left and right."

Does he have political aspirations? "I don't know if the American public deserve me," he said.


Trust me. Joe, the public deserves at least you...

Additional links:
Joe the Plumber, GOP Consultant
What Would Joe Do?

Crazy, crazy...


reply posted on 5-2-2009 @ 08:37 AM by loam
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



I hardly think there is much there, there in this story.

JTP wasn't advising the GOP as the story incorrectly states. Rather, he met with the Conservative Working Group, "which is an invitation-only meeting of key conservative lobbyists and political staffers who meet most Tuesday's to plan their strategy in the U.S. Senate."

This group is such an important arm of the GOP, that I could only find (after eliminating the hundreds of dramatizing Plumber stories ) the single SourceWatch reference quoted above when conducting a Google search.

Moreover, imagine that... Lobbyists and staffers meeting with citizens they supposedly serve...



Must be a slow news day...



[edit on 5-2-2009 by loam]



reply posted on 5-2-2009 @ 10:06 AM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by thisguyrighthere



I think that's the first post of yours that I've ever agreed 100% with. starred.

It would be wonderful if the Republican party could return to the real conservative values. I might even become a member.

Joe is an idiot. There's no doubt about that. I only hope the GOP works through their issues in the next 4 years and comes out of it with someone other than Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and JT Plumber as their "leaders". Because frankly, the 3 of them are pathetic, big government losers.

Loam, JT was invited to give the talk at the event and he DID advise them.


reply posted on 5-2-2009 @ 10:10 AM by Open_Minded Skeptic
reply to post by thisguyrighthere



Gotta say, Yup. True conservatism has been totally hijacked by extremists, in much the same way true Islam and true Christianity have been.

Sadly (or not), I think the verdict is already in on "Joe" vis a vis "idiot". And most of the Republican party follows suit, and that toad limbaugh.

And it is the same on the "other" side, as well, I fear... true liberal ideals have been usurped by also extremists...

Yay for us the US...

[edit on 5-2-2009 by Open_Minded Skeptic]


reply posted on 5-2-2009 @ 07:43 PM by loam
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Loam, JT was invited to give the talk at the event and he DID advise them.


"Them" who?

What "event"?

"Advise"? Really?

Your source says Wurzelbacher was "advising the GOP", when in actuality he was just "joining" a breakfast meeting attended by a few congressional aids and lobbyists.

That is a far cry from "advising" the "GOP" now, isn't it?

Frankly. I'm confused by the apparent desire of so many to create a 'desperation' story out of these simple events.

And whatever you think about JTP's political positions, I'm particularly disturbed that an ordinary citizen's desire to participate in the political process can be so easily ridiculed. That is the tone in nearly every article that discusses this simple breakfast and I can't help but wonder why?

So I see this story as a dishonest representation of the truth and elitist for manufacturing its point at the expense of an ordinary citizen.

Sorry, but I think that's just wrong.

So much for change.

[edit on 6-2-2009 by loam]


reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 08:22 AM by loam
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



You really know how to play obtuse with your responses, don't you?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
He gave "a talk". He didn't simply attend. And yes, he gave them advice. He advised them.

...

Whatever problems or opinions you have with this story are yours and you're entitled to them. But it is not dishonest. There are many sources that support the facts here.


No, there aren't.

The facts are, as first reported by Politico, the following:



If nothing else, GOP aides are using the appearance to get staffers to attend the 9 a.m meeting.

“In case you weren’t planning to attend CWG tomorrow morning, you might want to reconsider because Joe the Plumber will be joining us!” Kimberly Wallner, an aide to South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint, wrote in a message to her e-mail list this afternoon.



What is in bold are the only facts you have. No indication that his level of participation was intended to 'advise the GOP' as your thread and the myriad of Gerber food regurgitation articles expressly mischaracterize.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Exactly, it was a SIMPLE event.

It's not a big deal. It's a light story about people in politics.

...

I think you're taking it a little too seriously.


Then why are you creating a thread about it by perpetuating the lie that this is evidence of the GOP's desperation simply because of a citizen's participation in a routine low-level political breakfast meeting in Washington?

Couldn't you find better evidence than this to make such a point? Or is it just easier to ridicule an ordinary citizen's participation in the political process whose opinions you happen to disagree with?


Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Everyone knows the GOP is having some trouble after the recent election, getting their footing. Some strange things are happening in the party and I wouldn't be surprised if it split into two parties, which would be the best thing for this country.

The GOP needs to return to its conservative roots or else fall apart.


None of which really has much to do with THIS story, now does it?

It seems to me there would be much better evidence of those points than the pathetic attempt made by your source article and this thread.

Whatever happened to denying ignorance?

Think about how you positioned this simple occurance:

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

"Reeling, the GOP Turns to Joe the Plumber for Advice"

"The GOP, desperate to reconnect with the "common man", invited Joe the Plumber"

"Joe is an idiot. There's no doubt about that."



You're certainly entitled to your opinion about JTP, but the "facts" are a far cry from what you have done here in this thread.


[edit on 6-2-2009 by loam]


reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 09:21 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Loam, you're just going to have to find a way to deal with it. I'm not going to be dragged into this again with you.

Moving along.

Seems "Just Joe" is coming to Conservative Internet TV.

