It's an injustice to NOT marry girls aged 10, says Saudi cleric, page 4
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reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 12:38 PM by karl 12
reply to post by masonwatcher



It is highly ironic that you make claims of premeditated misinterpretation and spurious mistranslation - it appears that when imans say that good muslims should
'beat their wives lightly'
The word 'lightly' was an added in as a complete fabrication and does not exist in the qu'ran text.
See 5:36

So,if we're being honest about it,we should concede that islamic/abrahamic lore condones wifebeating and the subjugation of women.
It also laughs in the face of sexual equality and sees females as property -perhaps this 'religiously inspired minset' is why the thread exists in the first place.


[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]


reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 03:22 PM by poet1b
reply to post by FlyersFan



Which fits perfectly into Islams world domination plan. They turn their women into baby making machines, so that their population out grows the local population where ever they are allowed to settle. Soon they out number the people of the host nation, and then they start taking over.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 09:50 PM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by DisgustedOne
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to
post by yenko13



Oh puhlease.. not 400 hundred years ago Europe was doing the same thing.


This is not so much sick as it is completely alien to western culture today.

I'm not advocating it in any sense of the word, simply saying that let's not act like this is some sort of islamic pedophilia.

Ok... let's get this straight.

The more fundamentalist your religion, the more PRIMITIVE you are. The more PRIMITIVE you are.. the more your values are based on survival of your family lineage and social dominance.


That goes for all religions.


So given the fundamentalist nature of many sects of Islam, this is not unexpected. As I said... 400 years ago Europe was doing the same thing.


I have to disagree with you on your view that all Fundamentalists are primitive in this context. I consider myself a Fundy (Christian) and most of the people I associate with, but we would never, ever condone underage or unmarried girls becoming some perverts property (that really is what this boils down to). And just to clarify, we do not believe that once a woman does marry that she becomes her husbands property. She becomes his partner.



Really? How old was Sarah?

You do realize that lots of the brides in the early OT were quite young don't you? I mean how much fundamentalist can you get really.

What I mean by Primitive is... pressured by a sense of insecurity and need for survival to such a degree that one will accept extreme ideas.

The thing to remember is that Fundamentalists are never a phenomena of NOW they are nothing more than a group of people saying "It was better when..."


Most of the people I associate with are well educated, professional, intelligent people - accountants, doctors, software programmers, technicians, business owners, etc., and we are all fundamental Christians.



Well guess what... how many murderers and perverts are actually well educated, professional, intelligent people? Accountants, doctors, software programmers, technicians and business owners?

You act as if these achievements make someone better somehow.

When in fact we have found that the higher up in power someone in the clergy becomes, the more apt they are to be found a self-loathing homosexual, or a meth head, or a pedophile, or as in the case of the BTK killer... a torturer and murderer.

I'm sorry but someone's education and occupation doesn't relieve them from being completely insance.



But not primitive. Please don't paint with such a broad brush.


I'm sorry, but it's the case. Fundamentalists, although functional, are primitive.

Let me give you an example of the mind frame which is not primitive.

One that is not tied to a sense of insecurity. One that can assume that everything they know is completely false, and be ok with it.

Someone who does not act or think out of fear.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by HunkaHunka]



reply posted on 23-1-2009 @ 04:14 AM by The Last Man on Earth
reply to post by HunkaHunka



Just because a similar thing happened in the OT doesn't mean it is practised as a standard part of Western morals.

We have grown beyond it, and they should too.


reply posted on 23-1-2009 @ 08:09 AM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth
reply to
post by HunkaHunka



Just because a similar thing happened in the OT doesn't mean it is practised as a standard part of Western morals.

We have grown beyond it, and they should too.



I agree...

But you obviously didn't read the post I was replying to.


The poster I was replying to stated that he/she is a fundamentalist Christian, and they would never do that.

I attempted to explain that a Fundamentalist is someone who believes in the hard core fundamentals laid out in the cannon.

I didn't use that as a justification for anything else other than to prove that to be a fundamentalist you first have to have a primitive mind.


reply posted on 23-1-2009 @ 08:45 AM by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by yenko13
Its a broad brush they paint with and the deeper you look the fater the brush gets , they have girls as young as 3 being married , how much broader can you get, The Muslim Clerics are the educated class of Muslim legal scholars,they are most powerful in the Shi'a tradition of Islam, I will not condone that type of behavior,


Couple of points here...
First, just because you are a 'muslim cleric' doesn't mean you speak for the faith. If so, then it follows that if you are Christian, then you think that 911 happened and the troops overseas are being killed because of the Gays in America. A Christian cleric said so, eh? (Reverend Fred Phelps). Remember, too that there's a lot of archaic stuff in the Bible that would get you locked up should you attempt to exercise your religious rights.

Secondly, Saudi Arabia is full of seriously fundamentalist fruitcakes that are preaching to a lot of folks just come in off the dunes. Not terrifically aware of the world at large. The Royal family blows tons of dough keeping them in line, which essentially bankrolls the extremists. But women can't drive, show ankles and wrists...how come the West hasn't gone to bat for their rights?

Could it be the oil? Either way, I'm sure most Muslims are as aghast at statements like this as you are. And I will guess that a lot of this stuff is based upon cultural practices...again think a primitive audience.

If I'm wrong...if this is indeed a common practice among Muslims, please show me the error of my ways. Oh. and Saudis are Wahhabi, not Shia

...and I'm not asking you to condone this sort of behavior, I'm just asking that it not be used to fuel that anti-Islamic racism that is out there.


reply posted on 23-1-2009 @ 08:53 AM by The Last Man on Earth
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck



Going great, until you said "anti-Islamic racism".

That was plain stupid. Islam isn't a race, it's a religion. I'm sure Milošević's Muslim victims were all pretty damn white, as they would have been the result of Ottoman conquests from centuries earlier.

And, just to reiterate: you cannot be racist against a religion. I wish people would stop trying to do their job as the thought-police by attempting to tie the two together.


reply posted on 23-1-2009 @ 09:21 AM by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth
reply to
post by JohnnyCanuck



Going great, until you said "anti-Islamic racism".

That was plain stupid. Islam isn't a race, it's a religion...
And, just to reiterate: you cannot be racist against a religion. I wish people would stop trying to do their job as the thought-police by attempting to tie the two together.


Well excuse me all to heck. The word 'racism' slipped in. I should have said bigotry.

The fact is that I am tired of all the sophomoric fingerpointing going on that says "See, see! That's why it's ok for me to despise [add group-du-jour here]!!"...and I erred.

I'd suggest that you lighten up...I'd challenge you on the use of that word 'stupid'. More bigotry?
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