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And a late Happy Hanukah to those of you who celebrate Hanukah.



Ok, and now back to our regularly scheduled programming....

I enjoyed the video embeded above. It exposes "argument by propaganda" for what it is, a propaganda technique that has nothing to do with the search for truth. The video was made by a 9/11 truther who lumps so-called nutcases like Judy Wood in as useful, though unwitting, tools of an administration intent on obfuscating the truth of 9/11 with preposterous theories.

Her theory and other fringe theories should, according to the film maker, be avoided by 9/11 truthers, who should just stick to things that they have hard facts to back up, if the 9/11 truth movement is to progress.

I think that is true out in the world of politics, where the truth movement should be in high gear.

However, the 9/11 conspiracy forum on ATS is not a branch of the truth movement.

People should be free here to discuss any kooky theory they want to talk about. In doing so they may decide that the theory is not so kooky after all or, on the other hand, that the theory is not worth their time.

Originally posted by anti72

Originally posted by nikiano

There are transcripts of eye witnesses stating that people around the base of the WTC just dissappared right into thin air right in front of other people's eyes, in a wave of energy. Other people told how they saw planes instantly disappearing into puffs of fire that were flying nearby.
[edit on 23-12-2008 by SkepticOverlord]

can you please post all information about that witnsses ?

I know the site of Judy Wood, very interesting. but I´m not sure if thats a disinfo site.

greetz

Sorry about that....I addressed this issue on page 1 or 2 of this thread, and I posted the transcript from the fireman who gave his eye witness account.

When I re-read the transcript of his account, I'm thinking that maybe I misinterpreted what he meant by disappearance. He said that a wave came towards them and they disappeared. But when I re-read it again, I'm wondering if he meant a wave of black dust?? Go ahead and read it yourself, and tell me what you think.

This is what I get from his testimony he saw a huge amount darkness....then he saw a wave come towards people in front of him...then he said the people just disappeared. (In a wave of dust, or just in a "wave"?) Then he said that he was blown back 30-40 in feet in the air, landed on his back and everything was quiet.

Was the wave just dust? Was it something else? Could that be evidence of an energy weapon? Could a thermite explosion do that, and have him still survive? Honestly, I have no idea. I'm not a weapons expert.

But if it was just a fire from the planes that collapsed the building under it's own weight, I don't think that would cause an explosion that would throw him back 30-40 feet in the air. It would have just crushed him.

Originally posted by mike dangerously
An interesting theory,this whole war on terror and subsequent economic meltdown as a means of blackmail would make a lot of sense if it were not for the fact that the PNAC had talked about their new pearl harbor.Here is another idea what if the Neo-cons used this death ray on the Pentagon?

I actually had not even thought of the Pentagon. But it is interesting that everyone says that there was no way an aluminum plane could not have created the hole that went through the pentagon. And nothing was ever caught on tape going in....yet a hole was clearly burned into the pentagon walls.

Hmmmm....good theory.

What are the pentagon walls made of?? Anyone?

[edit on 24-12-2008 by nikiano]

Oh, and I just thought of something else....

Ok, so you know how in all the ransom movies, there are some things in common with each ransom demand, such as:

1. The money amount is so high to be impossible, but not quite impossible.
2. They are forced to come up with the money in a very short amount of time.
3. They are told to not call the cops, or else.

Ok, so I hadn't thought of the third aspect... isn't giving away 1.2 trillion dollars WITHOUT ANY OVERSIGHT OR GOVERNMENT REGULATION something akin to "not calling the cops"?? Government regulators are kind of like cops, right???

Plus, any oversight would bring in a lot more people....more people that could find out what was really going on with the bailout.

In the movies, you always hear the ransomers say "Tell no one, or the girl gets it." or "You warn the cops, and I'll blow up the amusement park."

What if the ransomers (if there are, indeed, ransomers) has told everybody involved "If you whisper any of this to the general population, we'll blow up an entire city, or something like that.

Plus, when the press asks the banks "Where did the money go?" The bankers say "Sorry, but I can't tell you. We cannot disclose that information." Absurd!

But...what if they're giving that excuse NOT because they are corrupt and greedy, but rather because the government told the bank presidents that they cannot tell anyone where the money went, because if they do....something terrible will happen to another city.

