1,000,000 jobs created under Obama... If you are a teenager, you will work for free.

To me this sounds like something that is good on paper and in countries where things like this already work.

I can already tell you that most of the kids I went to school with would start a riot if they had to do ANY form of volunteering.

I think that people that volunteer are great, I would do it if I had the time. If this actually happens, I can guarantee you that 99% of the kids would just sit there and create more problems.

Again, good on paper, but it'll never work.

I can't believe some of you people actually want America to become more "socialist"

Ever hear about the Constitution? That is what America is about. All this big government crap should not be happening with the checks and balances, but its safe to say all the checks have been loopholed.

This is why a civil war in the future is a definate possibility.

Well, I think it will be a good thing. Kids today do nothing and have everything. They need disciplin, respect, and to know what work is. It will perpare them to be more productive members of society, instead of whinging failures. When I was a teen, the majority of my friends couldn't cook, sew (their parents just bought them new stuff), couldn't even iron their clothes! They were useless. And when they started work after lazing around at college getting average grades, they complained because things weren't the way they wanted.
At the very least, a years service will show them just how good they have it, and how people have had to toil to get what they have, and nnot always like it. They will grow up to be the strong backbone this country needs.

First off this site is so bogus.

Second off, no way can that be legally done, but this site might as well be the Onion.

Thirdly, anything Rahm says needs to be taken with a grain of salt because the guy is a joker.


We have a new admin so the rumor mills are gonna be cranking folks! check your sources!


[edit on 21-1-2009 by nixie_nox]

Originally posted by cruzion
Well, I think it will be a good thing. Kids today do nothing and have everything. They need disciplin, respect, and to know what work is. It will perpare them to be more productive members of society, instead of whinging failures. When I was a teen, the majority of my friends couldn't cook, sew (their parents just bought them new stuff), couldn't even iron their clothes! They were useless. And when they started work after lazing around at college getting average grades, they complained because things weren't the way they wanted.
At the very least, a years service will show them just how good they have it, and how people have had to toil to get what they have, and nnot always like it. They will grow up to be the strong backbone this country needs.

Are you willing to do the same, If they require you to "volunteer" 50 hours of your time every year without compensation? If not, you shouldn't insist that others do it. Whether someone is a productive member of society is a matter of opinion. Please define "productive" for me as it applies to society as a whole..

It's irrelevant whether it's 5 minutes or 50 hours. It's your time, and you have a constitutional right to do with it as you will. Anything else is slavery.

reply to post by mastermind77


A lot of areas do this btw. My state does it. Mandatory 40 hours of community service during high school. Don't do it, you don't graduate.

Most of you need to relax and settle down. NO WHERE has it been mentioned that in solid proof that people are going to be working for free, let alone the children of our society. Just because Obama mentioned a Civil military does not mean a damn thing.

Jesus people ... don't always be so quick to jump the gun. You have no idea what this means. How many times have you heard a hopeful President make comments and then never deliver? Don't you know this is all part of their propaganda to get elected? Once they are elected, half of their promises go down the drain.

I do not see this ever happening here in America. Speak all you want about it, but where is your proof?

As an 18 year old, maybe he's talking about something other than a draft... why assume the worst?
I'd be willing to work for the military sciences division for free if I could still attend college without any problems. I think it's a good idea to make these jobs, though.

I'd be exempt from a draft because of medical/physical reasons. My boyfriend and I have discussed this before.

I think he's talking about the National Guard though, and supporting it more.

It doesn't say anything definite, and the video is from 2006.

Plus, if you listened to more recent speeches by the administration, they want to reduce military conflicts.

Perhaps they'll make a bigger Peace Corp type thing. I would do it.

Edit- For school and for NHS I need to have a certain number of community service hours completed to graduate and stay in NHS.
Also, many students do work study programs in college, which means that if they do work for the school that they attend, they have a reduction in college fees.

If it's community service, and includes unpaid internships, then I'm SET for LIFE! I love doing that stuff.

Also, I cook, bake, sew, tutor, teach, volunteer, iron, and do laundry.
Don't assume things. My boyfriend also does all of the above, as do his sisters. It depends where you come from. Where I live it's not too common for kids to know that stuff, but in the South, tons of teens do. I also work my butt off in school.

The problem I would have being drafted, if that's the situation, is that I barely weigh over 100 lbs, I have fibromyalgia, and chronic fatigue syndrome. I am horrible at anything having to do with strenuous physical activity, except hiking, yoga, horseback riding, dance and weight lifting (which aren't all that strenuous). I had pertussis as a preteen and still have breathing problems with exertion.

