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posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:26 AM
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I second the words of Doomsday 2029. When you read about hittlers youth in history your appalled and repulsed and when Obama creates you youth force to do community service some say its great or no big deal...

Foolish thought thoughts like that...

Ugh




posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by tiso_us
A mother tried to discipline her 2 children aboard an airplane and was arrested, the only way she got out of it was to admit she was a terrorist.

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Theres a difference between disiplineing your children at home and in public, this being the "percieved actions" and the actuall ones. Don't beat your kids in public if you chose to do so do it at home in moderation and only when nessacary.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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Men and Women better than you (and I) died so that you (and I) could realize one thing and one thing only - future generations would live free. It doesn't matter if that was the result, but they believed it.

It is what many believe to be a cause worth dying for and you (who are so quick to point out what good people you are) are pissing away everything that good men and women shed blood to secure for you. You make me sick and quite frankly scare the Hell out of me. You want your Socialist System? then get the Hell out, there are plenty of countries that would be happy to oblige your wishes.

You - yes YOU have a duty to defend the Constitution period. You have many choices you can make as an American, but choosing to undermine the Constitution is not one of them. I could rant for an hour on this, I would like to, but whats the point - your lost, your just lost, you bought the lie and your content in it..... Whatever



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by titorite
reply to post by Doomsday 2029
 


I second the words of Doomsday 2029. When you read about hittlers youth in history your appalled and repulsed and when Obama creates you youth force to do community service some say its great or no big deal...

Foolish thought thoughts like that...

Ugh



Oh come on he's not trying to make "Hitler youth's" he is attempting to give some vocational training to the teens in this country who are in dire need of some real direction, because their parents obviously can't provide them with it, what a horrible comparison.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by KMFNWO
Men and Women better than you (and I) died so that you (and I) could realize one thing and one thing only - future generations would live free. It doesn't matter if that was the result, but they believed it.

It is what many believe to be a cause worth dying for and you (who are so quick to point out what good people you are) are pissing away everything that good men and women shed blood to secure for you. You make me sick and quite frankly scare the Hell out of me. You want your Socialist System? then get the Hell out, there are plenty of countries that would be happy to oblige your wishes.

You - yes YOU have a duty to defend the Constitution period. You have many choices you can make as an American, but choosing to undermine the Constitution is not one of them. I could rant for an hour on this, I would like to, but whats the point - your lost, your just lost, you bought the lie and your content in it..... Whatever


Care to mention who your "shotgun" statement was aimed at? please don't tell me you think that the current situation in our country is everything that the soldier's envisioned it would be? They would be ashamed to see how we have turned out.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:37 AM
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and who's law was that, the government?.

The passengers on board would beg to differ.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by tiso_us
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and who's law was that, the government?.

The passengers on board would beg to differ.



Here's the problem, the kids should already know how to behaive on the plane or in public period, there should have been no need for her to spank them anyways, IMO she failed her kids and probably continues to do so to this day.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:47 AM
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She was simply trying to get her children under control, what better time to discipline a child is when an incident occurs, if you wait till later, the child has not learned anything.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:59 AM
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50 hours a month!?!
I already have a 40 hour a week job!
Where do I call in sick for my volunteer time?

What are they going to do, fire me?



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 02:04 AM
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Care to mention who your "shotgun" statement was aimed at? please don't tell me you think that the current situation in our country is everything that the soldier's envisioned it would be? They would be ashamed to see how we have turned out.


You better believe they would be ashamed. And it happened with one loss of liberty at a time and this is just the latest to come down the pike. You (and I) let this happen. the question is do we continue down this path or do we reclaim what has been lost to reverse the "shame" we have allowed to cloud our vision and that of our ancestors. Our founding fathers and History have warned us of the slippery slope we would embark on if we allowed our freedoms go and we did not heed their warnings. We have made our bed and its high time to flip the matress.

Look, You (whoever you are) its great that you consider yourself a great contributor to society. I challenge you to be content in that your creator is pleased with your actions, just as I believe mine is in mine. This whole, I do this, what do you do is petty. And from a Constitutional standpoint you have a right to do nothing. you have a right to fail and you have a right to succeed.

No one is going to win a friend with me calling for a Socialist system in this Country - Not on my watch. You disagree fine, I disagree fine, rights are funny that way. You don't like what I have to say (look away) likewise for me. It's a basic freedom secured in the Constitution I am speaking of - its the right of free speech. Personally, I dont have to like what you have to say, but I will fight to the death to protect your right to say it. Honor my right as such.



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posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 02:12 AM
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DITTO!!!!

Man I like your thinking.

I believe if they implement thing, first it would be voluntary and if that works out they will make it mandatory, and my kids are aready stressed out enough.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by Lazyninja
Isn't community service that thing you do when you break the law, but there isn't any room in the prison for people who commit minor offenses?


I guess this is the kind of attitude they intend to "correct".



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by tiso_us
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She was simply trying to get her children under control, what better time to discipline a child is when an incident occurs, if you wait till later, the child has not learned anything.



