1,000,000 jobs created under Obama... If you are a teenager, you will work for free.

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The Giver is an amazing book, thought a little communist in it's nature it shows us where the world might be headed.

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we had (during communism and during the transition period ) a 6/12 months military service (males only) in Romania too. I believe it is not a bad thing, however 12 months it is WAY too much. I would say 3-6 months could be beneficial . Hoever I hope that the rules and obligations will not apply to the poor people only (as happened in Eastern Europe - law is not for the rich ones ). From my experience (and other international friends that attended the military ) the purpose of the public army service is not to train you to defend yourself/country but to push you towards your limits and make you discover what you can and what you cannot do.

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O , and I forgot - to teach you obedience. In my case they trained me how to hate leadership over me haha



[edit on 21-1-2009 by sty]

Originally posted by Sara1
They don't sound like bad children, they sound like normal children, dont they? They did not willingly misbehave to seek attention. They quarreled amongst themselves, which is normal behaviour between two siblings, especially when they're young.

It's good that you discipline your kids though, everyone should. If a parent doesn't that's sort of like saying you don't care about the kids, yknow?

I'm not calling the children bad, I am calling the mother bad, really getting arested for smacking your kids on the plane? and we don't know exactly why they misbehaived, seeking attention is my best guess based on the limited information. And what is normal anyways? and to dismiss a "quarrel" of as "oh there kids, kids do that" is laying groundwork for future shortcomings as well,(not yours) as I don't personally know you I couldn't comment on you, I just mean overall.

I am strict on mine and have always been that way, we have very few problems and minor when they do occur, We recieve complements all the time as to how well behaived our kids are and how respectful ect ect. and I'm sure to tell them when we receive such compliments as that reenforces the expectations that have always been "on the table"

In an effort to convey my humble opinion in supporting the idea of this kind of thing taking place is the only reason for my "blunt" responses, I apoligise if they come off as brash, I am just ready for some kind of action wich will positivley benefit young people, the youth centers, boys club, church groups, ect ect are not working, shootings in schools, assaults, rapes you name it, it's happening and what are we to do besides attempt to give direction and training.

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Originally posted by Techsnow . . . .
BTW its 50 hours a month. Have fun picking up trash on the side of the road kids. . . .

Go back and check the source.

It's 50 hours a Year, not a month.

In other words, 4 hours a month.

Anyone who won't spend 4 hours a month helping their country doesn't deserve to live there.

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Uhh...doesn't the state tell you what is right and wrong NOW? Even in school, with laws, etc?

Now what counts as teenager? I'm 19 going on 20 next month would I still be counted as a teenager? Or would a teenager be someone who is still in high school? I already have a job and a full college schedule, I barely even get enough time to look at the inside of my eyelids (due to my body just hating sleep and not having enough time anyway) I don't need those 4 hours taken away!

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I see this as a positive thing.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

For petes sake it's a few jumping jacks every day and a few weeks of picking up trash along side the highway."


Right, then comes the classes of if you really care about this country, who on your street boys/girls isn't on the obama bandwagon? What's this person/ person's saying?
Remember class anyone that disagrees with us is bad and you should report them to your block leader like a good patriotic citizen.

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Jesus Christ thats so wrong. Firstly I have more respect for potheads than for sober control freak know it alls who thinks its cool to be clean..HAHA morons...

Second if i were a teen, i would not work for free and tell my parents and government to **ck off. Thirdly he has no right to use socialist tactics in a democratic nation. Oh wait because everyone is so dumb and obedient..yes he does
manipulative freak

Hes a shill a pawn a loser disguised as a winner. Dont listen to anything the government says because its all a coordinated effort to force fear, im not afraid, im very very pissed off at my nation.

Your falling for his every whim losers. Obama and his minions of undermining control freaks can get ***ked.

Welcome to the emerald city. Last of the Americans.

Uh, did anybody watch the video of what Rahm Emanuel thinks on the OP? reposting it here so you can see what i'm talking about. at about 2:40 until about 3:05 Rahm says either you take a TRAIN RIDE or BARRACKS. uhh, what? Hmm. FEMA camps anyone? Mass indoctrination anyone? Then he talks about chemical, terrorist attacks. How about that. We can all be ready to stand in line and board the trains. And what about those natural disasters which have become so frequent huh?

i am not standing around picking up trash. maybe if they force me, after the trial, they can put me in my orange jumpsuit and then i'll pick up trash.

Or could this simply be an innocent little venture?

i for one am not impressed. Besides, i can't stand jumping jacks.

www.wnd.com...

I think that perhaps you are all forgetting the laws already in place that say a teenager cant work more than 4 hours a day no more than 4 days a week, after school hours and before 9pm for 16yr old and 10 pm for 17 year old. That's a MAX of 64 hours a month, real work or volunteer work if you maintain a 3.0 grade average or higher.

. Now add to that 50 hours of community service work and in essence they are being taught to work for the government for free and not hold a real job during this time. Because the law FORBIDS them from doing more than just the community service.

Secondly children under the age of 16 are NOT permitted to work with out parental consent and records form their school saying that they are in good standing grade wise. So how can these kids be expected to break the laws already in place unless the Gov plans on repealing the standing laws to allow ALL teenagers of all ages to do FREE work that the adults themselves wont do?

