Discriminating against women, atheists, and those of ill-repute automatically fosters ignorance and a belief in superiority. If the group was
so fixated on moral growth, atheism, sex, and even reputation would be non-factors...
First, we don't discriminate against women. Secondly, we restrict atheists because Masons believe in a Supreme Being, which goes completely against
the belief system of atheists. We want men of good character so as to not defame the fraternity. This is all quite simple and straightforward.
We are not "fixated" on anything. It's a fraternity - Designed for men of good will to voluntarily associate for fraternal, philanthropic, and
When was eastern star formed, huh?
1850. Is over 150 years long enough for you?
As to why the organizations are separate, I would only suggest that this has been done historically to minimize friction and increase the cohesiveness
of the group. Men of like minds associate in the Lodge, and women of like minds associate in the Easter Star.
This is no different than countless other groups, fraternities, religions, political groups, etc. that associate based on their own mutual interests.
Your avoiding the point...you said masonry was not a religion, yet you have belief requirements. Furthermore, the masonry claims to build moral
character, yet subtly discriminates against those of a different belief system...
Since when are fraternities restricted from imposing entrance requirements of prospective members? How else would you go about setting requirements
for membership if not based on a particular set of beliefs? (Not to be rude, but who are you to be the ultimate judge and decider as to which set of
beliefs Masonry should follow?)
The "belief requirements" are pretty straightforward. A man has to believe in a Supreme Being - regardless of one's religious affiliation.
That's it. We're not talking about a long list of "belief requirements" as you put it.
If I want to gain entrance to the Masonry, I have to meet certain criteria. If I don't meet the requirements, then I don't gain entrance. Very
simple. This is no different from the countless colleges, professional associations, and virtually any other membership organization.
If others disagree with a particular belief system, they are perfectly welcome to form associations with others of like mind.
Masonry does build character - Both in the degree work, and in the association with other men of good will. You may disagree, but you provide no
evidence to the contrary. My evidence is in the written degrees themselves, where Masons are strongly encouraged to live their lives in a moral,
Masonry is not a religion. It is, however, a fraternity, and has all the markings of a fraternity: meetings, initiations, charitable work, etc.
In that case, why not just join or create a fraternity that allows access to all?
Because we do not want to defame the fraternity with men of ill will, poor moral character, or criminal tendencies.
Sounds like a template for ladder-climbing and clique based socialisation...
No, it's just the natural progression of how the fraternity gains new members. We don't solicit. We gain membership via word of mouth. This is no
different than countless other organizations - churches, for instance. How many kids join the religion of their parents? Most.
Inviting members to expand their morality and then putting restrictions on what defines 'morals' is deceptive imo...actually, I suppose it isn't
deceptive...self-deceptive is the more appropriate term for it.
We don't invite people to join Masonry. Solicitation is not permitted, nor is it encouraged. People have to want to join. They know the
requirements from the onset - There is no "bait and switch". They would never get initiated if they disagreed with the entrance requirements in the
And the Masonic investigation committee that interviews the candidate BEFORE initiation makes absolutely sure that the applicant for Masonry is in
alignment with the requirements - They actually send 3 Masons out to the applicant's house to interview the candidate to make sure that he is joining
of his own free will and accord, etc.