Originally posted by memyself
Yes, you are a real mother! But how many are? From where do all these abused and mistreated children come? Laws or not, it happens to them, anyway …
Laws obviously hardly prevent, but only punish perpetrators if they are caught, and what does that help the child who is a victim?
Between you and Mick I don't know which is worse with your lack of knowing logical fallacy. So let me just ask you since you seem to KNOW what a
souls perspective is at a childs fetal stage of life.
Just what is it then?
Now you are correct that at the very first sentence given we see the first fatal flaw in micks logic and one including many more after but taking the
first one that a soul is "killed" during the abortion is, at best conjecture and if you are a Bible believing advocate of the God of Abraham, that
soul, does NOT die but where in the Bible does it say it gets a new embryo to inhabit?
Where does it say in the bible that a soul goes ANYWHERE to get ANY new body to inhabit and does this happen in just the pregnancy stages or does it
happen after suggesting a reincarntaion of sorts?
You see this is all purely speculation and the fact is YOU DON'T KNOW!
If yours is a Biblical perspective as is mine, then we have faith in the promises given which WE BELIEVE are true, but PROVING they are is something
even the lord has said "My thinking is not your thinking" for we cannot go where he is to find him in our mortal state in our finite world with all
its physical properties that keep us bound to the laws of physics and beyond that which we cannot and will not EVER comprehend.
Micks argument suggesting that he would not be here if not for an abortion is based on PURE speculation as he thinks he was supposed to be here
because he IS here. How this changes anything I have no idea as if that abortion had not been allowed, then THAT person being allowed to live would
have just as much to quantify that THEY too are SUPPOSED to be here and had that happened means MICK is not supposed to be here.
Who decided that were doctors and one Mom who decided someone was NOT supposed to be here and BOTH trying to improve on the divine provedence of God
or Natural selection of evolution, either ideology you pick, it is MAN who interupted that using what ever the excuse was or still is these days. So
ask the mother or the doctor if they knew who was supposed to be here in the dying ones place later.
Mick thinks it is HIM because he is here and thinks he was supposed to be.
The logic you are using suggests that could have been MICK the first time and because of the abortion, God said Oh no you don't and brought Mick back
again regardless of gender or genetics I am not my DNA as that is just part of me. What makes me who I am is my accumulated memories my education and
These are what makes my life have meaning and value and what we all cherish. Someone said we are only worth what it takes to make us in chemicals.
Yet she totally ignores the time and investment that has gone into the research over the years leading up to how yu take those chemicals and mix them
up to create something LIVING.
That takes INTELLIGENCE.
But even if you are of the school of thought that intelligent design is not science but happens by randomness or natural happenstance the fact is it
has taken many thousands or minds in medical Science through hundreds and hundreds of years of cimbined concentrated study to come to a consensus that
we to this day have not been able to duplicate in technologicaly intelligently created man made rendered version of us.
Like the airplane we copy from the intellectual property, either nature without intelligence but using time has created or that infinite intelligence
God created, we only put value on it when a stealth jet fighter is made costing millions. This is also what makes thinking abortion is so easy to
dismiss as something that isn't human because it ( a fetus) has no memories no history nothing to cherish hence has nothing to lose and of course it
is not something man had any real investment in its design in the first place so that goes unappreciated. The day we can do what ever it is that
created us can do, is the day abortion is given much more attention and appreciation for life is given it also. It would be the day the Micks of the
world would have no doubt what so ever as to his knowing where he came from and whose intention it was that he be here or not.
Until then, it will be the PTB and the ongoing arguments between creationsits and evolutionists in a perpectual endless loop of circular logic because
both schools of thought are arguments defeated by the logical fallacy of assuming the consequent just like this one was and both use their best
understanding of science and philosophy to trump the other but logic is now as it always has been, in the eyes of the logician.
The best ideology with the most to offer is the one I subscribe to which includes the eternal soul being that what ever created us has created that
also. After I chose that Ideology I have two choices to make.
Mick has already decided which ideology to follow so the only other choices he has are made for him. he lives and dies thats it. It is interesting
to note that even in his secular and fallaciously thought out theory of how he came to be, someone still had to play the role of a God giving him the
idea that he is "supposed" to be here.
The fact is we are ALL supposed to be here and who places values on it and what ideas we have that diminsh those values so that someone can play the
part of that God in an act of abortion is another logical fallacy in and of itself. Logical Fallacy has been an area of study I have had all my life
and one I went to college to get my degree as it affects our decisions all the way to the supreme court. Once a human being is here, it exists and
like us does not have to substantiate its being here by saying it is supposed to be here.
IT IS HERE and our lack of appreciation for how it got here is where man makes his biggest mistakes, destroying what exists and what we cannot copy in
ANY of the stages of its inevitable evolution. That is why they ignore God as it doesn't matter how it came to be.
Thou shall not destroy what God put usunder.
It is one I could write a book on but will have to wait for another time or another thread.