In short, I would probably be the one causing our troops to get shot.
I actually wouldn't last through training.

[edit on 1/21/2009 by ravenshadow13]

Originally posted by cruzion
Well, I think it will be a good thing. Kids today do nothing and have everything. They need disciplin, respect, and to know what work is. It will perpare them to be more productive members of society, instead of whinging failures. When I was a teen, the majority of my friends couldn't cook, sew (their parents just bought them new stuff), couldn't even iron their clothes! They were useless. And when they started work after lazing around at college getting average grades, they complained because things weren't the way they wanted.
At the very least, a years service will show them just how good they have it, and how people have had to toil to get what they have, and nnot always like it. They will grow up to be the strong backbone this country needs.

If you think it will be a good thing: A. Do it for yourself. and/or B. Do it for your kids. You have no right to expect others to do this sort of work. That is what is wrong with this country more than about anything, people always see problems in other people and society when all the problems are within themselves. Something you and many others might find interesting.

"Externalization is an unconscious defense mechanism, where an individual "projects" his own internal characteristics onto the outside world, particularly onto other people."

en.wikipedia.org...

Instead of "they need", what is it that you need? Maybe some discipline, respect, the meaning of hard work ect. So your friends couldn't cook and are therefore worthless, nice. You really could use a bit more respect and get your head out of the clouds. Mandatory volunteer work for you!

If some of you think this is a good idea, here are some others that sound great.
1. All workers over the age of 30 are required to save 20% of their salaries annually, if they can't they go to jail.
2. All workers age 50 and above are required to get a second job and all the money from said job goes to the government to help pay the nation debt and social security.

See how fun and "helpful" these laws are? btw, a lot of the younger generation would be for idea #2. With the social security fund going bankrupt soon it would sure help the younger generation pay your bills. So the older gen shouldn't be controlling the younger gen and vice versa. That is why this country is a republic and not a democracy.


[edit on 21-1-2009 by ghaleon12]

Yeah! Only one day in office and the games have begun. He talks about bringing us a more open government, one that values freedom, but in the next breath he stomps on those very same freedoms as if they are nothing.


All I have to say at this point is, not my kids!


I will determine where, when & for what organization my kids volunteer their time to. The government is NOT going to tell me any different. I'm their parent and I'll be damned if the government is going infringe upon my parental rights any more than they already do.

I'm done with this bull. I'm no longer a republian, democrat, liberal, conservative or member of any other party. I'm solely for making sure my beloved country stays the free place I once upon a time proudly told my children they were lucky to live in.

And yes, I'm in a pissy mood. I just got done doing my taxes, those pesky illegal income taxes, enough said.

reply to post by Doomsday 2029


This is absolutely one of the best things that can be done for the youths. Instead of entering the work force, later as adults, with no experience to back up their job application, teenagers can now use the experience they accumulated through this work program on their resume'.

As a college grad, I can attest that the most important thing employers are looking for is experience. I have friends who have Doctorates, but are working at Starbucks because of lack of experience for the job, or are working on acquiring a new degree just to compete in the job market.

Not only will the teens get experience, but this will keep them off the streets and away from any activities that would land them in jail.

When I was in Switzerland, the goverment not only trained the teenagers in their respective industry, but also paid them if they finished high school, even if the teen chose not to work for that company. I can see this as being the next step to this program.

[edit on Wed Jan 21st 2009 by DJMessiah]

Originally posted by DJMessiah

Not only will the teens get experience, but this will keep them off the streets and away from any activities that would land them in jail.

And this applies to how many people? Not that many teens are in jail, lol. "keep them off the streets" what the heck does that mean? And I really don't see how 4 hours a month is going to "keep them off the streets". If you want to get people off the streets, buy them a house.

Since when is arbitrarily taking someone's time away from them in order to keep them "away from any activities that would land them in jail" a good thing? Having mandatory mud wrestling matches for teens would keep them off the streets, and also keep them away from any activities that would land them in jail. Good idea? Probably not, unless some of the adults got off on that sort of thing, then it'd be just swell.


[edit on 21-1-2009 by ghaleon12]

Originally posted by DJMessiah
reply to post by Doomsday 2029

 

This is absolutely one of the best things that can be done for the youths. Instead of entering the work force, later as adults, with no experience to back up their job application, teenagers can now use the experience they accumulated through this work program on their resume'.

As a college grad, I can attest that the most important thing employers are looking for is experience. I have friends who have Doctorates, but are working at Starbucks because of lack of experience for the job, or are working on acquiring a new degree just to compete in the job market.