Here's my point, if children are disiplined properly they will know how to "act" prior to going into a situation with full knowledge of the consequences associated with misbehaivor. The incident in question should never had gotton to the point of physical intervention (spanking) in the first place it's her fault she can't control her kids IMO, she should seek information on good disipline techniques.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 03:05 AM
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On the flip side I wonder how many people in favour of this do anything as selfless as volunteer work, or spend quality time with their kids (sorry TV time doesn't count), or even have kids. I dare you to tell me that these two forms of "volunteering" are the same thing, you'd just prove you have no experience of both types. One is actually volunteering and the other is not. I do have experience of both, if you want to know the difference just ask.

Don't bring up the 1930s as an example for this because what is being proposed now did not happen then. Would people generally perform as well and help each other out today? No people have changed and so have our freedoms since then (like being able to discipline your child).

You yourself are failing to look at the bigger picture, by favouring a lazy quick fix easy way out "solution" that could very easily turn into something very ugly. You don't see yourself as being shortsighted but you are, in this case.


Originally posted by alyosha1981
Yes actually it is, the "end of story" part implies that nothing more can be done thus defeat. People are "free" to raise their children the fact that some laws protect children's right should not be misconstrued as loss of freedom.


Sure disregard what I'm saying and counter me using one idiom I used several posts ago, out of context too might I add! That end of story part was referring to parents' right to raise their children however they see fit, and only that. NOT that nothing more can be done to improve society and so on.
"People are allowed to raise their children however they wish. End of story." From there, there are several things to do, but that parental right is a must. People need to take responsibility for their own children, not hand that responsibility over. People have been giving away responsibility bit by bit over the past few decades and is what has caused this problem. This is the fuel for the fire, and you would only be tossing more on.

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I find it positively delightful that you keep calling it volunteering. Let me shed some light for you and your witless headlines:

"I say we volunteer everyone to go fight in Iraq."

Are you thinking that's called a conscription/draft? ...Bingo! I think it's about time for a vocabulary lesson.

--- What is a draft?

- To select from a group for some usually compulsory service: drafted into the army.

--- What is volunteering?

- To perform or offer to perform a service of one's own free will.

Do any of you see the difference yet or do these concepts still go over your head? If anyone doesn't know what free will means I urge them to look it up right now. -_-



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 03:07 AM
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Let me clairify some things for you.

(1) I am a veteran, so my views don't include this "socialist" society that you mentioned and please feel free to quote my saying that I wanted that, or the implacation thereof.

(2) The point here is not the loss of freedom(s) as it pertains to some sort of youth work program, how is this a loss of freedom? it would be a contribution to America if you ask me, unless the idea of freedom includes the "be lazy and go committ crimes because your bored" clause specific the the young one's this sort of thing would effect.

(3) I made no mention to your freedom of speach, so don't accuse me of such unless of course you can quote as doing so.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 03:10 AM
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Originally posted by alyosha1981

Originally posted by tiso_us
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She was simply trying to get her children under control, what better time to discipline a child is when an incident occurs, if you wait till later, the child has not learned anything.



Here's my point, if children are disiplined properly they will know how to "act" prior to going into a situation with full knowledge of the consequences associated with misbehaivor. The incident in question should never had gotton to the point of physical intervention (spanking) in the first place it's her fault she can't control her kids IMO, she should seek information on good disipline techniques.


You just shot yourself in the foot there without knowing it. How do you think a child learns how to act in some situation? How can you teach the child if you can't discipline in that situation? You can't be selective with this.

My guess is you don't have children.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 03:14 AM
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I was not trying to attack you bassed on your unclear "end of story" remark I simply pointed out that you attempted to sum up the point with out elaborating, sorry if you took it as a attack I didn't mean it that way.And moreover this does not provide a way for parent's to "give up responcibility" for their children if anything it would add some structure and experience to their lives.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 03:25 AM
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I have two kids BTW, and heres how you accomplish the task in question,

Obviously most if not all kids accompany their parent(s) on outings weather they be to the store or the doctor or any number of public places.The disipline is inacted at the start of outings (early age) and as you progress this becomes clear to the children that bad behaivor will not be tollerated, ( all boundries should have been clearly set forth prior to the outing) and expectations given.

This is something I teach all of my friends who are with young children, who will listen to my advise. Children who are not consistantly given a "step up" aproach in rewards/punishment will most certainly act out more so in public as an attention seeking act. The woman in question clearly had no repoire with her children as there was no way for her to verbally "talk them down" this should have been her first step, followed by a breif reiteration of consequenses for the actions, followed by the least amount of physical restraint nesscesary to calm the children.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 04:00 AM
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To all those who think this is 'good for the country'.

You should ask Obama this:

'If this is so benificial for the country, when are you and all your fellow politicians going to help benefit the country and do this service as well?'


I may be going out on a limb here.. but I can GUESS what the answer to that one will be.

Coming soon: forced labor camps.

HA!



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 04:01 AM
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The woman in question in that article has according to you earlier failed as a mother and continues to fail. The article does not mention the age of the children in question but by the sounds of it they're quite young. Given that the article doesn't reveal the ages I think your judgement of this woman is unreasonable.

They don't sound like bad children, they sound like normal children, dont they? They did not willingly misbehave to seek attention. They quarreled amongst themselves, which is normal behaviour between two siblings, especially when they're young.

It's good that you discipline your kids though, everyone should. If a parent doesn't that's sort of like saying you don't care about the kids, yknow?





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