Conservative Internet TV Brings Joe the Plumber to D.C.


To kick it off, Joe is in Washington, D.C. this week to help cover the U.S. financial crisis and the proposed stimulus package. Wurzelbacher will also be participating at the inaugural Conservatism 2.0 conference (sponsored by PJTV) and held jointly with CPAC 2009 in Washington at the end of this month. Additionally, Pajamas noted an increased emphasis on its new Internet television venture (www.pjtv.com) for center-right and conservative audiences.

Joe the Plumber has come to represent the voice of the average person. His coverage of the Gaza Conflict for PJTV in January attracted worldwide attention - sometimes by media that both denigrated his lack of experience while at the same time soliciting their own populist voices via twitter, consumer reporting, etc.

Wurzelbacher's own "Just Joe" segment at PJTV will focus on issues of the day as explored and reported by Joe. Wurzelbacher is currently in Washington to understand and report on the U.S. financial crisis and the proposed stimulus plan, bringing with him a common man's perspective. He is meeting with groups such as The Heritage Foundation, The Conservative Working Group, the Club for Growth, Cato Institute, and others.


Sounds to me like Joe is setting his sights on a political future. Either that or a television personality. I really wonder how far this will go...


reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 10:29 AM by FlyersFan
So lemme get this straight ... when it's a bunch of 5-9 year old poor black/hispanic kids naming their school after Obama, you praise it and applaud them 'getting involved in the process'.

But when middle-aged conservative white guy 'Joe the Plumber' is asked to come to small nothing event by some republicans he is not only suddenly a 'leader' in the republican party but also an 'idiot' and a 'pathetic, big government loser' - (your quotes)

Reference for the kiddie comment -
Thread Here

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
It's wonderful to see kids getting involved in the political process at such a young age. Good for them. If it's what they and the administration wants, I think it's great that they were able to vote for it and make it happen.



Ooooookay .... just getting everything on the table and in proper context so we all can see exactly what you are saying. It's crystal clear now.


reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 07:00 PM by loam
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



Opinions...not a problem....

Making up the facts is quite another thing, Benevolent Heretic.



Weak. Seriously.

[edit on 6-2-2009 by loam]



reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 07:42 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Loam, unless you can name specifically what facts I supposedly "made up", your charges are meaningless.

More of Joe's advice to Republicans:


Joe 'The Republican Adviser and Plumber' spoke today and the world stopped to listen.
...
On advice to Republicans: "It's not politically incorrect to say you're Republican or conservative. "They need to dig their heels in and fight for what needs to be done." "I don't believe there's two sides to every story. It's black and white...there's right and wrong."

Source


The idea that there's not 2 sides to every story and that everything is black and white, right or wrong - is part of is what has gotten this country to where it is now. Bush's mindset of "you're either with us or against us" is a dangerous paradigm that many follow today, sadly.

I hope you guys are right and JT Plumber doesn't end up in a leadership position in the party because that would really slam it into the gutter. But I don't know... with leaders like Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal and John Boehner it's already in enough trouble.

[edit on 7-2-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 08:03 AM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
www.gather.com...

You used THAT as a source? That's a blog. You are always running around complaining when people use blogs as sources. OMG - that you would actually use that and quote from it is so funny!

.. the world stopped to listen ...

the world stopped to listen to Joe The Plumber at this meeting, eh? NOT!

For those who are interested in the facts about Gov. Bobby Jindal - (whom BH obviously isn't too impressed with since the 'GOP is in enough trouble with him as a leader' ) - take a look at his biography. It's much fuller then a certain POTUS who is now in office

Jindal biography
Jindal, born in Baton Rouge to Indian immigrants, was a Hindu but converted to Catholicism while in high school. He graduated from Brown University with honors in biology and public policy. Afterwards, he received a master's degree in politics from Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar. He is the only Indian-American currently serving in Congress, ...

His previous public service includes time as the Louisiana Secretary of Department of Health & Hospitals, Executive Director of the National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare, and Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. He was also the youngest ever president of the University of Louisiana System.

In the Spring of 2004, fellow Louisianan, Christopher Mora, a Navy veteran and graduate student at Harvard University, proposed and coordinated an invitation for Jindal to serve as one of the Visiting Fellows for the Harvard Kennedy School of Government Institute of Politics. Jindal's presentations, focused on health care public policy and welfare reform, were both popular and highly attended.


Official Website of Gov. Jindal

Governor Jindal has put forth detailed plans for reforming our state's health care, education, and transportation systems, as well as for encouraging workforce development and continuing recovery efforts in areas devastated by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, as well as Hurricanes Gustav and Ike.

Governor Jindal led the historic response to Hurricane Gustav by successfully moving 1.9 million people out of harms’ way, the largest evacuation of citizens in the history of the United States, including the largest medical evacuation in history moving more than 10,400 people from hospitals, nursing homes, and other medical facilities out of the path of the storm.


The mess that the DEMOCRATIC GOV. left behind when she screwed up the Katrinia response was massive. Jindal has been working with the local DEMOCRATIC leadership - like (d) Mayor Nagin (who likes New Orleans because it's a 'chocolate city') to get things done.

He has congressional experience. He has executive experience. He's run a state, and continues to do so with high approval ratings, and he's been very successful at it. The last approval rating I could find for him stood at 77%.
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