Not only will the teens get experience, but this will keep them off the streets and away from any activities that would land them in jail.

When I was in Switzerland, the goverment not only trained the teenagers in their respective industry, but also paid them if they finished high school, even if the teen chose not to work for that company. I can see this as being the next step to this program.

[edit on Wed Jan 21st 2009 by DJMessiah]

That is what after school jobs are for. I had one and my son will have one next year. It's part of growing up. (at least it is in my area)

This boils down to the government once again telling parents "we know what is best for your children."

Well guess what, I know what is best for my children.

HHuummmmmm I wonder, how he thinks he can make this fly. How is he planning on enforcing this? As well funded as our own countries military? Who is financing this?

IF he can make this work, it will be all out civil war.

Originally posted by ghaleon12
And this applies to how many people? Not that many teens are in jail, lol. "keep them off the streets" what the heck does that mean? And I really don't see how 4 hours a month is going to "keep them off the streets". If you want to get people off the streets, buy them a house.

It's not the hours they put in that keeps them off the streets but what they get out of it - discipline and a motivator for self-sufficiency. Those are good things, right?

Since when is arbitrarily taking someone's time away from them in order to keep them "away from any activities that would land them in jail" a good thing?

This program is voluntarily done. It gives people the option of either building on a strong work experience and helping their country or choosing
not to.

This program also involves professionals who have a skill needed when there is an emergency:

Create a Civilian Assistance Corps (CAC): An Obama-Biden administration will set a goal of creating a national CAC of 25,000 personnel. This corps of civilian volunteers with special skill, sets (doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, agriculture specialists, police, etc.) would be organized to provide each federal agency with a pool of volunteer experts willing to deploy in times of need at home and abroad.

www.barackobama.com...

Having mandatory mud wrestling matches for teens would keep them off the streets, and also keep them away from any activities that would land them in jail. Good idea? Probably not, unless some of the adults got off on that sort of thing, then it'd be just swell.

Having mandatory mud wrestling matches has nothing to do with this topic.

Originally posted by lynn112
That is what after school jobs are for. I had one and my son will have one next year. It's part of growing up. (at least it is in my area)

After-school jobs are still an option for anyone who wishes to participate in them. With this program, they have relevant work experience that can be used in a professional career, if needed.

This boils down to the government once again telling parents "we know what is best for your children."

The goverment is offering a program for teens who want to volunteer and help their community. Nothing in it is mandatory.

Well guess what, I know what is best for my children.

I agree

This is brain-washing at its best. Black uniformed kids who will report on their parents for saying bad things about their government. "Hitler Youth" come to mind?

This was spoken about 2 months ago and I agree it will help reduce the unemployment stats, but come on people ! Havnt you got enough home defence enforcers without training the young of your country?.

Maybe TPTB liked what they saw when Israel had thousands of reservists to call up.

respects

Originally posted by DJMessiah

Originally posted by lynn112
That is what after school jobs are for. I had one and my son will have one next year. It's part of growing up. (at least it is in my area)

After-school jobs are still an option for anyone who wishes to participate in them. With this program, they have relevant work experience that can be used in a professional career, if needed.

This boils down to the government once again telling parents "we know what is best for your children."

The goverment is offering a program for teens who want to volunteer and help their community. Nothing in it is mandatory.

Well guess what, I know what is best for my children.

I agree

When it was first posted on his campaign site, it used words like required that did not sit well with me. (There was a thread here @ www.abovetopsecret.com... about this very topic)

Also, there has been much talk from Biden and Obama about a forced military for our youth, that this program smells like a first step to that becoming a reality. IMO, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is a duck.

Sorry, I just don't trust any government official. (Go figure? )

reply to post by DYepes


"The Giver" showed what happens when people in a society are tired of making choices and want someone to make their lives easier by making their choices for them. For instance the government. So all the kids are assigned tasks to do and when they turn 12 are told what job they will have for the rest of their lives. There is no difference or color in this world and also, no genuine memories. Everyone goes about their little, safe pre-planned lives. They are given a selected mate and a boy and girl child to raise. Check out what the term "released " is in context to this book. It is the highest punishment for those who do not conform and also used for those who are weak or too old. Like Jonah in the book, I find it sick to be lied to and forced to conform in exchange for so called peace and safety.

reply to post by Techsnow


Wait....wasn't there some Amendment in the Constitution that prohibited involuntary service except for punishment? Oh yeah the 13th! Wait...doesn't that mean that the draft is unconstitutional? Absolutely! When are we going to do something about the leaders we elect about being lazy, when it comes to every Americans duty?