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1,000,000 jobs created under Obama... If you are a teenager, you will work for free.

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posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 07:04 PM
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"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

Good quote. Here is another one.

"America is the land of the free."

If some one wants to do hell wit their life let them. I do not think many people do - but none the less I just do not see how life could get much easier as these years of a persons life are very important (18-22). For many it is college, determining a career, or starting your career.

I do not see people working for free though. I just highly doubt it will happen.




posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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So much fuss over a suggestion that kids donate 4 hours a month to doing something for this great country.

it's old news, hyped up by a dodgy site.
And even this dodgy site referred to in the OP says 50 hours a YEAR, not 50 hours a month.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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I don't think that the main problem that many people (including myself) have is however many hours a month or year of comunity service kids would have to do. I think the problem is people wondering what would be next after that.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Frankly this is a positive thing for a society to do. Have you ever read the book the Giver? It teaches responsibility, discipline, and focus on real world issues. The whole kids need to be kids excuse is IMO the reason our youth have degenerated into criminal behavior and drug abuse. Not to mention the rapid development of health problems as a result of such sedentary lifestyles.

You know what, it does not even matter. I got the President I wanted, and the more I find out about these programs he supports, the more I just love the guy. This will only do good things for Americas youth in our goal for a more Socialist society.

If selflessness is taught at a young age, populations are less likely to grow into a greedy, cynical, egotistical, supremacist, apathetic state of mind, kind of like many today.

I support this initiative.

There are many cultures where the youth of their society participate in years of civil service, they are not all out teaching the conquering the world and genocides of peoples. Please don't take things out of context.

[edit on 1/20/2009 by DYepes]


The only thing Obama is trying to teach is for kids to bow down to the goverment. PR spin about giving yourself for the better of society has been done before. Hitler said the same dam thing. So did Stalin.

My kids are born free and shall remain free. Obama and his civic service plan will never be forced on my kids. Ill live in the dam woods before he forces my kids to do a dam thing.

I dont know whats worse, Obama and his elite pals world domination plans or ignorant people like yourself cheering him on. Next thing you'll be telling me is global warming (oops its called climate change now cause the planet is no longer getting hotter) is real and I should gladly pay a carbon tax.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by star in a jar
reply to post by In nothing we trust
[For petes sake it's a few jumping jacks every day and a few weeks of picking up trash along side the highway. ]

It'll all be fun and games for a while until some kid walking along the highway gets hit by a drunk driver or some moron talking on his or her phone while driving.

I am 100% sure that the kids of the wealthy and powerful will not be doing these "community services" and that these poor will be forced to extend their 'services' for a pittance.


Yeah you're right.

The depression will get worse and will last for 3 more years. Have a nice night.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by Chance321
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I see this as a positive thing.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

For petes sake it's a few jumping jacks every day and a few weeks of picking up trash along side the highway."


Right, then comes the classes of if you really care about this country, who on your street boys/girls isn't on the obama bandwagon? What's this person/ person's saying?
Remember class anyone that disagrees with us is bad and you should report them to your block leader like a good patriotic citizen.


Enjoy the depression.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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As I recall the CCC's paid their workers during the Depression. To my grandfather it was like being able to serve in the army, if you didn't qualify to serve in the army. He was able to do things to help the TVA at the later stages. Kind of a bitter pill for him as he and his family had to abandon their general store when he was a younger child and move to higher ground when the TVA handed them a check for what they thought the land was worth. A number of those goods in that store is still were they were left and can now be found at the bottom of Carryville Lake with what is left of the old town.

So let me guess, 16-18 year olds doing some manual labor to pick up litter, move rocks and stuff? Yeah it builds a bit of character working outdoors and getting some good physical exercise and learning a good work ethic. So what happens when all these well fit teenagers find that there are no jobs for them when they turn 18?

Some more questions might include is who is the responsible adults that are going to be supervising these young boys and girls? Will the pedophilia screening be better than the ones for all the teachers that are currently being caught having sex with their students today? What will the topics of conversation include from these adults mentoring to the kids? How will discipline be handed? Not all children play well with others at all times.

And for those that know well enough that I have to put some humor to this, can John Forgerty give them a cheap MP3 player with "Fortunate Son" on there so they have something to think about as they work so they know their place in life now?