You know, everyone assumes that all bankers and that all government officials are just all greedy and corrupt. Well, I know that they can't ALL be corrupt and greedy. What if they're trying to save us from some terrible fate, and they can't say anything or "Dr. Evil" (for lack of a better name) pushes the button, and.... BOOM?

Ok, so it's another "what if", I admit. But....it could be possible.




[edit on 25-12-2008 by nikiano]

[edit on 25-12-2008 by nikiano]

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Ok, I just thought of two more ransom scenarios:

The first hypotheis is this: The bailout ransom has nothing to do with 9/11, and it is a ransom being paid to economic terrorists. Computer hackers have figured out how to crash the stock market, and they are demanding that we give them all our money as ransom, or they'll cause a world-wide depression.

Also:

1. only the people at the VERY top know about it? (The president, vice president, and treasury secretary, Paulson.)

2. The computer hackers know how to bring down the stock market by hacking into the stock market

3. The web bot program (which I follow) said something interesting: they said the "events of the weeks of sept 22-29, would be a WARNING of what was to come on Oct. 7th."

Well, Sept 22-29 was a week when all the big investment firms and AIG, etc... started to fall, one by one. What if the economic terrorists told Bush/Cheney/Paulson that those were just warnings, and that something big was going to happen on Oct 7th.

4. When Oct 7th did happen, the market dropped big time as predicted. And almost every day, the market kept dropping. Huge points every day. What if the mini-stock market crash in October was a demonstration.... they showed them that they could drop the market over 500 points in 1 day, 3 or 4 times in October

5. Right after that was when the bailout package was proposed to Congress. That's when suddenly Paulson came up with his famous "3 page bailout bill" out of the blue. What if that was when the ransom was demanded??

6. What if Paulson knew he had to get Congress to pass it, but was told to tell no-one, or they crash the market. So, what if he just told Congress that if they didn't pass the bailout package, we would sink into an economic depression worse than the greatest depression. Congress, always being worried about their next vote, did whatever they had to to avoid a depression.

But Paulson was warned to keep the government regulators out of it (don't tell the cops), so that's why he demanded there be no government oversight.

7. What if he was instructed to give every bank money (even the ones who didn't want it. If these computer hackers were good enough to crash the market, they would be good enough to be able to track all the money that was flooded into the economic system, and gather it themselves.


So, if we take 9/11 out of it entirely....it just leaves economic terrorists threatening to completely crash the world econonomy, unless we flood the market with money....and they scoop it up without anyone noticing.


The second hypothesis....well it is so wild and crazy, I am afraid to post it here. I'm sure I would get yelled at by everyone, because it brings in a different conspiracy theory altogether. And I really don't feel like getting yelled at again, so I'll just keep that one to myself and just put it in my little conspiracy theory notebook where nobody else can see it. LOL!





[edit on 25-12-2008 by nikiano]

It becomes more apparent as the years go by that those who believe the US was complicit in the destruction of the WTC are narrowing their search for proof to details of the recorded footage and accounts of the buildings' destruction.

Why aren't those seeking the 'real truth' out there tracking down the thousands and getting testimony from the thousands of Americans who were involved in planting thermite, faking reports, fighting fires, placing phony news reports, knocking down street lamps near the Pentagon, planting phony evidence, etc, etc.

There are serious indpendent researchers who did do this, and their documentation is an appendix official record, which overwhelmingly deonstrates the buildings collapsed as a result of airplanes that were flown into two towers.

Googling conspiracy sites, watching Youtube videos, ordering revelatory DVDs, listening to talk shows, etc - beats doing homework.

We're still waiting for the documented and annotated 'unofficial' report from those thousands of people concered with getting to the bottom of this.


Mike F

This whole DEW thing is getting so silly.

I'm waiting for someone to start bringing up the whole hologram garbage again.

I think it's really important to stop passing along ignorance here. I'm not calling people stupid, I'm saying that if you understand what DEW's were and how they work, we wouldn't be discussing them here. I encourage people to stop posting and start researching the various DEW tech and you'll start to see how they simply don't imply in this case.

Look, I know we all still have questions as to what happened on 9/11 and would like answers but lets not make up answers, lets find the real answers.