Kind of seems that perhaps instead of blaming the Gov for forcing OUR CHILDREN to work for free ;we should be blaming ourselves for not getting out there in our communities and doing it!

Third we did that community service BS to our kids here in Northern California for the "they are bad kids" reasons. Guess what out of the 3 years we did it the college advancement dropped to under 10% and only 5% of the graduating classes even went to work within 2 years of graduating! If any of you think this is going to FIX a problem of parents not being parents you are dead wrong. They still go home to the same house and they still learn the same crap at said home no matter how much you force them to work for free in the community.

This farce of a plan is nothing more than a way for the Gov to cut back on the PAID adult workers who are the ones hired to do this stuff. It has nothing to do with TEACHING kids to be more responsible it has to do with getting FREE labor when we are in a financial crisis. We have all been against the child workers overseas in the sweat shops for years. But now Mr Obama says its a good thing for kids to WORK at "community service" its all fine and dandy. Get a clue and get off the soap box this is wrong no matter how much you sugar coat it. No matter how many parents you blame or reasons you come up with its CHILD LABOR!!!!! PERIOD

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Let the Obats unite. You really are blind.

great news at www.wisdommagazine.net...

Yes it looks like its coming. Rich people can send their kids overseas to study and escape, but not everyone is so fortunate though.

Originally posted by DYepes
Some of the replies already stated go to show the entitlement mentality that has some people jumping to conclusions.

You know I do community service voluntarily several times a month. Yea thats why I am not on here nearly as much as I used to.

See there are actually people in America that do take pride in their communities and volunteer their "free" time to make their towns a better place.

See there's the problem with your argument, "You do it voluntarily"... I do a lot of things voluntarily, but I get severely pissed off when someone else volunteers my services without my consent. When you're made to do something, it's no longer voluntary, regardless of how you dress it up with flowery rhetoric.

What is so hard about children and teens getting away from thought corrupting, soul destroying tv and video games, or off the streets doing crime and drugs for an alotted amount of hours a month doing good things instead?

There's nothing wrong with it, if it's THEIR desire to do so, otherwise you're talking about the involuntary conscription of another person.


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Better dead than red. My children will NOT be participating in any youth work camps, youth barracks corps, youth reprogramming getaway, whatever the f they want to call it, they won't be doing that. Again, I'd love to thank America for electing this dump on the rug, but the more I read the more certain I am that we actually had very little to do with him being where he is.

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This kind of program is just another transfer of tax money. It will become a joke eventual if it ever gets off the ground.

Its also a large intrusion although it may not appear to be on its face.

The creators of this thing have an end game to it that will not be apparent right off as well. They intend to expand the mission once the thing gets going. And like all government employees they will be loyal to the pusher man.

Originally posted by Logarock
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This kind of program is just another transfer of tax money. It will become a joke eventual if it ever gets off the ground.

Its also a large intrusion although it may not appear to be on its face.

The creators of this thing have an end game to it that will not be apparent right off as well. They intend to expand the mission once the thing gets going. And like all government employees they will be loyal to the pusher man.

All one needs to do is look at the larger picture to see where this is all going..

First you have the 0 to 5 plan to begin the initial indoctrination process of the children, then you have the "voluntary" community service program to further the brainwashing process and reenforce the value of service, and lastly, you have the civilian security force which will utilize all the mindless drones and foot soldiers that have been created.

Involuntary volunteers? Reminds me of one time at a church I was told there was a mandatory donation in a specific amount for a particular sacrament. I went to another church who asked for nothing and and they received the donation.

This all sounds like a way to get free labor. In high school I was in a work program where you worked for credits. Problem was some of the jobs didn't want to teach you anything, just get free labor for 6 months. I had it out with a guidance counselor for not going to one of the jobs for a couple of days. When I told her that the job had me making photocopies for 2 or 3 days straight (yes, they were changing their filing system and I stood over a copy machine for 8 hours straight for a few days in a row) she blew a fit and nearly threw them off the program. I didn't make copies after that.

At least I was earning something (credits), even if not getting paid money.

What is the compensation for this involuntary volunteer work?

Has this been forgotten?

"Amendment XIII

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. "


A requirement to volunteer without compensation sounds a lot like involuntary servitude to me.

America is constantly in war, overthrowing foreign leaders, occupying others, killing for the elite and oligarchs. Why Americans want to send their children to a war zone protecting the interest of a bunch elitists money hungry control freaks?

I'm amazed when I read some reactions here how wonderful this plan is. And how good they are themselves by doing community service, thus how good it is for another. Although its not free by choice, but mandatory by the government.

The government works for you! You pay tax to make life easier for you! Not the other way around? Its the parents choice how they bring up their children and what they let them do with their free time.

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[For petes sake it's a few jumping jacks every day and a few weeks of picking up trash along side the highway. ]

It'll all be fun and games for a while until some kid walking along the highway gets hit by a drunk driver or some moron talking on his or her phone while driving.

I am 100% sure that the kids of the wealthy and powerful will not be doing these "community services" and that these poor will be forced to extend their 'services' for a pittance.