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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If McCain won, it'd be the same thing. Both are for the CFR, Bilderbergs, etc



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar
So let me guess, 16-18 year olds doing some manual labor to pick up litter, move rocks and stuff?

And for those that know well enough that I have to put some humor to this, can John Forgerty give them a cheap MP3 player with "Fortunate Son" on there so they have something to think about as they work so they know their place in life now?


My understanding is that the program will apply to young adults 18 and over. Kids old enough to goto war and kill.

It is likely the poor will end up doing the heavy labor and jobs that no-one wants. The rich kids will likely serve thier time at the beach cleaning up beer bottles.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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Amen! I've worked a lot with kids and teens the past few years and all I can say is, using video games and the Internet as a subtitute parent is a really poor move which is what a significant percentage of parents do. I hate to bash because there are a lot of great kids out there but a lot of the 25 and under crowd really doesn't have much in the way of character, spine or manners. A lot of kids don't seem to be able to converse normally or interact socially other than gossiping on net pages and that is far more harmful than the old days of hallway gossip because now you can do it and not be held accountable for your actions.

Military service and ROTC service is a great way to learn character and cooperative work skills, not to mention time management and accountability. At least kids who wind up hanging out in the wrong crowd can pick up street smarts, I don't think a lot of kids today can think independently enough to cope on their own. Our area just screwed kids over royally by dropping school sports programs, which provided both a healthy outlet and lots of scholarships. A program like this can fill that void and also address a lot of menial jobs that most cities can't budget now. Sorry but clean streets are a really good thing!



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 09:31 PM
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I stand proud of the ATS community and the people that agree that this is NOT a good thing! Unfortunately, you can expect to see this spun as a good thing by all the MSM when it finally comes to reality, which it will. Yet again ATS makes me proud in defending the constitution of America . If only more could see the real outcome of such a scenario that is being proposed by a new commander in chief.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 09:38 PM
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You notice how obama starts by saying what we shouldn't do then when the clapping gets to the loudest he points his finger and with a mild voice says his plan and they just keep clapping. You know people cant hear what he's suggested but it sounds good cause everyone else must think its good cause there clapping but really they just started clapping because they heard what we shouldn't do first not the populace majority becoming militia



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by In nothing we trust


It is likely the poor will end up doing the heavy labor and jobs that no-one wants.


Well, see? There ends the rhetoric of "illegals do the jobs that Americans refuse to do."

Only now we get to do it for free...see we didn't have to 'Hope' very long for 'Change' after all. For those saying that they can't do that to their children...'Yes We Can.'

...setting the alarm clock for four years from now. Have fun but before I go, I am reminded of when Prince was chastised for not singing on the song "We are the World" despite doing a song for the album and giving it to USA For Africa for free. He wrote a song called "Hello" in response. Some interesting lyrics there for those that want to look them up. But I can't seem to find the last bit of the full version

So from memory (feel free to correct me)

You see, to me words are like shoes
They are something you stand on
Don't you wish you could be in my shoes?
But they are so high that you would probably fall down and die
Because for you words are not shoes
They are weapons and tools for destruction
And your time is boring unless you are putting someone down
Tell me now darling, isn't life a little better than a pair of good shoes?



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 12:33 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by nixie_nox
A lot of areas do this btw. My state does it. Mandatory 40 hours of community service during high school. Don't do it, you don't graduate.

Exactly. (btw, just out of curiousity, which state was that?) I went to private school in NY, and we had required community service as early as 7th grade. The same thing for high-school in NJ. None in college, but by that time, I did it because I wanted to, I enjoyed it (which surprised all who knew me, lol).

There is nothing wrong with this plan. The way I see it, it would probably be more efficient if the federal government were to implement a program, to be administered by individual states. That way, instead of a headmaster or principal just calling a friend who happens to run a nursing home, or whatever, and allowing them to benefit from all the free labor, we could have a more macro view of which (public) institutions or departments really need help (and would benefit all of us).

Forget whether the kids have any sense of responsibility or whatever, that's all irrelevant. They're trying to keep our country running the way we expect it to run, and since Bush basically bankrupted us, even before the bail-out, our leaders have to get creative, and we have to help.

This is our country, after all.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by Quazze
How many times have you heard a hopeful President make comments and then never deliver?


They never deliver the good stuff. The ominous stuff like this is what we always get, without fail. Yknow why? Cuz the bad stuff we don't like is cheap and easy, and the stuff we want isn't.

You have been promised a long list of stuff, mark it all down on paper somewhere. Do it quick, because that list is rapidly disappearing from Obama's official website. Maybe someone here has a digital copy they could kindly upload. Copy that list, then check an item off when you feel Obama has actually made good on it.

Then in four years take a look at the list, ask yourself if there's enough ticks on it, and how many more you think will get on that list with a re-election.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:34 AM
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Teaching people that there's more to life than personal gain is a good thing.

The reason life is so brutal now is because mostly everyone now has a mindset of "what's in it for me", "what do I get out of this"?

I have done volunteer work and it's actually a good thing, it empowers you, makes you feel good and helps out.

I'm so tired of selfish, me me me me me type of people.

It's time to teach our youth that life isn't about me it's about we.

If everyone went out today and did just one random act of kindness the world could be so much more of a happy and enjoyable place.

Obama might just be trying to teach social responsibility and the belief in something out there larger than ourselves, I don't see that as a bad thing.

Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up. ~Jesse Jackson

A good character is the best tombstone. Those who loved you and were helped by you will remember you when forget-me-nots have withered. Carve your name on hearts, not on marble. ~Charles H. Spurgeon

Real generosity is doing something nice for someone who will never find out. ~Frank A. Clark

The difference between a helping hand and an outstretched palm is a twist of the wrist. ~Laurence Leamer, King of the Night

Service to others is the rent you pay for your room here on earth. ~Mohammed Ali

It's easy to make a buck. It's a lot tougher to make a difference. ~Tom Brokaw






[edit on 22-1-2009 by ofhumandescent]



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:54 AM
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The whole point of the giver is why this sort of thing is wrong, kids need to be kids, people need to be themselves, not what the collective believes they should be. Did you even read this book? or just skim the jacket. Even the leader of this type of society felt it was wrong and helped Jonas to escape.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by Lazyninja
No man it's not a good thing, the moral upbringing of a child is the duty of the parents. When the state is instilling morals and work ethic into teenagers that is definitely when stuff is going wrong.


If parents were doing their job and raising kids to respect people, contribute to society and respect others then all of this wouldn't be needed.

The fact is, many modern parents actually don't care about what their kids do until it's too late. By that time their actions are felt in society.

In my view, kids should be encouraged to be an active part of society from a young age. If we were all living in villages they would be. If we were still in smaller communities where we rely on the close bonds of support and rely on the skills of each of us in exchange for protections and support, kids would be learning from their community all the time, becoming a valued member of it.

But now, kids are given the choice of wasting their life watching TV, or waste their life playing computer games. It's frankly not good enough for any country.
These kids grow up to be reliant on the state, reliant on others, reliant on mindless distractions. They offer nothing in return.

The way I see it Obama is giving people the choice, either be an active and valued member of society by choice and doing things you like to do, or you will be put to work to earn your living from the state.

I just wish Brown would do the same in the UK, get all these fat and lazy parents out in the fields, get the unemployed kids off their machines and into industry. If these people choose not to do anything valuable for society, they should be forced to. If they expect the hand-outs, they have to hand something back.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 08:20 AM
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I think everyone that believes this is a good idea, should go out and "volunteer" for some community service today, this very moment. What are you waiting for? Why are you sitting in that computer chair wasting valuable time posting to this forum? There's trash that needs to be picked up, there's graffiti that needs to be removed from your neighborhood walls, there's food banks and homeless shelters that can desperately use your help..

I know you're all probably very busy people, and that's why you're here rather than outside cleaning up your streets, but hey! this isn't about you, it's about serving your community and your fellow man. What could possibly be more important than that? Right?

Like they say: "Action speaks much louder than words". So venture forth, and set a good example for the the youth of this country to follow. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."


[edit on 22-1-2009 by LLoyd45]



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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Do you people who support this monstrosity of a proposal, realize that Obama is just exploiting a dangerous loophole to render the Posse Comitatus Act irrelevant. For those of you who don't know, the Posse Comitatus Act states that the military shall never serve for the purpose of civilian enforcement.

So my point being, if this civilian force of his is just as powerful as the military... would it not, in essence, be the military but with a different name??!



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